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georgipep said:
How many trophies did Klopp win in the same period for Liverpool?
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These circumstances were different, weren't they? Besides, do you think that Ole will be for United what Klopp is for Liverpool?
 
georgipep said:
How many trophies did Klopp win in the same period for Liverpool?
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Weren't liverpool pre Klopp in a worse situation then United pre Ole?

This talk of progression means nothing without trophies. Its time for him to deliver
 
Rektsanwalt said:
These circumstances were different, weren't they? Besides, do you think that Ole will be for United what Klopp is for Liverpool?
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You can't fault the Ole inners for lack of excuses.
 
devilish said:
Weren't liverpool pre Klopp in a worse situation then United pre Ole?
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They were 10th when Klopp came in mid-season, having finished 6th, 2nd and 7th the previous 3 years.

Man United were 6th when OGS came in, having finished 2nd, 6th and 5th the previous 3 years.

So yeah, a bit worse but not really much in it.
 
duffer said:
They were 10th when Klopp came in mid-season, having finished 6th, 2nd and 7th the previous 3 years.

Man United were 6th when OGS came in, having finished 2nd, 6th and 5th the previous 3 years.

So yeah, a bit worse but not really much in it.
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What about the financial situation? Genuine question, as I don't know where Liverpool stood back then.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
What about the financial situation? Genuine question, as I don't know where Liverpool stood back then.
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They both spent a feck load.

I'd guess Ole more in the first two and a half years (compared to Klopp's two and a half) but if you take transfer fee inflation into account, there's not really much in it. Certainly both have been massively backed.
 
devilish said:
As said, the 318m euros doesn't include Sancho (85m euros) and certainly does not include Varane's (60m euros). That will increase the expenditure to 463m euros. We might not be able to go toe to toe against City financially. However how much money does Ole need to bring a top trophy home? How much money did Villareal or Leipzig spent to get the better out of our manager and team?
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I did only compare Kloops two years of spending before PL trophy. So if you want to include what we spend this year you have to exlude 19/20, £235m (£318 + spending 21/22 - £235).

Bundesliga and La Liga is a deferent animal and tournament is tournament.

Villareal was nr. 5 and 7 in La Liga isn’t much to talk about. I actually prefer good performance in PL (second place) over shitty PL performance (7th place) and EL trophy.

We should definitely fight for the title this year, but no teams in the world can expect to win PL in the competition with City. I feel very confident we beat Liverpool and Chelsea. If we don’t bring home the PL trophy, Ole probably have to bring home another trophy.
 
duffer said:
They were 10th when Klopp came in mid-season, having finished 6th, 2nd and 7th the previous 3 years.

Man United were 6th when OGS came in, having finished 2nd, 6th and 5th the previous 3 years.

So yeah, a bit worse but not really much in it.
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I think this is slightly misleading:
  1. United were 5th (fa cup), 6th (EL & League cup) then 2nd.
  2. Liverpool were 7th, 2nd, 6th.
 
I have no problem with Ole getting a new contract. But now he needs to deliver, or make significant progress.

At least Ole seems to be spending money wisely.
If he fails our next manager will have excellent squad, in regards to quality and age.
 
duffer said:
They were 10th when Klopp came in mid-season, having finished 6th, 2nd and 7th the previous 3 years.

Man United were 6th when OGS came in, having finished 2nd, 6th and 5th the previous 3 years.

So yeah, a bit worse but not really much in it.
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United ended second in 2018 and won the EFL and the Europa league the year prior. Then the club poorly backed Mou, he wanted out and everything went down to a downward spiral after that.

Klopp inherited a team who ended up 6th the year before. It hasn't won the EFL since 2011-2012, FA cup since 2005-2006, the CL since 2004-2005, the UEFA since 2005 and the English Premier league since the 1990s.

We can therefore conclude that the United side inherited by Ole was far stronger then the one inherited by Klopp.
 
Polar said:
I did only compare Kloops two years of spending before PL trophy. So if you want to include what we spend this year you have to exlude 19/20, £235m (£318 + spending 21/22 - £235).

Bundesliga and La Liga is a deferent animal and tournament is tournament.

Villareal was nr. 5 and 7 in La Liga isn’t much to talk about. I actually prefer good performance in PL (second place) over shitty PL performance (7th place) and EL trophy.

We should definitely fight for the title this year, but no teams in the world can expect to win PL in the competition with City. I feel very confident we beat Liverpool and Chelsea. If we don’t bring home the PL trophy, Ole probably have to bring home another trophy.
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If United sign Varane (after we signed Sancho) then Ole must deliver a major trophy. Talks of 'Progession' can take him so far.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
These circumstances were different, weren't they? Besides, do you think that Ole will be for United what Klopp is for Liverpool?
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How were the circumstances different? We were flying high under Mou?

And, yes I think Ole will be successful and will win trophies for us.
 
devilish said:
United ended second in 2018 and won the EFL and the Europa league the year prior. Then the club poorly backed Mou, he wanted out and everything went down to a downward spiral after that.

