Players that keep chatting to the press - Not Happy Playing for United - Howson Rant

Bennie Blanco said:
All these players you've mentioned.. Not good enough. None of them.

I would have kept Romero as second choice mind.
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Herrera has been a 1st team regular for psg since joining them and is better than matic, fred, mctominay and there is a debate that he would be more useful than pogba who has been injured a lot over the past couple of seasons.

And again is telles some great upgrade on Rojo who at least had some versatility of being able to both as centre back and left back and his character could never be questioned.

For the money spent is maguire or lindelof a great upgrade on smalling who's character could never be questioned.

Fellaini would have been of more use than mata and his replacement has not been any upgrade in van der beek who was wasted 40 million on and wants away from the club, where as fellaini was willing to fight for a place in the side and his character was never in question and had his uses when we need a plan b from the bench.

The whole point in this thread is fans have been questioning the character and mentality of our current team and players demanding a move away from the club because they ain't a first team starter but the characteristics and mentality of the players that I mentioned that were moved on by ole never had these issues and acted professional about spells being used as squad players
 
Lee565 said:
Fellaini would have been of more use than mata and his replacement has not been any upgrade in van der beek who was wasted 40 million on and wants away from the club, where as fellaini was willing to fight for a place in the side and his character was never in question and had his uses when we need a plan b from the bench.

The whole point in this thread is fans have been questioning the character and mentality of our current team and players demanding a move away from the club because they ain't a first team starter but the characteristics and mentality of the players that I mentioned that were moved on by ole never had these issues and acted professional about spells being used as squad players
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id take Fellaini over McTomminay anyday
 
Random Task said:
And AWB while we're at it.

Accusing Stephen Howson of prejudice is frankly a non starter.
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I find that very funny because he was one of those people trying to accuse Souness of prejudice because of his irrational dislike of Pogba, even though there's documented evidence of him wanting to punch racist players from way before people like Howson were even born.
 
The Mitcher said:
I find that very funny because he was one of those people trying to accuse Souness of prejudice because of his irrational dislike of Pogba, even though there's documented evidence of him wanting to punch racist players from way before people like Howson were even born.
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To be fair, it wasn't the most unexplainable assumption to make if you don't know the man because you're not in your late 50's as it's very strange to dislike someone as much as Souness dislikes Pogba without even knowing him (and Pogba definitely doesn't know him, which probably only made it worse for Souness).
 
I didn't watch the video, but is this the start of Arsenal TV for United then? When the comedy surrounding the club becomes bigger than the actual games itself.

Tbf, we've been on the headlines for all the wrong reasons since a long time. Half of these players haven't even lifted a major trophy.
 
So here's the problem I have with simply blaming all the players.

We knew before this season that we needed to sign a midfielder. We've known for many years that Matic cannot play in a midfield two. Liverpool, Chelsea and City have much better midfielders than us, and yet play 3 players in midfield, not 2. We have kept trying for years to get away with not only having a player less, but using players who are less suitable. We are also woefully short in terms of squad numbers in this position. We have Matic who is of very limited mobility, Pogba who its been obvious for ages wants to leave, and that leaves only two other players to play in an area of the pitch where ideally you'd need 3 players in EACH game.

Not only did we make no attempt, again, to address this, but we have carried on doing things like picking Matic in a two man midfield, even when there is the option not to do this with the players available. This is appalling squad management. Its gone beyond incompetence. Its contributed quite significantly to Ole losing his job...and Rangnick has come in and has started doing EXACTLY the same thing. It doesn't matter that he is new. It is obviously very poor squad management.

Then we have defence where Maguire gets picked despite not being fit, costs the team 4 goals in one game, for some reason still gets picked, costs the team 5 goals in one game, for some reason still gets picked, and so on.

Players who can't get a game are watching other players be picked to do jobs that everyone (including every opposition we play) knows they can't do. Players who are getting picked are getting put into systems and situations where they are constantly having to try and over compensate for poor tactics or unsuitable team selections, or do jobs that they physically or technically can't.

