I think you're taking that a bit too far TBH. Dalot is a half decent player and a true professional. He had his share of injuries with United but he did very well in the Serie A and there would be many clubs who wants him back there. Its a shame that the Serie A is bankrupted else we would have sold him already. Don't take me wrong, he's far from a Javier Zanetti but I believe that he's got a higher potential ceiling then AWB has and unlike AWB he's probably on a salary suited to a squad player. FBs take ages to gain that defensive maturity they need. You might have been too young to remember the Neville brothers at his age. Gary Neville ended up piggy banking Edmundo at the FIFA World Championship while Philip Neville nearly costed us the treble with yet another of his clumsy tackles inside the box
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I think you're taking that a bit too far TBH. Dalot is a half decent player and a true professional. He had his share of injuries with United but he did very well in the Serie A and there would be many clubs who wants him back there. Its a shame that the Serie A is bankrupted else we would have sold him already. Don't take me wrong, he's far from a Javier Zanetti but I believe that he's got a higher potential ceiling then AWB has and unlike AWB he's probably on a salary suited to a squad player. FBs take ages to gain that defensive maturity they need. You might have been too young to remember the Neville brothers at his age. Gary Neville ended up piggy banking Edmundo at the FIFA World Championship while Philip Neville nearly costed us the treble with yet another of his clumsy tackles inside the box
howson is very funny
would be an appalling manager and I hope manchester united don't follow his advice, but very funny.
The problem is, i dont know if I am laughing with him or at him?
would be an appalling manager and I hope manchester united don't follow his advice, but very funny.
The problem is, i dont know if I am laughing with him or at him?
Of course, its Manchester United the name alone guarantees millions of 'clicks', a United player farts in the street and its headline news!
The playing side of the club is in a mess, changes at the top of the business are also being made, as well.
Meanwhile at Carrington a 'new broom' has been brought in to 'sweep clean'... of course the players are upset, those who have had a 'cushy' number will get found out and under this manager know they will get dispatched; those who think they were hard done to by previous managers, still find they can't make the first team, so perhaps they are not good enough.... reality is dawning!! Those that were good enough but are way off the mark just now have to get back to where they were, the manager has to experiment with the players he's got and find a new system that can be operated effectively with the tools he already has, or find a new and draft in suitable personnel.
What is difficult to understand?
It will take time because the club didn't learn from its history (when Busby retired) and has made almost identical mistakes, that is where the United 'DNA' comes from.
The playing side of the club is in a mess, changes at the top of the business are also being made, as well.
Meanwhile at Carrington a 'new broom' has been brought in to 'sweep clean'... of course the players are upset, those who have had a 'cushy' number will get found out and under this manager know they will get dispatched; those who think they were hard done to by previous managers, still find they can't make the first team, so perhaps they are not good enough.... reality is dawning!! Those that were good enough but are way off the mark just now have to get back to where they were, the manager has to experiment with the players he's got and find a new system that can be operated effectively with the tools he already has, or find a new and draft in suitable personnel.
What is difficult to understand?
It will take time because the club didn't learn from its history (when Busby retired) and has made almost identical mistakes, that is where the United 'DNA' comes from.
Blaming ole for getting rid of Smalling , Rojo and Fellaini
He does have a point though. Ok, quality wise they weren't the best but nowhere near as bad as was made out at the time and probably still wouldn't look out of place amongst what we have now.
But the point is, this apparent reboot included coming in and sweeping out pretty much all the players that were fighters and grafters on the pitch. These are the players that you keep around initially to maintain that competitive edge, even if it's just in training. Set the standards for the younger players, even if the younger players are already more talented, which is debateable anyway. The likes of Sanchez and Lukaku, fair enough. They were more of the ilk of the current lot, overpaid, uninterested and not performing.
your a city fan so probably at him but he’s right. This team is horrible. They need to go.
"we need a clean out of all the underperformers I don't like. The primadonnas I like need to be played into form".
Don't always agree with Howson but he's spot on here and why it's baffling to me that some supporters actually believe Rangnick's the issue when he's only been here 5 minutes. The attitude these players have shown is nothing short of shambolic, if they were as good at kicking a football as they are at leaking things to the press then we'd be top of the league.