Klopp inherited a team who ended up 6th the year before. It hasn't won the EFL since 2011-2012, FA cup since 2005-2006, the CL since 2004-2005, the UEFA since 2005 and the English Premier league since the 1990s.

We can therefore conclude that the United side inherited by Ole was far stronger then the one inherited by Klopp.
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Klopp bought very well and specialises in polishing turds.

I’m one of Ole’s biggest defenders at times but Klopp has been outrageously good at Liverpool and nobody who backs Ole claims he is as good.

In fact, posters like myself, acknowledge how difficult it is to leapfrog the two best managers in Europe who have both had much longer to build their squads.

For balance our rebuild is for more recent and still being completed.
 
duffer said:
They were 10th when Klopp came in mid-season, having finished 6th, 2nd and 7th the previous 3 years.

Man United were 6th when OGS came in, having finished 2nd, 6th and 5th the previous 3 years.

So yeah, a bit worse but not really much in it.
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I think they were in a much worse shape. Can't just look at the league positions and determine from there. Liverpool did finish second 15 months before Klopp's arrival, but they had lost Sterling, Suarez and Gerrard from that side as well as Sturridge being incredibly unreliable injury-wise. I'm sure the team had underperformed some under Rogers but they didn't improve that much in Klopp's first year mainly because they just weren't that good. They much improved his second year though, getting some quality additions to the squad.

When Ole came in we had finished second the year before, had the exact same team with one addition and we had underperformed greatly in the first half of the season - he came in and we performed much better in general in the second half of the season. All in all, I'd say we had much more talent in our squad by his arrival than what Liverpool had.
 
New contract for ole looked like bad for many but I can see why united board opt for this.

1. They think their experience with previous managers after SAF was too bad.

2. Signing players under them either under performed or totally bad.depay,mata,Bailey,lindelof,dimaria, Lukaku even Pogba to name a few.

3. Form need to be always good for previous managers otherwise came under serious pressure from fans.

4.Former players didn't back previous managers but ole has that previlage.

5.Ole signings are good to very good except vdb.

6.Ole not put pressure on board and when board came under pressure during esl saga he fully backed board despite fan backlash.

So ole did well on the pitch as well as off the pitch even when he came under serious pressure.

So my conclusion is United board not gifting ole contract extention but looked into serious considerations of pros and cons and pros outweighs cons and made that decision.

Yes he made mistakes as manager like final in Europa cup but ole is up and coming manager and those kind of experience only make him better.Even pep Klopp tuchel lost finals recently so it's not given always you should win. Good luck ole came from chelsea fan.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Klopp bought very well and specialises in polishing turds.

I’m one of Ole’s biggest defenders at times but Klopp has been outrageously good at Liverpool and nobody who backs Ole claims he is as good.

In fact, posters like myself, acknowledge how difficult it is to leapfrog the two best managers in Europe who have both had much longer to build their squads.

For balance our rebuild is for more recent and still being completed.
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Here is what I think.

Ole is a good man manager and he understands the club. That can't be underestimated at all especially in today's football were players need to be cuddled else they lead a mutiny. However there's so many aspects in Ole's game that are weak from his tactics, to his stubbornness in hiring inexperienced coaches and his inability to take tough decisions on his mateys. Irrespective of that while some progression has been made its time for him to deliver, no ifs and not buts.
 
Rajiztar said:
New contract for ole looked like bad for many but I can see why united board opt for this.

1. They think their experience with previous managers after SAF was too bad.

2. Signing players under them either under performed or totally bad.depay,mata,Bailey,lindelof,dimaria, Lukaku even Pogba to name a few.

3. Form need to be always good for previous managers otherwise came under serious pressure from fans.

4.Former players didn't back previous managers but ole has that previlage.

5.Ole signings are good to very good except vdb.

6.Ole not put pressure on board and when board came under pressure during esl saga he fully backed board despite fan backlash.

So ole did well on the pitch as well as off the pitch even when he came under serious pressure.

So my conclusion is United board not gifting ole contract extention but looked into serious considerations of pros and cons and pros outweighs cons and made that decision.

Yes he made mistakes as manager like final in Europa cup but ole is up and coming manager and those kind of experience only make him better.Even pep Klopp tuchel lost finals recently so it's not given always you should win. Good luck ole came from chelsea fan.
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5. VDB, James and AWB.
 
devilish said:
I am comparing teams in terms of milestones and trophies. How many trophies has Ole won with us?
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If you're comparing one-off games to downplay Ole's work here, then what is wrong with someone saying Ole is better than Pep because he beat him in a one-off game? Afterall Pep has spent more than Pep as well.

As far as trophies argument is concerned, then what have RBL achieved?