If you can't figure out how to use your tools properly you can't blame the tools for not working. Poor attitude and perofrmances form players is almost invariably a byproduct of them not being managed properly and there's rarely been a case of this being more obvious than it is currently with United.

If you've got one or two players causing problems then you deal with them. If you've got a wraft of players who want to leave but who haven't been allowed to for some reason and haven't been replaced either, and other players being misused, and over half a squad of players unhappy, then not only can you not simply blame this on the players, but actually its pretty fecking obvious what they are unhappy about. You can tell them to feck off but literally about a quarter of them want to and the club simply hasn't let them.

That's not to say I live all the players. There's very few footballers I like...but that will be the same whoever we sell or sign. If you manage them well and they are succesful they're all great lads and happy as anything. If you mismanage and the results are bad then there will be moaning and rifts because no one likes to fail.
 
Sayros said:
To be fair, it wasn't the most unexplainable assumption to make if you don't know the man because you're not in your late 50's as it's very strange to dislike someone as much as Souness dislikes Pogba without even knowing him (and Pogba definitely doesn't know him, which probably only made it worse for Souness).
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So? We all hate Gerrard here, but we don't know him. A lot of us, like myself, are not white. Are we racist for hating Gerrard? It's not just an "unexplainable reason" it's slander.
 
POF said:
The fact is, we have no idea why Lingard stayed at the club. They managed comfortably without him in the second half of last season and added Sancho, so his chances of getting a run of games this season were extremely low.

Selling him last summer was an absolute no brainer. It was an extremely rare occurrence of a successful United loan and his value was never going to be higher.

The stories were that West Ham wanted him but he didn't want to go there. There were also rumours that West Ham didn't want to pay United's asking price. United will now not get a fee and Jesse will pick up a nice little signing on fee wherever he goes next summer.

My guess is that United wanted to sell him but couldn't get him to move anywhere that would pay the asking price. That's based on nothing other than the fact that it seems far more likely than Ole deciding he wanted to keep him and then never picking him.

Ole is a club man. He will defend the club position to the hilt, even if it paints him in a bad light. He's not likely to say "I wanted rid of Jesse for years and even now he's had a great loan spell, those idiots still can't sell him on".

But if Ole really did decide he wanted to keep him and convinced Jesse to stay, then it was certainly a mistake on his behalf.

On Phil Jones, if he's not on an appearance based contract then whoever signed off on that should have been sacked long ago. Of course Ole doesn't get involved in deciding player contracts. Fergie wasn't even involved in that by the end of his tenure.

Mata, I think Ole really wanted him to stay around. He was one of the few senior pros who seems like a really good influence on the dressing room. Based on the latest media storms, the club needs as many of those as they can get.
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Yeah good points and your right we probably will never will know all the things that have unless Ole or Woodward released an autobiography!

Agree with your point on Mata and am also happy he’s here. We just have so many average players in relation to their salary’s.

The only thing we know for certain is the club are terrible at selling players. Let’s hope they are prepared to accept some of their mistakes and let the players who aren’t good enough for us leave.
 
wolvored said:
Thats why this Utd DNA fecks this club up. We need the new manager to come in with a new broom and sweep all the bollocks away. Tell Fletcher to go and sit in the stand on matchday and away from training. Tell Phelan heres a one way ticket back to Australia. Bye. Fergie came in and got rid of the bad apples, and that was only a drinking culture. His way not the Utd DNA way at the time.
Ten Hag, Pocc whoever it is need to stamp their way and stand for no nonsense. They will probably get a shit load of money and with the upper management changing as well, they need to draw a line under all this and start afresh. If 6-7 players have to leave, let them. Get 3-4 new recruits in and build the team around them.
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What's the issue with Fletcher? Is there any indication that he is doing something wrong? With Carrick decising to leave, does it not stand to reason that RR is looking for someone with some knowledge of the club and respected by the squad to be around? Im not entirely sure what concrete evidence any of these accusations are based on. Let the process run its course....
 
