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MUST | Sign For United | Fan Ownership
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I think it's a great idea.
It all depends on when (if?) the Glazers bring the plan to fruition, and my financial situation at that time, but I'm certainly interested in purchasing shares in the club.
I'm no Tom Cato with his 100-120k - more like 120p as things stand - but every penny counts.
It all depends on when (if?) the Glazers bring the plan to fruition, and my financial situation at that time, but I'm certainly interested in purchasing shares in the club.
I'm no Tom Cato with his 100-120k - more like 120p as things stand - but every penny counts.
Ideas as in?
Even if it's only a novelty, you could prob make a few dollars from them 
If I had 100k to spare I probably wouldn’t invest it in the glazers tbh.
Maybe I do not fully understand the proposal, but I cannot see how this proposal alters anything.
To get any fan control will cost £2B in shares purchases. Also all the individual shareholders would have to be of the same mind to overturn any proposal by the Glazer's. You cannot get members of CAF to agree, so what chance.
To get any fan control will cost £2B in shares purchases. Also all the individual shareholders would have to be of the same mind to overturn any proposal by the Glazer's. You cannot get members of CAF to agree, so what chance.
You get my vote. Now we need to decide who gives you the wet willy, as is tradition
This won't be an investment decision for me but an emotional outlay to see if the collective fan group can really constitute a sizeable stake / corner enough shares with voting rights to have a say.
I'm buying if this happens.
I'm buying if this happens.
You know zeroes are worth nothing so add a few on to what you have, make it twelve figures and buy the whole shebang with enough over for a kebab!
Do not touch with a barge pole. Think about the mechanics behind this - Glazers have come in, loaded us with debt and taken advantage of the club's legacy to build a commercial behemoth, there is major fan discontent and they are playing us like a fiddle after they just lost billions from the failed ESL breakaway.
I don't know what percentage of shares they are going to give away, but if it is anything chunky, I wonder if this might be part of a stepped disposal of Manutd for the Glazers.
It is a smarter way of selling a club like Manchester United. Trying to sell the whole lot in one go comes with the risk of a drop in the share price, but a disposal carried out over time could mitigate this to maximise returns on the investment.
It would be almost impossible to sell their current shareholding in one go to a single investor, so this could be the start them dropping out.
It is a smarter way of selling a club like Manchester United. Trying to sell the whole lot in one go comes with the risk of a drop in the share price, but a disposal carried out over time could mitigate this to maximise returns on the investment.
It would be almost impossible to sell their current shareholding in one go to a single investor, so this could be the start them dropping out.
This is also clearly a "jump before we're pushed" move on their behalf.
Outlining their intention to enable the fans to have more involvement within the club just in time for when an independent regulator is on the scene. No doubt they will have been thoroughly advised on this and will have a trick or two up their sleeve to ensure that this move will ultimately not have a significant impact on their ability to milk the shit out of us.
This has the potential to kill a potential Super League from ever happening but really the government should be the one's to have the possibility of that type of feckery nipped in the bud anyway.
I'll invest 1.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 into that kebab idea
I could be wrong but my understanding is that the fan shareholders will vote as a block so you will likely be required to let MUST or someone vote in a proxy fashion.
Steep for money to burn. Surely the Caf can come up with a better investment opportunity for you
You get my vote. Now we need to decide who gives you the wet willy, as is tradition
Here's a model that might work because all this fairytale talk about shares being offered and having actual say about how the club is run day-to-day is kind of nonsense. They wouldn't relinquish that amount of control.
https://www.packers.com/community/shareholders
https://www.packers.com/community/shareholders
I would rather support City than have Must involved in owning United
Nostalgia. I remember buying a share in 2005 through Must when the glazers were taking over.
Please don't get involved in this. I did earlier on and never would I ever get involved with anything to do with MUST.
If ever digital media could show it's power, trying to crowd fund a purchase with a certified trust would be levels of unheard legend
What’s up with MUST guys? They seem to be pretty divisive. I wasn’t following online during the takeover so I’m sure I’ve missed some stuff there.
if there are enough suckers driving up MU to a valuation of 10B, I am sure they will sell.
Frankly, I’m actually very surprised they would offer this.
There is no reason to do this from a company structure standpoint. I have three companies and investors have non voting shares, and are willing to take it, given the the returns we throw off.
The volume of the voice MUST will have will really depend on the amount of shares they offer to the trust. In cases where additional capital is required to grow the business, you offer a larger “voice” or shares.
At the end of the day, sitting on the board and privy to all of the financials, you begin to realize that those running the biz may not be idiots, but rather have a lot of challenges.
