But.. But... He got the big calls right.... He nearly died from Covid.... He was a laugh on Have I Got News For You 20 years ago.... He says it how it is.... It was only a slice of birthday cake...
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Next PM | #NoMoBoJo | Still hanging around like a bad smell
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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Would you vote Tory? Or does that mean you'd vote Lib Dem?
I've never understood this "Labour would be worse" angle. They've not been in power for 12 years. It's like sitting in a house that's on fire and there's a house across the street. It's not visibly on fire, and you don't know what it's like inside, but you'd rather choose to sit and burn than find out what the other one is like.
It is this kind of attitude that will give Tories a win at the next election. Remember you are not voting for Starmer, you are voting for Labour and their approach to supporting and governing the country.
Never voted Conservatives. I never will.
Although my life has changed 360 degrees I will never forget my roots. The only time I have not voted for Labour was when Blair turned rogue.
Leaders have a massive sway on the policies of their party. I still feel guilty when I voted for Blair during his first election. The only regret I will have is not voting for a fantastic Labour MP we have in our local constituency.
Yeah, about the only reason I’m likely to still vote Labour in spite of the policies Keir puts forward is that I have full faith in my local MP.
360 degrees means you are right where you started. Perhaps you mean 180.
We can look forward to more of this if she becomes PM....joys....
I'm not voting or never have voted for the Conservatives.
But by not voting Labour because of who heads the party, I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to achieve. You’ve still, indirectly, made the conclusion that supporting labour is worse than the increased risk of a conservative government, ergo effectively supporting conservatives even if you don’t vote for them.
That question should be directed at the Labour party for making him the leader. I would be disappointed if we get another term of Conservatives but that's the unfortunate part.
Not really, it’s rightly directed to you. You might not like Kier, but you’re effectively saying you prefer a conservative government rather than a Kier led Labour government. It makes no sense at all, if your underlying beliefs are left Labour, because even a Kier led Labour Party aligns more to that than a Conservative one. So I still don’t know what you’re achieving.
I have reasons for not agreeing with Keir and its to do with our MP who I know personally and how some on the left of the party were treated. I would rather not go into details.
It is also up to a political party to come up with policies and ideas to make people vote for them, rather than criticising voters for choosing an alternative or not going to the polls. Labour has historically been far too keen to do the latter and not the former.
Absolutely.
I do understand that. And I agree. But there is a bigger picture here. Not voting will lead to a government which is even further away than what you’re looking for. That’s not to say you should flat out vote them no matter what, but it’s also not the right approach to think of it in isolation.
I won't be voting Labour at the next election because I think Starmer is shit. If the Tories win the next election, which they probably will, then thats on the Labour leadership.
Like the title. NoMoBoJo sounds like a Judoon to a Doctor Who nerd like me.
Truss vows to scrap remaining EU laws by end of 2023 risking ‘bonfire of rights’
Scale and complexity of task would be difficult in context of civil service cuts, say experts
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-vows-to-scrap-remaining-eu-laws-by-end-2023
Hundreds of laws covering employment and environmental protections could disappear overnight if Liz Truss becomes prime minister after she promised to scrap all remaining EU regulations by the end of 2023.
Despite warnings about the scale and complexity of the task, Truss launched her leadership runoff campaign by promising a “sunset” for all EU-derived laws within 15 months.
Attempting to position herself as the self-styled “Brexit-delivery prime minister”, Truss’s proposed timetable is notably accelerated from that given by Boris Johnson’s government.
Scale and complexity of task would be difficult in context of civil service cuts, say experts
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-vows-to-scrap-remaining-eu-laws-by-end-2023
Hundreds of laws covering employment and environmental protections could disappear overnight if Liz Truss becomes prime minister after she promised to scrap all remaining EU regulations by the end of 2023.
Despite warnings about the scale and complexity of the task, Truss launched her leadership runoff campaign by promising a “sunset” for all EU-derived laws within 15 months.
Attempting to position herself as the self-styled “Brexit-delivery prime minister”, Truss’s proposed timetable is notably accelerated from that given by Boris Johnson’s government.
