My problem with De Gea is his refusal to try and sweep though. I trust him way more on 1 on 1s and for reflex saves, but Henderson helps us play higher up the pitch. I guess we're going with both again so we'll see how it turns out and its looking like De Gea will start the season. I'm interested to see how he fares. Do people think De Gea can be coached to come out and sweep more?
No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?
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I like the current situation a lot. I rate Henderson as a potential long term #1 and having DeGea there to push him to fulfil his potential is amazing. However I accept that DeGea will start season as #1 and it’s his place to keep with the pressure Hendo right there to keep him on his toes.
Both will now definitely stay.
Henderson is far away from 100% fitness.
Henderson is far away from 100% fitness.
The competition thing doesn’t work with GKs. A striker or winger who gets benched will get plenty of sub appearances to come on and show what they can do. A GK on a bench though might go weeks with no minutes at all. And the longer they go without minutes, the rustier and more mistake prone they become, so it’s a negative spiral.
Well, twice he came for a ball into the box, and both times he failed.
Manchester United boss Solskjaer hints that goalkeeper decision has been made
"David called me over the summer, and asked about coming in earlier and having less holiday because he wanted to be ready. For me that was a great message that ‘I am here to fight, I’m energised, I have looked at my situation and will give everything I can to be the best David de Gea'.
"We know the best possible David de Gea is probably the best goalkeeper in the world, and it looks like he's moving closer to that form. He’s in his 11th season here, what a servant we’ve had, and with his energy, pride and desire we’re very pleased with him - long may it continue."
Solskjaer revealed there will be significantly less goalkeeper rotation this season.
"You always want a settled first 11. You don’t need to chop and change your goalkeeper as much. When you’re a keeper, you don’t really run that much. It’s more mental energy with some physical."
"David called me over the summer, and asked about coming in earlier and having less holiday because he wanted to be ready. For me that was a great message that ‘I am here to fight, I’m energised, I have looked at my situation and will give everything I can to be the best David de Gea'.
"We know the best possible David de Gea is probably the best goalkeeper in the world, and it looks like he's moving closer to that form. He’s in his 11th season here, what a servant we’ve had, and with his energy, pride and desire we’re very pleased with him - long may it continue."
Solskjaer revealed there will be significantly less goalkeeper rotation this season.
"You always want a settled first 11. You don’t need to chop and change your goalkeeper as much. When you’re a keeper, you don’t really run that much. It’s more mental energy with some physical."
Thank God for that. De Gea is the far better goalie out of the two. Hendo isn’t good enough yet.
The problem with De Gea is that you can't trust him in a penalty shootout.
There's quite a high chance that winning the CL or FA Cup might depend on a shootout at some point.
There's quite a high chance that winning the CL or FA Cup might depend on a shootout at some point.
De Gea >
I get major Pickford vibes from Henderson
I get major Pickford vibes from Henderson
Full disclosure; I am actually a goal keeper and always have been. For that reason I think I've always had an eye for a good goalkeeper and of course an eye for the not so good goal keeper.
I think with DDG the problems are more mental and can be overcome. We know how good he can be and we just need him to remember that as well to get him back to his best. With Henderson I have no doubt at all that he is a good goalkeeper but I just don't think he has what it takes to be a great one.
Much like Foster, Heaton and how ever many United goalkeepers have went on to have decent careers I'm sure he will too. In fact I think is even a level above those nearly men we've had in the past and probably surpass their careers. I just don't think he'll be one of the best around and really that's what me need at United.
There's no point messing round rotating goalkeepers and Heaton is a capable enough understudy. There is no point letting Henderson stagnate so he should be moved on either on loan or sold. If DDG can get anywhere near back to his best he can give us a couple of years and let us look for the next top, top talent.
I think with DDG the problems are more mental and can be overcome. We know how good he can be and we just need him to remember that as well to get him back to his best. With Henderson I have no doubt at all that he is a good goalkeeper but I just don't think he has what it takes to be a great one.