I'm not sure he does have a point. They were poor, overpaid underperformers too. Players like Rojo and Herrera showed a lot of spirit when they played, but they never played because they were always injured. Fellaini was a grafter but desperately lacked any finesse or quality and Smalling was all over the place and his injury record since he left us speaks for himself. It's all good and well being a "fighter" but if you're never available for selection then ultimately you deserve to be moved on, like those lot were. Where we failed was not replacing them with higher quality, competitive players.
Bunch of babies is what we have.
Oh I want to sit next to him in the canteen, not him.
Oh Greenwood isnt passing to me
Some of the players are acting as if they are in high school.
Grow up and man up.
In what regard?
Yeah a move back to Serie A would probably the best move for him.
I remember both the Neville brothers careers very well, Phil and especially Gary were better players than Diogo.
Second this. You can’t just fine a whole bunch of players who live in an area because you feel like it. Idiot.
While he's not wrong, in some instances, blaming the likes of Henderson and DVB is just stupid. They want to play football not sit on the bench. They've asked to leave and been refused - that creates bad feeling.
We've not managed to balance the squad well. Keeping everybody happy isn't easy, but because of COVID we've got greedy.
What a garbage comment, especially given how frequently Howson opens up about his mental health struggles. He's pretty much the antithesis of toxic masculinity in that regard.
Are you going to refute anything he said?
In the example he gave it was Sir Alex who did it, and it worked?
You think Fergie's an idiot?
Getting rid of the likes of Rojo and Fellaini isn't the reason we're in the situation we are post SAF. Conversely signing the likes of Fellaini and Rojo is what contributed to the club struggling the last few years.
I can vaguely remember hearing that story before it sounds like something Fergie would do to be honest.
Well Gary had the advantage to have Schmeichel at his back, Pally and then Stam near him, Keane as DM and Beckham in front of him. Beckham was more of a Right sided midfielder rather then a winger which meant that he would often double mark alongside Gaz. Needless to say who gave crosses on the right side which means that Gaz had a very easy job. Phil was cursed of being younger to Gaz. In a team were Denis Irwin was still mint we only had 1 spot for the hardworking on the job training fullback. That meant that Phil didn't had the time to develop as Gaz did.
Dalot have a GK with the communication skills of a corpse at his back, a CB with the IQ of a corpse at his side, a b2b CM as a DM and god knows who has as RW. He suffered injury, the manager who brought him was immediately sacked soon afterwards, he was sent to Milan were he had done reasonably well and here we are.
We won't have 22 players on a first team player salary. Id rather see us keep Dalot as squad player then someone like AWB whose probably being paid as a first teamer while having the skills of a championship level fullback.
Even Sir Alex wouldn't do that in this day and age, you would be completely alienating a section of the dressing room because you wanted to show who was in charge. Imagine getting a fine because someone in your area spoke to someone else in your area? It might not even be someone in the area, a player could have gone to a friends house and stopped by on the way home. It's not fecking hard to work out who the mole is instead of docking everyone.
I will open myself up for abuse here but the mistake was not following the philosophy that Ole said he wanted to pursue when he came in. Build a young team and get rid of players disruptive to the team (Lukaku, Sanchez). At some point, Ole started chasing instant success and we faultered there.
I mean, even though we weren't amazing last season, we did come second. And added some quality in Sancho and Varane, whatever you think about Ronaldo and his impact.
The doom and gloom is - imo - being whipped up by the media who are loving this more than a kid at Christmas.
Win a few games on the bounce and this will go away, and might be even be useful in identifying the members of the squad that need to go in the summer.
The doom and gloom is - imo - being whipped up by the media who are loving this more than a kid at Christmas.
Win a few games on the bounce and this will go away, and might be even be useful in identifying the members of the squad that need to go in the summer.
I would honestly be amazed if even 10% of these unhappy player rumours are true - Some are coming from papers like the Daily Mail. Not exactly the gold standard of journalism, and who also make a lot of money from clicks.
