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I think both are terrible and Labour should easily win the next election.
Truss is a shambles, so I can see why you say that. But Sunak, to go along with his sense of entitlement, appears to have a rather short fuse and an intense dislike of being challenged. We've seen flashes of it already and I fully expect him to have a public meltdown at some point.
There’s no way the Red Wall take to Sunak like they did Boris.
I don't see truss doing any better than sunak either...
Last time I checked some polling, the Labour lead is weak as it’s still mostly people pissed off at the tories rather than voters buying into the labour project and Sunak has better polling than Starmer.
Sunak would be their best bet as he could get more liberal minded voters and maybe even pick off some of labour non white vote. But tbh even Truss could turn around the current view of her as people said the incompetence line when Boris got the gig.
The tories have a shrinking but solid base that can get up to 40% of the vote and a electoral map that favours them. Plus the current economic crisis is only going to get worse and will likely push reactionary home owners to rally about the party(Tories of course will use crisis to push more authoritarian measures).
Sunak would be their best bet as he could get more liberal minded voters and maybe even pick off some of labour non white vote. But tbh even Truss could turn around the current view of her as people said the incompetence line when Boris got the gig.
The tories have a shrinking but solid base that can get up to 40% of the vote and a electoral map that favours them. Plus the current economic crisis is only going to get worse and will likely push reactionary home owners to rally about the party(Tories of course will use crisis to push more authoritarian measures).
Agree with all of that. The only reason a Labour Government feels more likely at the moment is that the Tories have been so bad at getting rid of Johnson and are somehow all campaigning against the last 12 years' of Tory rule. People have short memories though, and Labour are offering nothing. Well, that's not true. They are promising to be less bad at governing than Johnson and they will only be slightly less mean to trans women. And they will spend money wisely.
Correct, but the members will pick Truss and lose the next election.
Lovely
Yep agree. It feels like the labour crash the economy line has really ran out of steam.
Although as you said people have short memories and they could easily pin it on Boris and present the new leader as a clean break(In the same way Boris was seen as clean break from the May and Cameron years). The current Labour leadership having played into this, as most of Starmer attacks have been about the moral failing of the PM.
God it really is bleak currently atm. There was some yougov polling today showing that transphobia is on the rise which I’m sure is only going to push the leadership more to the right.
True re: Sunak. But we have only seen a small glimpse of that. He may be able to hide it. But with Truss we know she is a full on gaff prone weirdo!
I thought it was unanimously understood that Truss is, objectively, a moron. Yet, I’ve heard multiple radio interviews today with members of the public that seemingly aren’t on the same page. I don’t understand why they can’t see what I can see. 
The issue with Truss is she can't read a script and she can't speak naturally so the plan will have to be pre-recorded footage only.
I thought it was unanimously understood that Truss is, objectively, a moron. Yet, I’ve heard multiple radio interviews today with members of the public that seemingly aren’t on the same page. I don’t understand why they can’t see what I can see.
Because they're probably more moronic than she is. And they've been 'processed' by the Daily Mail
I thought it was unanimously understood that Truss is, objectively, a moron. Yet, I’ve heard multiple radio interviews today with members of the public that seemingly aren’t on the same page. I don’t understand why they can’t see what I can see.
It's more likely that impression has been made by the other MPs singing her praises. They're going round promising tax cuts so that's always going to be popular to the Tory base.
Has anyone noticed that Rishi Sunak has clearly had some public speaking coaching recently.
He’s became a lot more expressive with his hands and just looks so awkward and slightly robotic to be honest. Doesn’t come natural to him at all, getting Ed Milliband vibes.
He’s became a lot more expressive with his hands and just looks so awkward and slightly robotic to be honest. Doesn’t come natural to him at all, getting Ed Milliband vibes.
He's got the charisma of a used condom. Truss isn't any better either. Kemi seemed to be the most charismatic of the lot tbh.
She was 19 then, I don't think there's anything to get from that, not really. I'm sure some Tories will try very hard, though.
The implication was the innate prejudice of Tory members.
If they are electing the person they think is best for the job it disproves this. As was stated above, this means either Labour have never had a credible female leader or they are more prejudiced. Either of those is damning.
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Yes he does. But if it was only charisma, why get rid of Boris.
Just to be clear, I have no leaning for either Sunak or Truss.
Both poor.
Saw a few polls and visits to Conservative clubs.
Surely this is an easy win for Truss amongst the party members?
Very much seems so
Surely this is an easy win for Truss amongst the party members?