The Mitcher said:
I find that very funny because he was one of those people trying to accuse Souness of prejudice because of his irrational dislike of Pogba, even though there's documented evidence of him wanting to punch racist players from way before people like Howson were even born.
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I don't know about the Souness stuff, but I struggle to believe the likes of Stephen Howson is prejudiced. He seems too much of a straight shooter for all that nonsense. I don't know the guy from Adam, admittedly, but he always struck me as the type you get chatting to in the pub one night and all he wants to talk about is football. United this, United that, blah, blah to literally anyone who'll listen.

Eventually enough time passes that you realise his lips haven't stopped moving for 15 minutes straight, meanwhile you've drifted off into your own little world, asking yourself if you're drunk and brave enough to talk to the pretty lass (or guy if that's your thing) standing outside with the smokers - what's more to the point is she? You need to escape one way or another so you plan your exit strategy.

Yeah, I completely agree, Fred the Red should have retired a long time ago. Anyway, it's been great talking to you Stephen. You're a knowledgeable guy. But I have to get going because I have to be, like, anywhere else.
 
SAred said:


Could not agree more - Players are controlling the club.
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i think the vast majority of what he said, is exactly how most man united fans feel. We'd beg, borrow, steal, kill to wear that red kit onto the Old Trafford Pitch and play in front of 75K supporters week in and week out. Fuk off if you don't want to put in a shift that requires you to run 7-8 miles in a match. That's what you get paid to do so you can leave in your 250k Rolls Royce, Bentley or whatever fuking high priced car you bring to the lot.

These spoiled cvnts need to get the fuk out of our club full stop....put in the young lads as you know they'll run their fuking socks off. That's what fuking arteta did after his veterans put him in the relegation zone to start the season with a bunch of shitty performances.
 
Ixion said:
He also threw new contracts at some old boys as soon as he got here, and has been doing it ever since. None of the players he sold I would say were bold moves and youth development hit a brick wall. He didn't really follow through with what he said initially.
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Ole did not throw a new contract at anyone, never happened, never would. Ole has quite a list of failings but he was never anywhere near contract discussions and the blame for nay you don't like falls squarely on Ed.
 
Nothing will change until Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Maguire and Degea are shown the door
 
bosskeano said:
i think the vast majority of what he said, is exactly how most man united fans feel. We'd beg, borrow, steal, kill to wear that red kit onto the Old Trafford Pitch and play in front of 75K supporters week in and week out. Fuk off if you don't want to put in a shift that requires you to run 7-8 miles in a match. That's what you get paid to do so you can leave in your 250k Rolls Royce, Bentley or whatever fuking high priced car you bring to the lot.

These spoiled cvnts need to get the fuk out of our club full stop....put in the young lads as you know they'll run their fuking socks off. That's what fuking arteta did after his veterans put him in the relegation zone to start the season with a bunch of shitty performances.
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That is the most painful thing I have read on here in a while because every word is true. No idea if Arsenal will maintain this form but it does make you wonder why our kids cannot get into the team when by all accounts we have the best crop of youngsters at the club that we have had for many years. I certainly believe Hannibal would thrive in the first team and the same is probably true of Laird who is an actual attacking right back who can cross and defend.
 
crossy1686 said:
Even Sir Alex wouldn't do that in this day and age, you would be completely alienating a section of the dressing room because you wanted to show who was in charge. Imagine getting a fine because someone in your area spoke to someone else in your area? It might not even be someone in the area, a player could have gone to a friends house and stopped by on the way home. It's not fecking hard to work out who the mole is instead of docking everyone.
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You could also always just start shooting people in the head one by one until someone talks! That will teach them to not have articles written about them by the tabloids!

KingCavani said:
What a garbage comment, especially given how frequently Howson opens up about his mental health struggles. He's pretty much the antithesis of toxic masculinity in that regard.