Much like Foster, Heaton and how ever many United goalkeepers have went on to have decent careers I'm sure he will too. In fact I think is even a level above those nearly men we've had in the past and probably surpass their careers. I just don't think he'll be one of the best around and really that's what me need at United.
There's no point messing round rotating goalkeepers and Heaton is a capable enough understudy. There is no point letting Henderson stagnate so he should be moved on either on loan or sold. If DDG can get anywhere near back to his best he can give us a couple of years and let us look for the next top, top talent.
Henderson had a injury + covid therefore he will stay till January.
But of course one of them must go next season.
If I'm Henderson, I'd be livid at the club. He will have basically lost 2 whole seasons of not playing regular football. And we could have sold him for big money instead of giving him a first team 11 type of contract. 
Who the feck is going to pay a GK 100k+ in weekly wages? Absolute madness.
Who the feck is going to pay a GK 100k+ in weekly wages? Absolute madness.
Henderson will be just fine and DG can walk.
I’m all for Hendo. De Gea’s best days are behind him although he is still performing at a good level.
Considering we ideally need a proper defensive midfielder, we should be offloading Henderson, the fact that he can fetch a a decent fee above 20 million and has yet to convince fans or the coaching staff at the club that he is truly a better option than a de gea that is nowhere near his peak anymore tells ya that he is no long term solution as a no1 at united.
DDG's save vs Southampton was world class, it was his usual save that he pulled when needed prior 2019. If he can pull those one on one and the impossible saves again when needed and no mistakes then he will be no 1 again no doubt, Dean stands no chance.
If it's still the same DDG post 2018 or even last season DDG despite he was better than 19/20 and 18/19 DDG, Dean has decent chance to take his spot imo.
It all depends which DDG is turning up.
If it's still the same DDG post 2018 or even last season DDG despite he was better than 19/20 and 18/19 DDG, Dean has decent chance to take his spot imo.
It all depends which DDG is turning up.
Is it even a question anymore?
Should never have been a question. There is not a chance in hell Henderson would have made that save today.
De Gea has to be number one he is far superior to Henderson
I stand by my opinion that Henderson will be number 1 when back fit and given an opportunity . 2 good games from Dea Gea doesn’t change my mind but having said that David has the shirt now and I’ll be happy as Larry if he proves me wrong and keeps this form up. He has been a very good player for us.
For half people it isn't. Henderson, who still waits for first world class save in our shirt, is better
. Amazing, just amazing.For half people it isn't. Henderson, who still waits for first world class save in our shirt, is better
Oh but he is confident which somehow is enough for some people and counts more than any actual talent he might have
De Gea's to lose (again) you'd think.
I think were a better team with Henderson in goal even though DDG is a better keeper
Don't forget that he is "vocal and controls the area". Love that.
What does that even mean?
It means I trust DDG to make the saves over Henderson. But Henderson comes for crosses and is quicker with his distribution which helps us a bit more in the game
DDG is 2 levels above Henderson.
The problem is - it's much easier to remember that big mistake DeGea will make in 4-5-6 weeks which leads to a goal, than to remember all those superb saves that prevent the opponents from scoring a goal. I agree - Henderson is better than DeGea on set-pieces and when playing out from the back.
But the kind of saves DeGea made today - no other keeper in the P.L can do. And that is a kind of level Henderson will never reach.
The problem is - it's much easier to remember that big mistake DeGea will make in 4-5-6 weeks which leads to a goal, than to remember all those superb saves that prevent the opponents from scoring a goal. I agree - Henderson is better than DeGea on set-pieces and when playing out from the back.
But the kind of saves DeGea made today - no other keeper in the P.L can do. And that is a kind of level Henderson will never reach.
Do you have any evidence to support the last bit? Have we scored more goals from it, any goals at all? Not saying that distribution isn’t important, but Henderson isn’t really on Ederson’s level is he.
Just hope David doesn't feck it up.
