How are we improving? The last two league games we dropped points to Southampton at home and fluked a win against a poor Stoke side. We've been crap so far in every single game except Swansea.
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How are we improving? The last two league games we dropped points to Southampton at home and fluked a win against a poor Stoke side. We've been crap so far in every single game except Swansea.
I think we will beat Arsenal.
Ah we're grand. 
We hardly fluked a win against Stoke. Is there not a case for taking a glass half full perspective on that game - it was more like a Ferguson era win - come back from behind, win when playing badly, thats the stuff that makes us champions.
We've been good in 2 of the European games, we've been good in a few of the league games, We didn't deserve to lose against Liverpool, and we didn't fluke a win against Stoke, they fluked the lead against us twice.
We've had the hardest set of opening fixtures in my memory. We've just won three game on the bounce, two quite comfortably and one a Fergie style comeback. The team are creating more and more chances each game.
We are improving.
I admire the optimism but I do think some of you are letting results conceal cracks.
We were absolutely woeful against Stoke.
We were absolutely woeful against Stoke.
We were shite against Stoke, yes.
But it was nothing new, we were shite for large parts last season and still managed to come out on top. It's usually a good sign when you get a result whilst not playing well, no?
We've been letting results conceal the cracks for the last 6/7 years. It hasn't served us too badly
Not really when we've not played well in the league the whole season. It's a nonsense talk when people claim that playing shit is somehow a good indication if you end up winning.
Mass optimism in this thread...that's new
Winning when playing poorly in the league is crucial to any title challenge. Arsenal and City have yet to do it. Ourselves and Chelsea have.
Jesus lads, I admire the optimism. But the last time we predicted maximum points from a run of "easy" games we started off with a loss to WBA at home.
There are too many flaws in the squad to be sure about what will happen in any given game.
I think more than ever, and I don't care about the cliches, we need to just take it one game at a time and not worry about our self-proclaimed rivals.
I'm just hoping we make it through to January in a decent position and we buy a player to fill out midfield. Although January is a bad time for that...
There are too many flaws in the squad to be sure about what will happen in any given game.
I think more than ever, and I don't care about the cliches, we need to just take it one game at a time and not worry about our self-proclaimed rivals.
I'm just hoping we make it through to January in a decent position and we buy a player to fill out midfield. Although January is a bad time for that...
I bet Hull and Villa have also won some games while playing poorly.
I'd very much argue that playing well most of the time instead of being crap all the time is a more probable and much better way to win trophies.
We do need to take it one game at a time your right. Starting with Fulham. As I said earlier it is a key game now in terms of momemtum. Beat them (and lets face it we have to beat them) and then turn over Arsenal and optimism levels will soar...
Just as much nonsense when people refuse to accept that the team are playing better and the management seem to be making better decisions.
We were shite but nothing on what we witnessed on that first half against Stoke, I can't recall another performance where the team looked so shit in .. basically all over the pitch. It was awful, especially against fecking Stoke who can barely score a goal.
We also may have 'come out on top' but we did not manage to do that against WBA or Southampton.
People are being very optimistic here, which is good, but it's going to be a rocky season and I predict a few more WBA's along the way.
I agree with you one this. That said, scraping results is an important thing to have in the locker. I'm predicting a much improved United carrying on from the last few games.
I stopped being negative when Gary Neville said Moyes wouldn't be going anywhere. If that's the case, which I suspect it is, there's no point in not being positive.
We can be positive about the future, and I've gone from not wanting Moyes here to being pretty defensive about him on the forum and wanting him to succeed amidst all the hysterical reactions from posters, but this isn't a great squad, I think Hansen was pretty spot on when he said that RvP and Rooney mask a lot of the problems we have. We've an average midfield, a defense with players either past their peak or yet to reach it, and misfiring wingers.
I think we'll get top four but I predict many bumps along the way and I don't think it'll necessarily be Moyes fault if/when there are, because he's made a load of good decisions (transfer window aside) here so far, in terms of players picked/dropped, who we've held on to etc.