Are you going to refute anything he said?
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Couldn't care less about his personal life apart from generally wishing him all the best, but this kind of tough guy posturing of how he, iF he wEre mAnaGer, would stand in front of players like Cristiano Ronaldo and tell them how it's "my way or the highway" is what's laughable. It's the kind of fantasy scenario that goes well together with your thumb in your mouth.
 
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hescoresgoals1899 said:
What's the issue with Fletcher? Is there any indication that he is doing something wrong? With Carrick decising to leave, does it not stand to reason that RR is looking for someone with some knowledge of the club and respected by the squad to be around? Im not entirely sure what concrete evidence any of these accusations are based on. Let the process run its course....
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Fletcher is one of the jobs for the boys problem. Hes now coaching with no experience of doing it anywhere. Cant you see that? Thats why I said this 'Utd DNA' bollocks needs chucking out of any training/coaching/picking the side etc.
 
Gandalf said:
Ole did not throw a new contract at anyone, never happened, never would. Ole has quite a list of failings but he was never anywhere near contract discussions and the blame for nay you don't like falls squarely on Ed.
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How do you know that? I cant believe a manager wouldnt have a say. Ole even said the buck stops with me on transfers and renewels himself.
 
wolvored said:
How do you know that? I cant believe a manager wouldnt have a say. Ole even said the buck stops with me on transfers and renewels himself.
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Manchester United managers even back to the latter days of SAF have not been involved in contract negotiations. Ole would have been consulted once he was the permanent manager but he would be one opinion of several within the football committee and Ed had the ultimate veto as we well know. Specifically the Phil Jones contract is one that gets pinned on Ole and yet the club began negotiations under Jose and Ole was interim when it was agreed. Beyond Phil Jones which old boys did Ole "throw contracts at as soon as he got here" to quote the post I was responding to? It is a nonsense fiction that kept being thrown around by the Ole out brigade when there were plenty of factual reasons to replace him as manager. Internet clowns are going to clown though, it is what they do.
 
Gandalf said:
Manchester United managers even back to the latter days of SAF have not been involved in contract negotiations. Ole would have been consulted once he was the permanent manager but he would be one opinion of several within the football committee and Ed had the ultimate veto as we well know. Specifically the Phil Jones contract is one that gets pinned on Ole and yet the club began negotiations under Jose and Ole was interim when it was agreed. Beyond Phil Jones which old boys did Ole "throw contracts at as soon as he got here" to quote the post I was responding to? It is a nonsense fiction that kept being thrown around by the Ole out brigade when there were plenty of factual reasons to replace him as manager. Internet clowns are going to clown though, it is what they do.
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Yes Jones was done before Ole got the permanent job. I would hope that the new manager in the summer, would have a big say on who he wants though, and maybe with the new setup we wont get mercenary signings, just because they were a big name and want a final payoff.
 
Did he mention Rashford or Maguire f’ing off? Yeah thought not. Tactically PC rant. He doesn’t mean what he’s saying. Made sure he kept the real toxic players who actually do have the power out of his mouth.
 
stevoc said:
I keep seeing this stuff but does anyone really believe that Solskjaer was telling Lingard in private that he should stay because he had big plans for him? Really?

Let's examine the facts Solskjaer barely played him for 6 months in the first half of 2020, tried to sell him, barely played him for another 6 months in the latter half of 2020, then loaned him out and briefed the press that he's available after a successful loan period at West Ham.

All the while assembling the following front 4 options.

---------------------------------------------Bruno/Pogba
Sancho/Greenwood/Amad------------------------Rashford/Martial
-------------------------------------------Ronaldo/Cavani

I honestly can't decide which idea is more silly that Solskjaer was telling Lingard in private he could break into this team or that Lingard would actually believe that shit.

