Pogba

captaincantona said:
No he made an analogy about dating someone...made no reference to our other choices...that’s you stretching cause you leapt to the defence of your favourite player without actually trying to engage with the point he was making. In general, you might prefer a consistent 7/10 player than one who gives you a mix of 8 and 9s alongside 4 and 5s. Not a controversial statement at all really.
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Well no because he replied directly to my response to this....

When you see him play like when he came on against Brighton, you think we should do everything to keep him. The problem is that’s not what you are getting for your 500k a week and that’s why you have Fred and Scott. You can be in a relationship that the sex is brilliant but only get it on your birthday rather than with someone that it is average but at least it’s regular….your choice.
 
Hugh Jass said:
What has my wage got to do with it??? I am simply asking what is he actually getting into his bank account given he is on 500k a week and when you include bonuses and club sponorships?
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The point is nobody except you and maybe your partner, your manager & HR know how much you earn right?
Why would the principle be any different for footballers? We can give an estimation of how much they earn *if* they hit bonuses & fulfil their sponsorship duties - but nobody other than them, their lawyers, our lawyers & HR are likely to know the intimate details of their contract, including what those bonuses are.

The media however, are able to say "footballer x earns up to £250k weekly" in the same way, you put "allegedly" when talking about a potential crime.
Fans however take that 250k figure literally and assume they are earning their max potential earnings on a weekly basis, when the reality is often no where close to it.
Not that they don't earn an obscene money anyway, but the sensationalism around their salaries sells more papers & generates more clicks.
 
Eli Zee said:
I strictly spoke about Pogba and didn't mention any other players specifically. Please stop arguing for the sake of it
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I’m not....you decided to reply to my comment on this post for some reason?

When you see him play like when he came on against Brighton, you think we should do everything to keep him. The problem is that’s not what you are getting for your 500k a week and that’s why you have Fred and Scott. You can be in a relationship that the sex is brilliant but only get it on your birthday rather than with someone that it is average but at least it’s regular….your choice.

Don’t get involved in my posts for no reason if you’ve nothing relational to add. My reply to the initial poster was in reference to Pogba in comparison to other players in his position. If you just want to criticise Pogba then do that but don’t bother replying to my post.
 
Jeppers7 said:
I’m not....you decided to reply to my comment on this post for some reason?

When you see him play like when he came on against Brighton, you think we should do everything to keep him. The problem is that’s not what you are getting for your 500k a week and that’s why you have Fred and Scott. You can be in a relationship that the sex is brilliant but only get it on your birthday rather than with someone that it is average but at least it’s regular….your choice.

Don’t get involved in my posts for no reason if you’ve nothing relational to add. My reply to the initial poster was in reference to Pogba in comparison to other players in his position. If you just want to criticise Pogba then do that but don’t bother replying to my post.
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You sound fun at parties and also you're on a forum, people will reply to comments.
My reply to you was in reference to you saying that was a shit analogy to someone else. I then said:
"A better analogy is probably would you rather date someone who is well rounded in life or someone who only does some really awesome things but you have to pick up the slack for their shortcomings
That being said, I like Pogba. I hope he stays as long as he's willing to put in 100% effort every game he plays. I don't get pissed because he's not Kante-esque... but I do get annoyed if he (or other players) are lackadaisical in defense."

stop being a cnut
 
Still half expect to hear the news that he's signed a new 5 year deal, and then the press will be falling over themselves to claim it's 750k a week.
 
Jeppers7 said:
As if Pogba is only good once a year and non existent in comparison to our other players every other game. Shite analogy.
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Again its an analogy not a fact, do honestly think I meant literally once a year? Some fecking people….
 
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Rolaholic said:
Mountain out of a molehill because it's Pogba

He regularly makes one of those generic training posts every few weeks



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Shouldn't take a genius to work out that he was not saying he's leaving. Just shows how quick people are to paint any action of his as a negative.
 
Apokalips said:
Shouldn't take a genius to work out that he was not saying he's leaving. Just shows how quick people are to paint any action of his as a negative.
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People complain about the players and their social media activities when the players themselves are not directly involved in these. It is just marketing. People pay attention to these and react, just to have a spell of outrage. Meanwhile, the players make more money on their image rights. The players probably are grateful.
 
to potentially lose a talented player like Pogba on a freebie once is bad but twice is unforgivable.

United need to get their next manager sorted so we can lock down Pogba and hopefully finally find the DM which will allow us to release him and Bruno freely.
 
Red Shorts said:
Don't bother arguing with @Jeppers7 , the double standards is embarrassing. Especially when I mentioned another player in this thread and said it was "the wrong thread" to do so.
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You wanted to make an entire argument about my thoughts on Cavani for some reason, which would derail the entire thread. You wrote an entire post about Cavani almost, It was completely non relational to anything being discussed and I felt this thread (or the Pogba performance thread) would’ve ended up the Cavani thread. So I declined to get involved and stuck to the debate around Pogba.

The difference here is that the analogy referenced Pogba in relation to McFred…the other poster chose to get involved but wanted to only criticise Pogba and ignore the fact that the analogy in relation to Pogba’s regularity of performance and also relational to McFred didn’t work….which was my point.

