Yes Klopp always choke in the final but he finally broke the curse in the Champ league final against Spurs who continued to choke.
Ole signs new contract
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You can't earn your spot unless you're given an opportunity.
It means the club has learnt the lesson from spending money then firing the manager and starting all over again with another manager and another pile of money for a different set of players.
Without question, we now have some stability and we are in a better place in a number of ways than we were under Moyes, LVG or Mourinho, so for me this is a good decision.
Without question, we now have some stability and we are in a better place in a number of ways than we were under Moyes, LVG or Mourinho, so for me this is a good decision.
I have no skin in the game but I can’t understand the logic behind this move.
You have a coach like conte looking for work who is tactically superior with a considerable trophy pedigree which OGS lacks.
Why would you spend hundreds of millions upgrading various positions in the squad without seeking to upgrade arguably the most influential position?
And yes, lots will argue conte‘s a PITA, difficult, demanding of endless funds to shape his squad to his exact spec.
Well, great. Where else is he better suited to than the club with the biggest net spend, the one place outside the two oil clubs where he’s likely to be backed with whatever funds he needs to spend to upgrade his squad?
This is hardly a debt ridden inter who are needing to sell their crown jewels to survive.
You have a coach like conte looking for work who is tactically superior with a considerable trophy pedigree which OGS lacks.
Why would you spend hundreds of millions upgrading various positions in the squad without seeking to upgrade arguably the most influential position?
And yes, lots will argue conte‘s a PITA, difficult, demanding of endless funds to shape his squad to his exact spec.
Well, great. Where else is he better suited to than the club with the biggest net spend, the one place outside the two oil clubs where he’s likely to be backed with whatever funds he needs to spend to upgrade his squad?
This is hardly a debt ridden inter who are needing to sell their crown jewels to survive.
Conte is an excellent coach but if you're looking for long-term team building, he's not your man. Getting him in 2016 would've been better than Mourinho because Conte is much more agreeable. However, like Mourinho he builds his teams with mercenaries, wins a title and then leaves for the next manager to clean up.
Where were we in the table when Ole was appointed?
The above isn't a mile off how we fared last season.
Knocked out in CL group stage
Finished 2nd in League
Europa league Final
If Ole is fully backed this window I want to see further progress. So, say we get 2 more quality players along with Sancho, I think my expectations are very reasonable and am fully behind Ole in the hope he can achieve this.
If he's not backed in the transfer market then that's another story altogether.
Riiight. So, when we eliminated PSG then? Also, I guess non-knockout matches don't matter and the league is played for laughs and giggles..
He‘s certainly been very volatile/fickle in his career to date but I’m not sure he couldn’t be convinced to stay somewhere a bit longer than 2-3 years if the circumstances were right.
Despite all his sabre rattling at inter in the last year he was gearing to stay there for another few years if they hadn’t decided to start flogging the family silver with zero notice or consultation.
The other point is whether you need a long term manager type figure these days in the mould of a SAF or lobanovskiy. Pretty much every major club (real, Barca, juve, Bayern, Chelsea, PSG) manages to keep a significant modicum of ongoing success despite frequent managerial changes.
The only exceptions here are us, atleti and city in the last few years. You could argue that if the players are being bought to a plan, a coach with a reasonable degree of tactical sophistication should be able to use them to his advantage. Someone like nagelsmann for example is hardly demanding wholesale changes to his playing squad.
That's for any good manager. Even ole spent 397 mn pound till date but questioning manager for spending a lot is not warranted. Conte earned respect for what he did. If he spent a lot and show nothing is one thing but he wins too.
Nobody will say pep a bad manager even he spent more than ole only for defense of man City alone. The disrespect shown towards conte is not good.
Why are we spending so much time talking Kloop up and Ole down?
Because this is the CAF and we like to take a dump on our club and our manager at every turn.
You can't use the 4 months of self destruction from Mou as an accurate pointer on how good/bad the squad actually was when Ole took over for more than obvious reasons.
What are those more than obvious reasons? Who from that squad would be in a title winning/challenging team?
No that is obviously not true but one league match is usually much less important than than knock-out matches which bring you very close to trophies.
We were never going to beat Barcelona, that was a top match from United to eliminate PSG. However, there are more examples that aren't in our favour and I doubt there's any need to name them.
One of games? Ole's side tend to bottle it in many many games which is why the guy is still trophy less. I think he's got some record about how many semi finals he had lost.
A modern fullback is expected to be able to move forward with the ball especially if the club spent 50m on him. I won't be surprised that Trippier ends up putting him on the bench.
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6th on 29 points from 18 games. 8 points behind Arsenal and Chelsea who also played 18. 10 behind Spurs. 15 behind City and 19 behind Liverpool.
That was a fluke of a season. Previously Liverpool ended up 7th (1 position better then the season before) and after that season they ended up 6th and kicked out of the CL by mighty Basel. Rodgers was shown the door with Liverpool lingering at 10th place. Brendan Rodgers became the first Liverpool manager since the 1950s not to win a trophy after three seasons in charge. That's the state Liverpool were prior to Klopp.
