OT EVACUATED | Device signed as having been recovered, could NOT be detected by sniffer dogs

Well, he hasn't. What happened today has nothing to do with what happens on the pitch.

It's as if some people would be slightly more accepting of such a situation if we were sitting top of the league. It takes a special brand of imbecility to draw comparison between the two.

It becomes plainer that some people support this club for reasons beyond football.
 
External company using OT.

The company is obviously mostly to blame. You can't leave shit like that lying around.. Why aren't they counted in?

But unreal to think that something which looks 'incredibly likelife' to a bomb, was stored in Old Trafford for 4 days, without detection.
Depends on where it was and how it was noticed
 
Well the press will run with the "Incompetent United" angle again, because it's easy, but I'm not sure how the blame lies with the club here

A mistake has been made in the process and nobody is fully yet sure how it happened. But using this incident to feed it into the wider narrative of Manchester United incompetence is tiresome already.
If people really want to use this episode to highlight just how much of a dickhead Ed Woodward is (as if this has anything to do with anything we see out on the pitch) then they need to get a hold of themselves.

A bit similar to you and your anti-Fergie agenda driven posts one would say. Ironic.
 
I doubt this very much I'd say it would be embarrassing for club and external firm if it happened to Barcelona.

I agree, it would be similarly worrying from a security standpoint. But the quality of their football or their inability to sell their goalkeeper and buy Ander Herrera would have nothing to do with security methods and the competence of those methods. So why are people acting, in our case, as if the two are interconnected?

What has being a shite football team got to do with our security measures?
 
How? HOW is this anything to do with the club?

I can't believe people are blaming the club for this. The only thing we messed up on was not finding it in the toilet beforehand (why would the security staff be in the concourse toilets?), but ultimately the fecking fake bomb people or whoever the feck they were should've retrieved it. The security staff and stewards were impeccable today in getting 75,000+ people, including everyone in exec boxes, studios etc.

It was a bomb scare. It happens. The fact is that an EXTERNAL security firm fecked up massively, and they will be held accountable for this. They're truly in the shit.

While I'm not going into "this is embarrassing" territory, of course this has something to do with the club.
 
It's not the club who'll be paying it but the company most likely. I can't imagine our club letting this go like this with all smiles, it's sheer incompetence on the company's behalf and they'll have to pay for it.

I'm not talking about random people, I'm talking about somebody who was planting this shit and then he was probably responsible to gather all the shit back. What's so hard to understand here?

And again, you're underestimating what could've happened today. It's not just 'cancelled football game', it's an evacuation of 75k people. Anything and everything can go wrong there.

But it didn't, it has to be judged on what actually went down, not what could have happened.

If the person whose job it was to count everything back in is disciplined by that company then fine, that is reasonable, but some people are advocating that the club sue them out of business, how is that reasonable when the rest of the people there aren't culpable ?
 
I can understand why you say that and accept that, but I am already seeing post on Facebook and Sky say how the club is badly run and how did it not get spotted for 4 day, we did it on purpose, in the eyes of non United fans,that is how they are thinking about United.

Really non-United fans having a bit of fun with this? The horror of it all!
 
Jesus Christ. What a stupid oversight that was. This is worse than when people were saying it was a hoax. Major feck-up, someone needs to be held accountable for that internally.
 
It's sad to see this club turning into one massive joke. We have a real problem with leadership and direction at the highest level.
 
So what I'm taking away from this is those sniffer dogs today that everyone thought were so cute, one of them is really shit at it's job.
 
Has it been established if the external security company were providing training to MUFC/Old Trafford staff, or just using OT as a venue for completely external non-MUFC related security drills?
 
- Sergio Ramos's mother on the wum
- Broken fax
- Leaked blood samples
- The Januzaj substitute
- Videos while bus being hammered by fans
- Dummy device

This year has well and truly been a magnificent PR journey.

Leaked blood samples?
 