One was a non relational post wanting, weirdly, to change the debate to a different player. The other wanted to focus on the analogy in full, not pull one part of it out and change the context.

I seem to have collected a small bunch of Cavani fan followers trawling me around from thread to thread.
 
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El__Jingo said:
to potentially lose a talented player like Pogba on a freebie once is bad but twice is unforgivable.

United need to get their next manager sorted so we can lock down Pogba and hopefully finally find the DM which will allow us to release him and Bruno freely.
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Club has very little space for maneuver though. It's not like Pogba wasn't offered a deal in the last few years, he just doesn't want to sign.
Unless you think giving him galactico wages is a good idea, there's not much the club can do. Having o high profile manager might help, although I doubt this will be the deciding factor.
 
A better analogy would be that it’s like having a hot girlfriend who’s great in bed, that your family don’t treat very well and then you wonder at times why she seems a little non committal. The relationship overall has been good but your family prefer the other option who’s ugly as sin, shite in bed, has bad breath and limited personality but she’s a grafter. Not a particularly skilled one, an extremely flawed one and so the benefits of the graft don’t particularly exists……..but she’s a grafter. Eventually the hot girlfriend decides that it’s in her best interests to leave the toxic environment and you’re left with an ugly as sin, shite in bed, grafter and your family are overjoyed.
 
Jeppers7 said:
A better analogy would be that it’s like having a hot girlfriend who’s great in bed, that your family don’t treat very well and then you wonder at times why she seems a little non committal. The relationship overall has been good but your family prefer the other option who’s ugly as sin, shite in bed, has bad breath and limited personality but she’s a grafter. Not a particularly skilled one, an extremely flawed one and so the benefits of the graft don’t particularly exists……..but she’s a grafter. Eventually the hot girlfriend decides that it’s in her best interests to leave the toxic environment and you’re left with an ugly as sin, shite in bed, grafter and your family are overjoyed.
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Come on man!!!

Why are you attacking ugly girlfriends?
 
How fickle are some of you lot? Jesus Christ...

Au revoir Paul, you gave us some good games and a shitload of drama.
 
Absolutely legendary twitter post, I will be sad for us the day he leaves but happy for him so that he hopefully can find a club and fans that appreciate him.
 
Jeppers7 said:
A better analogy would be that it’s like having a hot girlfriend who’s great in bed, that your family don’t treat very well and then you wonder at times why she seems a little non committal. The relationship overall has been good but your family prefer the other option who’s ugly as sin, shite in bed, has bad breath and limited personality but she’s a grafter. Not a particularly skilled one, an extremely flawed one and so the benefits of the graft don’t particularly exists……..but she’s a grafter. Eventually the hot girlfriend decides that it’s in her best interests to leave the toxic environment and you’re left with an ugly as sin, shite in bed, grafter and your family are overjoyed.
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You’re analogy is shite and predictably ignores his non-committal attitude from the outset, his agent making mischief and him doing nothing to stop it or correct it, his own shit stirring every international break etc etc. Doesn’t sound like the girl you’re describing there at all.

The fact you portray him as some type of unappreciated loyal genius is just more evidence of the pointlessness of trying to engage on the topic of Pogba‘S actual pros and cons when your Instagram fan approach to him is anywhere near the thread.

Excellent footballer on his day...Also a fuking wind up merchant who isn’t worth the hassle. Good luck to him.
 
captaincantona said:
You’re analogy is shite and predictably ignores his non-committal attitude from the outset, his agent making mischief and him doing nothing to stop it or correct it, his own shit stirring every international break etc etc. Doesn’t sound like the girl you’re describing there at all.

The fact you portray him as some type of unappreciated loyal genius is just more evidence of the pointlessness of trying to engage on the topic of Pogba‘S actual pros and cons when your Instagram fan approach to him is anywhere near the thread.

Excellent footballer on his day...Also a fuking wind up merchant who isn’t worth the hassle. Good luck to him.
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It’s spoken like someone that truly hasn’t had a girlfriend in their life either..
 
Jeppers7 said:
You wanted to make an entire argument about my thoughts on Cavani for some reason, which would derail the entire thread. You wrote an entire post about Cavani almost, It was completely non relational to anything being discussed and I felt this thread (or the Pogba performance thread) would’ve ended up the Cavani thread. So I declined to get involved and stuck to the debate around Pogba.


The difference here is that the analogy referenced Pogba in relation to McFred…the other poster chose to get involved but wanted to only criticise Pogba and ignore the fact that the analogy in relation to Pogba’s regularity of performance and also relational to McFred didn’t work….which was my point.

One was a non relational post wanting, weirdly, to change the debate to a different player. The other wanted to focus on the analogy in full, not pull one part of it out and change the context.

I seem to have collected a small bunch of Cavani fan followers trawling me around from thread to thread.
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1) I didn't make it an entire question about Cavani, it was merely referencing you picking and choosing a timescale that suits your argument.