Very much seems so
I don't think the Tory membership has ever been able to actually vote for a female leader until now. I think both May and Thatcher were voted for by Tory MP's. When Thatcher won I don't think members had a say. When May won everyone else was either eliminated or withdrew prior to the membership getting a vote.
- Truss claimed her tax cuts would bring down inflation. She said: “My tax cuts will decrease inflation.” When it was put to her that most leading economists think they would be inflationary, she cited Patrick Minford as an economist who supports her view.
It's all quite funny until you remember rapid inflation, energy crisis, need for leadership on climate change, war in Eastern Europe etc etc. We're experiencing what I would say are unprecedented challenges in how the world is changing and we have giant douche or turd sandwich to navigate us through.
Do the Marxists use it, along with racism? Not sure @Striker10 ever gave us his wisdom on transphobia. Wonder what he makes of Truss v Sunak?
The political class on the right realised a while ago now that having people of colour in positions of power isn't a problem as long as the individuals in question toe an ideological line and have no intention of persuing policies that would benefit those communities at large. In fact, they've realised that it's often quite useful optically.
The swivel-eyed loons of the Tory membership aren't that astute or pragmatic. Without overwhelming backing from the likes of Mogg, Johnson etc. which he isn't going to get, Sunak will struggle to win them over, even when the alternative is Truss.
The swivel-eyed loons of the Tory membership aren't that astute or pragmatic. Without overwhelming backing from the likes of Mogg, Johnson etc. which he isn't going to get, Sunak will struggle to win them over, even when the alternative is Truss.
The first bit is spot on. The right absolutely love the 'right kind' of POC or even immigrants. In their mind they lose very little ideologically whilst 'proving' they are not prejudiced. The second paragraph im not so sure on.
Interesting.
Liz Truss's box contained a small bottle of milk in recognition of Thatcher, a block of cheddar and a pork chop.
Don't forget the apple.
What's this, "I'm brown but I empathise with the sunburnt populous!"
To be fair, I'm not so sure on the second paragraph either. I'm certain there is a significant portion of the Tory membership who, whether consciously or unconsciously, would be uncomfortable with the idea of a non-white Prime Minister. The Tory membership is way more "socially conservative" (to use a diplomatic term) than the population at large.
The question is how prevalent that attitude is within the membership, and how much Truss makes it obvious between now and then that she'd be an absolute liability who would likely tank the next election.
Liz Truss says Tory economic policy choked growth
The economic policies of previous Conservative and Labour governments over 20 years have not delivered growth, Tory leadership candidate Liz Truss has said.
Ms Truss has criticised tax increases introduced by her rival Rishi Sunak, arguing they "choked off" growth.
But ex-chancellor Mr Sunak has promised to cut taxes and unleash economic growth once inflation came down.
Tory MPs chose the pair to enter the run-off to be the next prime minister.
Economic policy has become the main battleground as the rivals battle to win over the party's members, who will vote for their preferred candidate from next month.
The party's roughly 160,000 members will vote online or by post, with a final result due in September, when Prime Minister Boris Johnson will leave office.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62250027
Liz Truss has been a Government MP for 12 years and voted for every Tory budget in that period.
The economic policies of previous Conservative and Labour governments over 20 years have not delivered growth, Tory leadership candidate Liz Truss has said.
Ms Truss has criticised tax increases introduced by her rival Rishi Sunak, arguing they "choked off" growth.
But ex-chancellor Mr Sunak has promised to cut taxes and unleash economic growth once inflation came down.
Tory MPs chose the pair to enter the run-off to be the next prime minister.
Economic policy has become the main battleground as the rivals battle to win over the party's members, who will vote for their preferred candidate from next month.
The party's roughly 160,000 members will vote online or by post, with a final result due in September, when Prime Minister Boris Johnson will leave office.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62250027
Liz Truss has been a Government MP for 12 years and voted for every Tory budget in that period.
Honestly I would happily read a monthly political update from him.
Guaranteed he thinks NATO are evil and Putin is trying to fight the globalists in Ukraine.
"Liz Truss will later today reveal her campaign slogan as she attempts to woo Conservative Party members.
The BBC has learnt that a battle bus bearing the slogan "Truss The Process" has been commissioned and is set to start touring Tory strongholds in England and Wales. The campaign will be documented by an Amazon film crew for their new feature documentary "All or Nothing: Liz Truss" set to air in late 2023."
The BBC has learnt that a battle bus bearing the slogan "Truss The Process" has been commissioned and is set to start touring Tory strongholds in England and Wales. The campaign will be documented by an Amazon film crew for their new feature documentary "All or Nothing: Liz Truss" set to air in late 2023."
My guess would be his take is that both NATO and Putin are mere puppets controlled by a larger force.