Depends on where it was and how it was noticed
I imagine it wouldn't have been clearly obvious to the normal person such as a cleaner. Given it was some sort of training, I imagine they would have put it in a place they are likely to find a bomb, not a in a place clearly visible to the next man.
 
Have to feel sorry for the explosive search dogs in all of this. Hope we didn't lose too many.
 
But it didn't, it has to be judged on what actually went down, not what could have happened.

If the person whose job it was to count everything back in is disciplined by that company then fine, that is reasonable, but some people are advocating that the club sue them out of business, hos is that reasonable when the rest of the people there aren't culpable ?

Don't ask me as I'm not one suggesting bringing inferno on them, merely paying them/individuals for their faults as there, undoubtedly, were faults today. And nah, judging it on what has actually happened instead of taking into consideration what could've been is pretty narrow minded, short sighted thinking if you will, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
 
I think everyone should leave this thread now and just allow the same ten posters to call the club an embarrassing shambles in as many different ways as possible until their fingers fall off.
 
Have worked for a few companies that use subcontractors/external suppliers for services and never have we had situations were we had employees follow them around every step of the way double checking everything they do.

Okay can't say never, but the majority were allowed to do their work without someone constantly looking over their shoulder. The last place I worked even had an outside security company providing onsite security we did not employ anyone to watch over each security guard.
 
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I think everyone should leave this thread now and just allow the same ten posters to call the club an embarrassing shambles in as many different ways as possible until their fingers fall off.
Explaining that to the triage nurse would be so embarrassing.
 
Don't ask me as I'm not one suggesting bringing inferno on them, merely paying them/individuals for their faults as there, undoubtedly, were faults today. And nah, judging it on what has actually happened instead of taking into consideration what could've been is pretty narrow minded, short sighted thinking if you will, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

No, it's common sense. It ended up being a glorified fire drill and there was no hint of any danger.

If any and all things are to be taken through to their worst case scenario conclusion then there is an argument to be made that playing football at all is dangerous and people sometimes die or get seriously harmed doing so. In turn we should stop playing it all together.

That is of course a ridiculous scenario but the point stands, sometimes things just have to be judged on the evidence of what actually happened.
 
Just got home, came up from London last & night came back this evening.
I sit in the NW quadrant too, me and my family got to the stadium at around 2:30 and they wouldn't let us in, everyone thankfully was very very calm and all the fans moved efficiently out of harms way.

The way security and police handled it was great. I am so happy that no one was harmed or worse, killed. It's scary how easy it is for someone to plant such a thing, even if it wasn't real. Fairly nervy at the time, glad I am home now though!!
 
Nobody else think that this has cover up written all over it? The story just seems a bit too farfetched. Then again, if there is one club this could happen too, it is us.

Could be. Admitting there was a real bomb at the ground wouldn't be a smart idea. Then again, that's just thinking cynically
 
How? HOW is this anything to do with the club?

I can't believe people are blaming the club for this. The only thing we messed up on was not finding it in the toilet beforehand (why would the security staff be in the concourse toilets?), but ultimately the fecking fake bomb people or whoever the feck they were should've retrieved it. The security staff and stewards were impeccable today in getting 75,000+ people, including everyone in exec boxes, studios etc.

It was a bomb scare. It happens. The fact is that an EXTERNAL security firm fecked up massively, and they will be held accountable for this. They're truly in the shit.
The security firm should take a large portion of the blame for what happened but surely if there was a recent training exercise, it might've occurred to one of the club officials that there's a possibility the two incidents were linked. It took 8 or 9 hours for them to determine that much.

My criticism was probably too strong though, it was well handled for the most part.
 
You forgot about that one ? An alleged Carrington employee tweeted picture of blood samples as a confirmation for the Schneiderlin transfer That tranformed ITK to ITDK (I truly do know)
Schneiderlin's blood samples from his Man Utd medical were leaked before his transfer. Lots of people thought it was bullshit until the announcement was suddenly made official.
Somebody snapchatted Schneiderlin's blood sample when he was having a medical for us.

Oh right, I remember there was some stuff about Schneiderlin but I thought it was fake.