I am terrified that Liz Truss will win this regardless of what she says and how unbelievably stupid she is.
She would be even worse/ more dangerous than Johnson and all because the Tory membership can’t bring itself to vote for someone that isn’t white.
We will be ruined by a minority bunch of racist shits.
She would be even worse/ more dangerous than Johnson and all because the Tory membership can’t bring itself to vote for someone that isn’t white.
We will be ruined by a minority bunch of racist shits.
If only someone had told that to those pinpointed in the Forde report.
As i understand it, he's effectively saying he has no faith in Keir Starmer or his Labour party.
The fact our political system is broken doesn't mean you have to vote for Labour or Conservative for ever. The parties can't take that for granted. This happened to the Tories when they lost circa 1 million votes to UKIP and to Labour in Scotland with the SNP.
Maybe Keir should add PR as a Labour policy. Maybe he should actually have some progressive policies.
I think you’re all missing the point. When a viable candidate comes up who better fits your agenda, then you definitely should vote for them. But until then, I genuinely don’t understand the logic because the reality is someone has to govern after the next general election. Which means by not voting, or not voting Labour, you’re de facto strengthening conservative chances. Unless you think Starmer’s Labour is as bad or worse than a conservative government, I’m not sure that approach makes sense.
Well I hope she breaks both her fecking legs doing it.
Yes, that is a dark stain on Labour and they need to sort it out. It shouldn't stop people voting for them. If you are not a tory, you should vote for whichever non Tory party has the best chance of winning in your constituency. I am a Labour supporter but if the greens or lib dems poll high enough in my area I will lend them my vote.
But that’s exactly what you’ve said? You’ve accused anyone of not voting for Keir to be supporting the conservatives.
The party has behaved horrifically towards anyone on the left as is being evidenced by the Forde Report (not that anyone is in the slightest surprised by any of the details) but you’re now telling those people to suck it up and support somebody who was A) complicit with that and B) who’s ‘policies’ are at odds with their beliefs and C) has already proven himself to be extremely untrustworthy by going back on literally every pledge he made to become leader!
As mentioned on the previous page, it’s highly unlikely that I don’t vote for them because my local MP is great, but it would entirely be in spite of Keir and his centre right chums leading the party. If Keir crashes and burns at the election I won’t be happy that the tories won, but I won’t be sad to see back of him in the slightest.
I just want to point out that turning 360 degrees means you haven't turned at all.
Spot on by Frankie Boyle:
Well no, we were already ruined by a (very large) selfish minority when 40-odd% of the adult population gave themselves yet another collective lobotomy and voted for "Get Brexit Dumb". This is just all the poisons that lurked in the mud hatching out.
She also might not last the term until the end of 2024 anyway of course. The ultimate King Log, but there's some seriously difficult times ahead for her you'd suspect.
Quite honestly at this stage the system has shown itself to be so corrupt that the binary choice isn't the bigger picture anymore. At some point you have to risk a bad outcome to cause change and refuse to be blackmailed.
The alternative in a two party state should be representative it shouldn't be self-constrained by none democratic forces working against itself.
I'll vote Labour if their policies meet my expectations OR if they push PR. If they lose it's on them for not being 'electable'.
My only hope is she is so bad, and she will be, that the Tory party implodes a bit like 1997, but I worry about how much irreparable damage she might do before that.
the ripping up of the EU laws she has already proposed (for the Tory base and not necessarily because she or anyone with a modicum of sense can actually believe is a good thing) and all the environmental protections that will go with that are a good example.
I haven’t said that. If there was a viable left opposition other than Starmer, then by all means voting them makes absolute sense.
I no doubt agree with the principle. The problem is, I don’t agree with the idea of losing would actually lead to change. An extreme example but look at the US. Let’s for argument say the left wing democrats who were disillusioned by Hilary and the centre part of the party ended up costing her VS Trump. Has it gotten better for them? Is it even better now that a democrat is in? I personally think where we are right now, the entire populous base has moved right wards because of division and very right leaders in recent times across the world. Before we can think about having the left policies we desire, you need to first reset that.