Jesse has been eyeing a big fat free agent fee so didn't want to leave and/or United priced him too high and scared off interested clubs. That's why he's still here, even now Jesse is blowing smoke up people's arses about wanting to stay and fight for his place. He could have fooled me because I seen no fight from him against Young Boys.
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Yeah I don’t necessarily disagree with you as the truth is we don’t know what happened behind the scenes. I wouldn’t write off your theory that Jesse haas no ambitions and is just after money. I honestly think that could backfire on him though. No place in the England squad and maybe a season without hardly playing, his contract offers might be a bit lower than he expects!
 
wolvored said:
Fletcher is one of the jobs for the boys problem. Hes now coaching with no experience of doing it anywhere. Cant you see that? Thats why I said this 'Utd DNA' bollocks needs chucking out of any training/coaching/picking the side etc.
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Utter utter bollocks.
 
Mainoldo said:
Did he mention Rashford or Maguire f’ing off? Yeah thought not. Tactically PC rant. He doesn’t mean what he’s saying. Made sure he kept the real toxic players who actually do have the power out of his mouth.
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As has already been mentioned, Maguire Shaw and others all get hammered by him in other videos.
Also, what is it that makes rashford toxic, feeding kids a problem for you?
 
big rons sovereign said:
As has already been mentioned, Maguire Shaw and others all get hammered by him in other videos.
Also, what is it that makes rashford toxic, feeding kids a problem for you?
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Good for him. He snippets a video and doesn’t mention them. It’s not he accident.

Also good for him feeding kids I’m sure the most toxic player you could think of in the squad probably does a lot for charity and probably built a new village in a poor disenfranchised country. Should we change judgement on them to?
 
Bennie Blanco said:
Supporters pay a lot of money to watch them play. Ah so they're not happy? What do you think would happen if you and I start downing tools at work? We're not in that sort of position are we?

They owe it to the fans, who pay a lot of money, to give it their all on the pitch. They're not doing that, they'd rather spit in our faces.

So, no it's not ridiculous to blame a bunch of overpaid millionaires.
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Sorry I did probably use the wrong words there. I don’t think they have ‘downed tools’ as I think that’s totally unacceptable like you do. As far as I’m aware, none of them are refusing to play or throwing games on purpose.

They are disgruntled and disillusioned employees. Every company has them right? It’s just human nature. Even with millionaires, there are still people who hate their boss, disagree with management, feel overlooked, have cliques etc.

They aren’t on purpose trying to sabotage us. Performance levels just naturally drop in any line of work when there is no vision and no team morale.

We can only guess from the outside why this has happened. We have seen crazy contracts given out which probably makes other players jealous. Plus ambitious players have been mixed with people there just for the pay cheque which probably frustrates some I can imagine. I am sure there is much more to it than that as well.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Sorry I did probably use the wrong words there. I don’t think they have ‘downed tools’ as I think that’s totally unacceptable like you do. As far as I’m aware, none of them are refusing to play or throwing games on purpose.

They are disgruntled and disillusioned employees. Every company has them right? It’s just human nature. Even with millionaires, there are still people who hate their boss, disagree with management, feel overlooked, have cliques etc.

They aren’t on purpose trying to sabotage us. Performance levels just naturally drop in any line of work when there is no vision and no team morale.

We can only guess from the outside why this has happened. We have seen crazy contracts given out which probably makes other players jealous. Plus ambitious players have been mixed with people there just for the pay cheque which probably frustrates some I can imagine. I am sure there is much more to it than that as well.
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Totally agree with this.
 
The Mitcher said:
So? We all hate Gerrard here, but we don't know him. A lot of us, like myself, are not white. Are we racist for hating Gerrard? It's not just an "unexplainable reason" it's slander.
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Am I supposed to answer this dumb question?

He simply could never give him a compliment, or it had to be immediately back-handed. It's just strange for an older player to dislike a younger athlete that's done nothing to them or isolate them as opposed to other players. There's been memes about how much Souness hates Pogba, and the reason remains a mystery to this day. It's not racism, sure, but I have no problems with people making that assumption out of ignorance of the man's character. Whatever it is, it's not valid since Pogba is as good of a person you can ask a star player to be.
 
noodlehair said:
I wouldn't. We'd just be hoofing diagonal balls to the edge of the box after 20 minutes of every game so that Fellaini could flick them on to no one.
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Fellaini needs to GEL his hair into the shape of a perfect glove, then catch the balll in his hair. No one will be able to take it from him without heading him in the face and getting a red card and he can just walk it to goal
 
Mainoldo said:
Good for him. He snippets a video and doesn’t mention them. It’s not he accident.