And if any are true I reckon it's only coming from a small group of fringe players like Henderson who has always been publicly clear of his uncompromising intention to be a first XI player.
And if any are true I reckon it's only coming from a small group of fringe players like Henderson who has always been publicly clear of his uncompromising intention to be a first XI player.
If the player wants to go, get rid of them. There is nothing worse around a club. They are like a cancer.
Leaks to the press can not be tolerated. Find out who they are and then fine and shame them by physically throwing them out of Carrington.
If the club can not find a buyer at the price they want they have to take a hit because if that player stays he will just fester and drag other players down.
I hope RR runs this lot into the ground until they show some pride playing for United.
The trouble is nothing will change while those leeching parasitic owners are around.
Leaks to the press can not be tolerated. Find out who they are and then fine and shame them by physically throwing them out of Carrington.
If the club can not find a buyer at the price they want they have to take a hit because if that player stays he will just fester and drag other players down.
I hope RR runs this lot into the ground until they show some pride playing for United.
The trouble is nothing will change while those leeching parasitic owners are around.
No, I largely agree.
When Ole first arrived, he was shipping off the likes of Fellaini, Darmian etc double fast, but he suddenly hit a wall with that, and since Lukaku left in August 19, we have only managed to sell two players I believe, with Ole constantly clinging onto players and talking them into staying...
It's been a bizarre turn around.
He also threw new contracts at some old boys as soon as he got here, and has been doing it ever since. None of the players he sold I would say were bold moves and youth development hit a brick wall. He didn't really follow through with what he said initially.
He wasn't shipping off any particular profile of player so much as he was getting rid of the pro-Mourinho cliques. That was a very divided squads and it's no coincidence that nearly all those who left were among Mourinho's favourites.
This idea that Ole was ever about a transition to youth is nonsensical and has no evidence to support it - I'm sure every manager would like to have brilliant young players. There did seem to be a direction to make the side more British and what a decision that was.
Ultimately whatever direction Ole wanted to go was always going to be difficult because there's just no evidence he was ever capable of doing it. The fact remains he was hilariously under qualified and it's a lot easier to talk about a vision than it is to implement it.
He's talking about a threat fergie made. And the threat paid off.
Not a single English player in his thumbnail. A coïncidence ?
Howson? He's plenty to say on Shaw and Maguire.
Dean Henderson?
And AWB while we're at it.
Accusing Stephen Howson of prejudice is frankly a non starter.
All the players in the thumbnail want to leave...the exact subject he's talking about. There's no agenda there.
100% agree with all that.
Fek off. If you don't like the training, or what we're aiming towards...on your bike. We're an absolute circus with all these leaks. It's pathetic.
Fek off. If you don't like the training, or what we're aiming towards...on your bike. We're an absolute circus with all these leaks. It's pathetic.
I know. And to add DDG looked like he was done last season. Imagine the freakout if we had let Henderson leave and then couldn't drop DDG.Blaming ole for getting rid of Smalling , Rojo and Fellaini
Amazing how anything can be spun to push an agenda.
Some people just have an agenda when it comes to Howson and will disagree with anything he says just because he said it. He’s absolutely spot on here.
So sir Alex is an idiot?
I would agree except shaws comments after the match make it clear something is wrong internally and the performance was sooo bad it'd the only explanation.
This is place is worse than twitter at times. Any one they have an issue with and there's a desperation to attribute the most vile things they can think of towards them, based on next to nothing.
What a slanderous suggestion to make.
Yep. He's a fan with a platform and using it well to voice his frustrations, as well as for want of a better phrase, 'what most of us are thinking'
What's actually really sad, is that Ole put his neck out for a lot of these players, ultimately costing him his job and for what? Could you imagine if Conte had come in, the strop would have been biblical. Conte has a fitness coach nicked named the Marine, but these lot are complaining about going home in the dark.
I imagine Ragnick is no where near as demanding as Tuchel, Klopp, Pep and even Conte, these lads need a slap.
this whole situation is turning into the cluster that is arsenal with multiple talk shows ranting about the players and coaches and general toxicity.