When on his best, he's top 3 GK in the world.
He's a confidence player, if he's not on 100% confidence, you could smell it over TV let alone on the pitch.
When on his best, he's top 3 GK in the world.
He's a confidence player, if he's not on 100% confidence, you could smell it over TV let alone on the pitch.
You dont need to be Ederson levels to be better than DDG. And yes we have scored goals from it. Brunos volley from greenwoods cross last season was one from Hendersons quick throw to start the counter.
DDG makes quite a few bad passes to midfielders that have cost us goals too
De Gea locking it down
We can argue about how good he is today but the fact is he still will lose us a cup if it goes to penalties and we don't sub him off *shrugs*
He simply needs to practice saving pens vs Ronaldo, day in day out
He simply needs to practice saving pens vs Ronaldo, day in day out
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De Gea has the shirt until there's reason to take it off him.
Hendo can play the league cup/FA cup in the meantime.
Hendo can play the league cup/FA cup in the meantime.
All last season won more games, conceded less goals and kept more clean sheets win Henderson in goal. Not sure if more goals were scored but that's how it was the last time I checked.
If you look at De Gea in his last couple of games, still reluctant to leave his line to sweep or take crosses or corners. As an example, that double save today, he should have been claiming the cross, instead he's glued to his line, last season I don't know how many goals were conceded from these situations. He still doesn't look to make himself an option to take passes of his defenders and his distribution is still quite shit.
But he made a couple of decent saves so the obvious flaws in his game and the shit performances of the last 3 years are all of a sudden forgotten.
One of the better things about the start of this season has been De Gea's form.
Who knows if DDG will have a big wobble and lose his place at some point? Who knows if Henderson was going to be our no.1 until he got Long COVID? Anyway, DDG is our number 1 for now until there's a good reason to take the place away from him. I do hope that Ole gives Henderson plenty of opportunities so we can see just how good Henderson is. I'd play him in the cups and the Champions League group stage.
Who knows if DDG will have a big wobble and lose his place at some point? Who knows if Henderson was going to be our no.1 until he got Long COVID? Anyway, DDG is our number 1 for now until there's a good reason to take the place away from him. I do hope that Ole gives Henderson plenty of opportunities so we can see just how good Henderson is. I'd play him in the cups and the Champions League group stage.
Agree with this 100%, for most other professional goalkeepers that is a standard catch or punch away, yet against us it's a clear goalscoring opportunity because De Gea is rooted to the line as usual.
To be clear, I'm not saying it wasn't great reflexes for the follow up save, it was, and credit where it's due, but he's got lucky that the first header was straight at him, if it's headed anywhere else then he probably would have just stood and watched it go past him (as has happened on many many occasions before) and then our defenders would have taken all the blame.
I've been saying this for years now, and I stand by it, that double save yesterday is a perfect example of why he's so overrated in the first place. As I said, for most other keepers, a cross that close to the goal is one they would come and claim without much drama (and therefore attention on it), but against us then it's a basically a 50/50 chance of a goal depending on who wins the header, the attacker or the defender.
It's the equivalent of a fireman going around and putting out fires that they themselves have started and then getting labelled as the greatest fireman in the world.
We got lucky this time, but I can guarantee you that if De Gea is reinstated as our number one then our defence will always struggle overall because of his weakness in terms of commanding the box, no matter what defenders we start with. Pulling off the odd world class save every now and again just doesn't compensate for this major flaw in my opinion.
I genuinely hope he proves me wrong but I've been waiting 11 years for this to improve so it's hard to be optimistic about it.
Henderson isn't much better in the air. Better sweeping through balls, but a bit small and doesn't dominate his 6 yard box at corners & can be flappy in open play.
I agree DDG is weak in the air, but that doesn't mean Henderson is the answer. I still think there's a question whether Romero should have got the chance in the team ahead of him.
DDG undroppable right now. He's been great so far.
All the muppets voting for Henderson. Laughable. DDG ten years of experience. Absolute legend.