A seat on the board is a BIG deal IMHO, because voicing the fan’s concern is an immense opportunity. That said, most members on the board will be concerned about profits and shareholder value.
I am in no way a shill for the Glazers... feel free to check back thru my posts. But understand that the world of finance is different from the football pitch. But BOTH wars need to be won for us to be successful as a club.
There is no reason to do this from a company structure standpoint. I have three companies and investors have non voting shares, and are willing to take it, given the the returns we throw off.
The volume of the voice MUST will have will really depend on the amount of shares they offer to the trust. In cases where additional capital is required to grow the business, you offer a larger “voice” or shares.
At the end of the day, sitting on the board and privy to all of the financials, you begin to realize that those running the biz may not be idiots, but rather have a lot of challenges.
A seat on the board is a BIG deal IMHO, because voicing the fan’s concern is an immense opportunity. That said, most members on the board will be concerned about profits and shareholder value.
I am in no way a shill for the Glazers... feel free to check back thru my posts. But understand that the world of finance is different from the football pitch. But BOTH wars need to be won for us to be successful as a club.
DD has always struck me as the same as most people who want to lead these type of organisations - a bit of an egotist.
I think we'd have reached this point and had greater engagement with the club years earlier if not for MUST to be quite honest. Don't get me wrong this is 100% on the Glazers but MUST have always been far more vehemently hard-line than the majority of supporters and over the years I don't think that's helped bridge the divide.
I know fans need to be represented by groups for practical reasons but I do think MUST/Drasdo have let us down and at various times over the years put their own promotion/ego over representing the fans.
I know fans need to be represented by groups for practical reasons but I do think MUST/Drasdo have let us down and at various times over the years put their own promotion/ego over representing the fans.
Yep seems a great idea.
I would advocate every supporter at every other club buys shares and take control of Man Utd
Seriously it seems to me a classic PR move that on the surface seems a great idea but as they say the proof of the pudding and all that
I would advocate every supporter at every other club buys shares and take control of Man Utd
Seriously it seems to me a classic PR move that on the surface seems a great idea but as they say the proof of the pudding and all that
It reminds me of when my granddad, who was a staunch socialist, used to prey every day for Maggie's death yet gleefully bought shares in British Gas
Same, get that vibe from him too.
What were you (and other people) expecting? I hope it's not that the owners would just donate half of the club to fans? Or if they will sell shares at lower than market prices?
it’s not irrelevant if someone is pushing the share price up surely?
It’s nearly always the way. United fans are also a notoriously hard bunch to get to agree on even the more simple stuff as our online fans come from all over the world and all walks of life. I wonder how the local fans view MUST?
How much could realistically be raised this way? And how much would be needed to gain a controlling stake - assuming there is no actual limit which is doubtful?
Why?
I wish I knew more about it. It’ll all hopefully become clearer in the next few days what their actual plan is. I can imagine there’ll be massive worldwide interest in shares with potential voting power and representation at board level. It could also all just be a PR stunt/crude cash grab from the glazers. They sell a billions worth of shares but still have veto.
Why are the Glazers talking to MUST about this scheme and apparently not directly to the Fan's Forum, or are MUST now representing the Fans Forum?
I believe a lot of the MUST original members were ex-United shareholders (prior to Glazers takeover) and so probably have more collective knowledge about share dealings etc., but surely its the Fans Forum (of which MUST is only one member) who should be driving this?
I believe a lot of the MUST original members were ex-United shareholders (prior to Glazers takeover) and so probably have more collective knowledge about share dealings etc., but surely its the Fans Forum (of which MUST is only one member) who should be driving this?
We are not being run well. That much is obvious even to a blind man who's got sound-cancelling headphones on 24/7.
One of the key things in running a company is making sure you have the right tools for the job. We have a leaking stadium that's not been upgraded for years which has also cost us money. Just a few weeks ago, the swimming pool was unavailable. Our senior women's team coach left because of our poor facilities. These are things directly linked to making our resources work the best for the Manchester United, the football club and the business.
On the transfer side, we are slow, make awfully expensive purchases, have no long-term strategy. Our contract renewals are a complete joke. Once again, this is because we lack specialists in those roles, who know our industry (i.e. the sport of football) well.
All this bullshit about running United being difficult is just a load of nonsense. We're not struggling financially. We can easily go and appoint a few good people that will cost us - at most - £5-10m a year but will probably pay that investment off in a matter of months when we don't sign the Harry Maguires of this world for stupid money.
The way people go on about running businesses on here, you'd think you'd need to be some sort of modern-day genius. You don't and this is espically true with the resources and stature we have at our club.