The title race wasn’t so close though. We were just the closest of the rest. I would be pleased there was some progress if we properly slugged it out for the league.
Of course I’d love a trophy and a good run in the CL but realistically I’d say a real title challenge is a proper step forward.
Can you look at the shithouse football we played and being nowhere near a title challenge?
I suggest you read Klopp's wiki page
His primary duty is defense and defend well and he is succeeded. Shaw will struggle if he play behind useless wingers. The fullbacks will be effective in attack if play behind good wingers.
Otherwise they won't get space to attack or be impactful in a game attack oriented.
Great attacking full backs in history have that luxury of good wingers before them like Marcelo behind Ronaldo,alba behind Pedro/neymar Alves behind messi, Lahm and alaba behind robbery .
May be next season will see more of AWB in attack since he play behind Sancho.
The point is that these are NOT one off games. The guy tends to bottles it on a regular basis. Which lead to my initial point. If United invests heavily this summer then there aren't really no excuses left for Ole. He simply has to deliver.
I've yet to see why this is considered so outrageous.
Lets see what happens with Sancho. By the looks of it, if United does go for Trippier then he might see most of the season sitting on the bench.
And no one talks about Liverpool’s shitty last season without putting the excuse on injuries
Kloop didn’t pass that test. Has he during his career managed to take his team through difficult times and take them back to the top?So if Liverpool doesn’t win PL this season, Kloop is a clown and should be kicked out from Liverpool?
I don't think anyone says the team doesn't need to deliver. However, using one-off games in knockout competitions is not the best metric since there is a ton of luck that comes into play. If any of the 10 outfield Villareal players missed their pen, we would've won a trophy. Equally, last season Martial made Sevilla's GK MotM. Is that really Ole's fault?
The obvious progression from 6th, to 3rd,to 2nd, with a fantastic squad that is harmonious, young and full of potential, are all things Ole achieved and did not just inherit. Instead, we had Shaw, Martial and Rashford rumoured to want to leave, the club spiraling down in form and in the table and the whole squad in disarray, noticeably not giving their all.
Inverting the question, who would you have instead of Ole, why and what do you expect would change?
Losing a game =/= bottling, especially when playing against decent competitive sides.
Sure, he's lost 4 semis, but at least we're reaching the latter rounds of these competitions consistently, which not a lot of teams bar City can claim
The board has backed him from day one. We have the highest net spend since he arrived in all of Europe
So what do we do if we again finish 2nd-4th, win feck nothing and never really challenge for a league? Call it further progress and keep going? I wish I was wrong but to me he doesn’t deserve a new contract yet, we never learn.
You're absolutely right. A manager whose livelihood depends on his team winning doesn't demand success out of his players and is nice to them all the time regardless of what the player does. Makes sense.
We can do whatever we want. Just like most other clubs that have their manager on long term contracts. 19 of which won't win the league either.
For the same reason you hired Klopp when the likes of Ancelotti was available. Past performance isn't always an indicator of future performance. The fit has to be right.
Imagine getting upset about the manager signing a new contract when he could well be sacked before December if we get Sancho & Varane, and lose most of our games...
Imagine hoping our manager gets sacked by making up weird hypotheticals that has happened every single year since he signed
"Oh don't worry he'll be sacked if x y z happens"
"Oh don't worry he'll be sacked if we don't finish in the top 4"
"Oh don't worry he'll be gone by Christmas"
Give it a rest!
Mou was in self destruct mode, calling out his players, playing strange line ups to get himself sacked so where we were in the table wasn't a reflection of the actually quality of the squad. Winning 81 points just a few months before is still the highest total we've managed since SAF retired. So either Mou was a genius or the squad wasn't as bad as many people think. Don't get me wrong. I think Ole has done a good job in putting together a squad to win major titles but unfortunately I don't think he's the one to actually win them.
Statistically he's been the closest with the most points on the board putting aside his shit house football.
19pts in 17/18 vs 12pts last year.
How are you going to say he was the closest to a title challenge?
We were 6th. Liverpool were 10th when they hired Klopp.
United finished 2nd the previous season. Liverpool finished 6th the season before Klopp came.
Did you even watch this period or are you simply arguing for the sake of it?
You are playing with stats. I'm sure I could come up with some qualifications to show Ole did better than Tuchel and Pep. Maybe something like if Pogba was healthy, if Rashford was good, if Bruno wasn't fatigued, and if the moon was full, Man Utd were clearly better than Chelsea and MC during a period of matches.
I don't view it as a failure that we finished 2nd in the league. I went into the season knowing we were unlikely to win and just wanted to be competitive. Ole did that and met my expectations. The CL, for sure, was disappointing. The other cup runs made up for that and we were a PK from winning a trophy.
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