Also, the only way is up.
Technically the only way is level really cause we can't do better than 1st, which is where we were least season
I honestly believe that if we solidify the midfield and bring in a new left back we will look a top top squad once again.
Contrary to what you are saying, I think a lot of poor individual performances and a weak midfield are masking over a really good squad.
I think we need the players to come in so we can play the way Moyes wants us to. And to be honest, I don't know what players they are as I don't know what way Moyes wants us to play...
That's still a lot of investment though, you're looking at 2-3 players. I also think we'll need another winger here if Valencia doesn't manage to get back to his peak and Nani is phased out of the club by the hate of the fans.
I don't see it as a really good squad right now, I think it potentially is, there's a lot of young talent that won't peak for a few years yet, we've a great GK and an amazing strikeforce, but there's quite a bit of work to do with it yet to get it up there with the elite of Europe again.
I think we need to give Fabio a fair shot at left back. Midfield, well, everyone's been saying for years we need something injected there.
What works in our favour, although perhaps not at present, is that we have a good number of young players who look like they'll come good soon enough.
I think we have one winger too many at the club now, so if we do lose Valencia/Nani/Young we should get a few quid to reinvest from them.
I have no doubt that the money will be made available for the players we need in January/Summer. The full back spot isn't a priority, but midfield as per usual is. I don't think Moyes will be as hesitant in the next few windows as he'll have had more time to scout the players he wants. The backline once settled is good enough and the strike force is one of the worlds best. We have Kagawa and Januzaj who have potential to go to that truly elite bracket and tons of experience in the side.
Really, we're not far away.
Even if we give Fabio a chance we'll also need cover for him when Evra goes back to france.
I don't want to see Nani go anywhere, and out of Valencia and Young, I know which one I'd keep but who would take him off our hands? Newcastle, Fulham, or maybe Villa or West Ham? He won't command anything like the fee we paid for him and then there's his wages.
Nani just signed a five year contract, don't see him going anywhere.
This is all true. I'd actually be very happy to keep TonyV. He's a good character and will always be a decent option As for Young, he's got another 18 months (iirc) on the contract so we may be able to move him on next summer if he wants to strike another decent deal for himself elsewhere. We'll not recoup much, but we might get a few million for him.
Young's the obvious choice to go because he's a squad player picking up the salary of a key first teamer whilst also restricting the game time/growth of younger players. I'd honestly rather give Fabio a run on the left in the League Cup than play Young there. And then there's the likes of Welbeck whose games will have to come there given the form/quality (delete as applicable) of the players we have up front.
Wages will be the problem as I reckon a fair few teams like the ones Moriarty suggests would snap him up for ~10m given that he's English
Wages will be the problem as I reckon a fair few teams like the ones Moriarty suggests would snap him up for ~10m given that he's English
We'll see, we've a lot of senior players past their peak, or close to doing so, we've a lot of talented youngsters but they're a while away from their peak yet, I think it'll take 2-3 years for us to become great again.
True, Buttner is decent cover, though. If we were to buy I'd say buy a young player who won't expect to play too often.
First team players near or past their peak
Giggs - Rio - Evra - Valencia - Vidic
Of those I think we have plenty of cover at centre back with the three lads fighting it out. At left back Fabio should be fighting in, but we may need investment there. Zaha and Januzaj could be Giggs and Valencia's replacement and they wont take long to get there for my money.
Giggs has been past it for about ten years now. 
Agree with this.
We also need to think about Carrick's future. Its rare you get centre midfielders playing as many games as he does into their 30s in two man centre midfields.
Jesus H Christ man, don't bring up Carrick's impending drop off. I was getting somewhere with my optimism.
We can cope with the players mentioned above, but not Carrick, we really need to prepare for his impending decline, which I think is coming soon because we've overused him in the last few years.
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