Also good for him feeding kids I’m sure the most toxic player you could think of in the squad probably does a lot for charity and probably built a new village in a poor disenfranchised country. Should we change judgement on them to?
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Christ, you've excelled yourself this time.
 
hescoresgoals1899 said:
What's the issue with Fletcher? Is there any indication that he is doing something wrong? With Carrick decising to leave, does it not stand to reason that RR is looking for someone with some knowledge of the club and respected by the squad to be around? Im not entirely sure what concrete evidence any of these accusations are based on. Let the process run its course....
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It's hard to expect ronaldo to respect carrick or fletcher. Professionally perhaps. But knowledge wise they're from around the same generation

It's like jagielka somehow coaching rio ferdinand.

Fletch might pull some respect from the kids. But among the senior? And pogba?
 
big rons sovereign said:
As has already been mentioned, Maguire Shaw and others all get hammered by him in other videos.
Also, what is it that makes rashford toxic, feeding kids a problem for you?
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Maybe as Ole said, he should concentrate on his football (before he was disgracefully made to apologise).
 
devilish said:
Well Gary had the advantage to have Schmeichel at his back, Pally and then Stam near him, Keane as DM and Beckham in front of him. Beckham was more of a Right sided midfielder rather then a winger which meant that he would often double mark alongside Gaz. Needless to say who gave crosses on the right side which means that Gaz had a very easy job. Phil was cursed of being younger to Gaz. In a team were Denis Irwin was still mint we only had 1 spot for the hardworking on the job training fullback. That meant that Phil didn't had the time to develop as Gaz did.

Dalot have a GK with the communication skills of a corpse at his back, a CB with the IQ of a corpse at his side, a b2b CM as a DM and god knows who has as RW. He suffered injury, the manager who brought him was immediately sacked soon afterwards, he was sent to Milan were he had done reasonably well and here we are.

We won't have 22 players on a first team player salary. Id rather see us keep Dalot as squad player then someone like AWB whose probably being paid as a first teamer while having the skills of a championship level fullback.
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Cool, but we're going round in circles here. The fee paid for AWB and the wages he's on mean he won't be leaving any time soon I don't imagine so probably best make your peace with that mate. He'll be a capable back-up if we hopefully sign a more attack minded RB.

Dalot going off a lot of his performances for United wouldn't look out of place in the Championship either. Though I wish him luck with his career when he leaves.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Yeah I don’t necessarily disagree with you as the truth is we don’t know what happened behind the scenes. I wouldn’t write off your theory that Jesse haas no ambitions and is just after money. I honestly think that could backfire on him though. No place in the England squad and maybe a season without hardly playing, his contract offers might be a bit lower than he expects!
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You're right neither of us know for certain but I do think Jesse has been digging his heels in for quite a while now while trying to run his contract down. And I don't hold it against him it's his right see out his deal just as the club sometimes holds players to their contracts when they do want to leave.

He won't get offered wages comparable to what he's on at United (part of the reason he's running his contract down) but maybe he thinks a big signing on fee will compensate for that, who knows.
 
Ok Stephen Howson. Now please don't charge tourists £20 to take them to a pub.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Yeah I don’t necessarily disagree with you as the truth is we don’t know what happened behind the scenes. I wouldn’t write off your theory that Jesse haas no ambitions and is just after money. I honestly think that could backfire on him though. No place in the England squad and maybe a season without hardly playing, his contract offers might be a bit lower than he expects!
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Yes but the brand is still strong for him so long as he has United to his name.

That seems to be his only concern and it's typical of too many players we have right now.
 
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