You think Pogba has been the most consistent over the past 12 months, yet he hasn't. He's had quite a few amazing games, I totally agree, but to say he has been "consistent" is well off the mark, and it is what some posters have been alluding to here.

2) the poster you are referring to @Eli Zee never named any players in particular, you just made that comparison for yourself.
 
El__Jingo said:
to potentially lose a talented player like Pogba on a freebie once is bad but twice is unforgivable.

United need to get their next manager sorted so we can lock down Pogba and hopefully finally find the DM which will allow us to release him and Bruno freely.
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I take your point but I would also say that it looks as though this is increasingly the way that the game is going. Players will run their contracts down more and more for a huge payday. We're seeing it with Mbappe and Haaland and it'll become more and more the norm. Clubs need to start looking at transfer fees and wages as loaning that player for the number of years agreed, and thinking less about sell on value etc.

Zlatan Ibrahomovic said:
Absolutely legendary twitter post, I will be sad for us the day he leaves but happy for him so that he hopefully can find a club and fans that appreciate him.
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Deary me...some of our support...
 
Red Shorts said:
1) I didn't make it an entire question about Cavani, it was merely referencing you picking and choosing a timescale that suits your argument.

You think Pogba has been the most consistent over the past 12 months, yet he hasn't. He's had quite a few amazing games, I totally agree, but to say he has been "consistent" is well off the mark, and it is what some posters have been alluding to here.

2) the poster you are referring to @Eli Zee never named any players in particular, you just made that comparison for yourself.
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The poster replied to my post which was specifically in response to a direct comparison. It’s not hard to understand.

You’re desperate to go into a Cavani/Pogba debate
 
captaincantona said:
You’re analogy is shite and predictably ignores his non-committal attitude from the outset, his agent making mischief and him doing nothing to stop it or correct it, his own shit stirring every international break etc etc. Doesn’t sound like the girl you’re describing there at all.

The fact you portray him as some type of unappreciated loyal genius is just more evidence of the pointlessness of trying to engage on the topic of Pogba‘S actual pros and cons when your Instagram fan approach to him is anywhere near the thread.

Excellent footballer on his day...Also a fuking wind up merchant who isn’t worth the hassle. Good luck to him.
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It was meant to be shite. The irony is lost on you. Me portraying Pogba as a loyal genius is the other side of the coin really to someone suggesting he plays well roughly once a year and players such as McFred offer more consistent performance.
 
Jeppers7 said:
It was meant to be shite. The irony is lost on you. Me portraying Pogba as a loyal genius is the other side of the coin really to someone suggesting he plays well roughly once a year and players such as McFred offer more consistent performance.
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Fred has been more consistent than Pogba, by some distance actually, simply by the virtue that he’s nearly always been available to play and always gives it everything. Pogba comes in plays really well, plays ok or bad, gets injured and the cycle starts again. That’s the opposite of consistency. I’m not saying Fred is a better player than Pogba. Not even close but one is clearly more reliable and consistent than the other. Pogba can be a match winner and a game changer. Fred is a grafter. Squads need both. The point is high earners who don’t play enough are going to be scrutinised but even our low earner squad players get held to unrealistic standards. Our fans are bonkers.
 
The girlfriend analogy for me would be more like really hot girl who everyone fancies. Seems like it could have been love but just when things start to get interesting or you hit tough times she disappears and then comes back again and the cycle continues. She flirts with other hot guys in front of you all the time but you ignore it because you want it to work. you know you’re fighting a losing battle but you hold on just in case.

Fred then is reliable, not as hot but is always there for you supporting your dreams and shit :lol: Determined and there for you when the chips are down.

Hotness without personality or good intentions, like technical ability without work rate, will only get you so far.

I’ve reached peak rawk. Apologies
 
Maybe this conversation could be had without objectifying women as hypothetical arguments though.
 
Paul Pogba has spent 2 full seasons of games sidelined with injury in the 5 he has been here. He is entering a age where injuries will become more common due to natural wear and tear.

Do you pay record wages for that?

If no: Then he cant be re-signed.
If yes: I`d like to see you in my office.
 
Ali Dia said:
Fred has been more consistent than Pogba, by some distance actually, simply by the virtue that he’s nearly always been available to play and always gives it everything. Pogba comes in plays really well, plays ok or bad, gets injured and the cycle starts again. That’s the opposite of consistency. I’m not saying Fred is a better player than Pogba. Not even close but one is clearly more reliable and consistent than the other. Pogba can be a match winner and a game changer. Fred is a grafter. Squads need both. The point is high earners who don’t play enough are going to be scrutinised but even our low earner squad players get held to unrealistic standards. Our fans are bonkers.
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:lol: :lol: If you’re talking about consistently mediocre. The only thing that ever shocks anyone with Fred is when he has a great game. He’s been more available and you prefer his style of play. Pogba has regularly played better.
 
Ali Dia said:
Fred has been more consistent than Pogba, by some distance actually, simply by the virtue that he’s nearly always been available to play and always gives it everything
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Consistently mediocre maybe. Being a body on the field that’s always there isn’t that precious if you’re churning out bang average performances at best.
 
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