The issue with your argument while comparing where we were pre-Ole is that it lacks any sort of context around the age profiles, the player style profile and all. The side Ole inherited was an extremely old side and hence it was obvious that a major rebuilding effort was required. And that is why Pool required some spending as well, especially when you look it as a proportion to their revenue. City, on the other hand, had been rebuilding it for Pep from 2-3 years before Pep joined and hence the rebuild was slightly easier for Pep
 
Rektsanwalt said:
These circumstances were different, weren't they? Besides, do you think that Ole will be for United what Klopp is for Liverpool?
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How can anyone answer this ?
People were laughing at Klopp when he was 2 year in job at Liverpool.

We have seen progress so this contract is deserved. Next step is trophies which we will judge this season.
 
Zero excuses now. He has to start winning trophies.
 
Offsideagain said:
If he doesn’t deliver next season, he’ll have to go.
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Klopp won't win next season pl or cl either. Doesn't mean he will be judged on winning next season. Okay who will you want to replace ole if not delivered trophy next season.Fair question.
 
devilish said:
United ended second in 2018 and won the EFL and the Europa league the year prior. Then the club poorly backed Mou, he wanted out and everything went down to a downward spiral after that.

Klopp inherited a team who ended up 6th the year before. It hasn't won the EFL since 2011-2012, FA cup since 2005-2006, the CL since 2004-2005, the UEFA since 2005 and the English Premier league since the 1990s.

We can therefore conclude that the United side inherited by Ole was far stronger then the one inherited by Klopp.
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I don't think Mourinho wanted out. He was just negative and the club kicked him out.
 
Congratulations to Ole for the new contract! He has earned it! Second place and a european final show clear progress.

We all want to win a trophy but it is not easy, we have been spoiled by SAF who made it look easy.
 
It doesnt matter now what any of us think, Ole is now manager for the next season at least. Lets all get behind him at least until we have no chance of winning anything.
I think if he gets top 4, in with a chance of winning the league with 2 games to go and a trophy, any trophy this season coming, it will be a step in the right direction.
Top 4 only and out of contention for the title with 5-6 games to go shouldnt be good enough and he should be sacked. This wont happen though as I think the glazers aim is still top 4 is good enough. If as the media states, they are quibbling over 10 mill euros - £8.5 mill for a WC CB then they really aint aiming for anything higher, just hoping.
 
devilish said:
United ended second in 2018 and won the EFL and the Europa league the year prior. Then the club poorly backed Mou, he wanted out and everything went down to a downward spiral after that.

Klopp inherited a team who ended up 6th the year before. It hasn't won the EFL since 2011-2012, FA cup since 2005-2006, the CL since 2004-2005, the UEFA since 2005 and the English Premier league since the 1990s.

We can therefore conclude that the United side inherited by Ole was far stronger then the one inherited by Klopp.
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You really need to get a life. Nobody should spend so long bitching about the manager:
 
devilish said:
United ended second in 2018 and won the EFL and the Europa league the year prior. Then the club poorly backed Mou, he wanted out and everything went down to a downward spiral after that.

Klopp inherited a team who ended up 6th the year before. It hasn't won the EFL since 2011-2012, FA cup since 2005-2006, the CL since 2004-2005, the UEFA since 2005 and the English Premier league since the 1990s.

We can therefore conclude that the United side inherited by Ole was far stronger then the one inherited by Klopp.
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Yes, but we probably agree Rodgers had something going on before Kloop arrived and I had a feeling Liverpool was on a more positive wave compared to the situation when Ole took over. Both the atmosphere and quality of the squad were in a downward trend. Ole has managed to turn it around and signed us on the race for PL Gold again.
 
georgipep said:
Since you're quoting teams that beat us in individual games... By the same logic Ole is better than Pep because we beat them?
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Not in a knock out stage right? We can celebrate the we beat City trophy but most times they went on to win the title.

Whenever it matters, Ole and his team fail.
 
Polar said:
Yes, but we probably agree Rodgers had something going on before Kloop arrived and I had a feeling Liverpool was on a more positive wave compared to the situation when Ole took over. Both the atmosphere and quality of the squad were in a downward trend. Ole has managed to turn it around and signed us on the race for PL Gold again.
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Not at the time he was sacked. He wasted most of the Suarez money after the slip season and had some embarrassing results like losing 6-1 to Stoke.
 
Polar said:
Yes, but we probably agree Rodgers had something going on before Kloop arrived and I had a feeling Liverpool was on a more positive wave compared to the situation when Ole took over. Both the atmosphere and quality of the squad were in a downward trend. Ole has managed to turn it around and signed us on the race for PL Gold again.
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He didn't.

The season they challenged for was thanks to Suarez exceptional performance, first and foremost, then Sterling and Sturridge.

They sold Suarez immediately in the summer after the season, then Sterling the next summer, and Sturridge became Phil Jones-esque injury prone.

The Liverpool Klopp inherited was absolute shit and no one ever imagined they will reach CL final 2 years later.
 
GMoore23 said:
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No mean feat. That would be a good season for any manager no?

So say we miss out on the title by 2 points so have had a really good title challenge but get knocked out of the CL group stage and lose in the FA cup final. That wouldn’t be good enough? It would be harsh to sack anyone after that.
 
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