Moyes So Far!
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I think you can when every man and his dog knows Rafael is better at RB.
That said, his changes did the job and helped the team today. Long may it continue
Moyes needs to take the brunt of the responsibility and if he turns things around...all the credit. There was no excuse for us to start with the squad we did.
I'm not trying to be negative but the substitutions today were pretty much neccesary and didn't really require much nous or game thought. It was a case of "nothing is working so lets just throw everything at it, including the kitchen sink." It is something Ferguson did on countless occassions. Credit to him for gambling but to be honest he fecking needed to, he can't go into his shell or he will never emerge.
The thing that really worries me is I genuinely have no idea how he wants this side to play? Every new manager in the Premier League this season appears to be transferring their ideas onto the pitch, Martinez, Pellegrini, Mourinho. I just don't see anything with him, anything that I can pin down and say "that is due to David Moyes." The training may be different but the football and tactical setup is just directionless and at times completely desperate. It's almost like he has simply told the players to go out and just play and see what happens. He is literally living on a prayer in every game and does not look settled at all.
The thing that really worries me is I genuinely have no idea how he wants this side to play? Every new manager in the Premier League this season appears to be transferring their ideas onto the pitch, Martinez, Pellegrini, Mourinho. I just don't see anything with him, anything that I can pin down and say "that is due to David Moyes." The training may be different but the football and tactical setup is just directionless and at times completely desperate. It's almost like he has simply told the players to go out and just play and see what happens. He is literally living on a prayer in every game and does not look settled at all.
It's quite amazing how today's game was nearly a mirror image of last week in regards to his subs. Bringing on two wingers and a striker for a right back, CM and winger.
Obviously he had no choice but to go for it but he did it. Hopefully that'll be more common from us now rather than bitching out and trying to sit on 1-0.
Obviously he had no choice but to go for it but he did it. Hopefully that'll be more common from us now rather than bitching out and trying to sit on 1-0.
I mean there are too many things to change and improve at Utd for Moyes to be able to make an easy transition from SAF. The result was great but the main issues remain the same.
It'll be interesting to see what his substitutions will be in a match similar to Southampton. Today, like you said, the situation forced him to do something drastic.
I reckon Moyes didn't actually realise just how far we have drifted away from the best teams in Europe, and how much work is needed to get us back there.
We have two novice first team coaches basically learning on the job. . That's his biggest mistake
The Fellaini transfer is partly why we ended up in such a mess today. Had we spent that £27.5 million on someone who was an obvious upgrade to what we had already we might not be relying on Cleverley and Giggs to have one of their good days while our big buy warms the bench.
That being said I agree with this. He did go for it. Some might say it was forced on him by what Hughesy said yesterday but he's shown negativity in the past, not bringing on Chico when we badly needed goals, and he could've reverted to type today but he didn't. Lets pray its not the last time...
...and that we get, at the very least, a number 8 of real quality in January. Cup tied or not!
Moyes made a big mistake. £27m on a CM, who can't get in our non existent CM.
Why not? I think by the summer Moyes will have seen enough to make his mind up on the squad. There'll be players departing for sure so he can mould the team his own way.
we are two quality midfielders short tbh. we have some quality players coming through like Powell and Pearson...though we cannot wait on them.
Moyes was the only person on the planet that thought he had a chance of getting Fabregas over the summer and it has fecked everything up. You have to scratch your head and wonder there was no plan B. And I guess the awful dated Sam Alardyce tactics that we are playing these days are down to not have a proper central midfielder who can control the tempo and open things up....There's going to be plently more horror results until January and I am certain when our next defeat comes then some people will start calling for Moyes head but......If he can get the players we need in January then he can turn it around for sure
Some of the problems might be down to Moyes. Maybe he isn't as great a motivator as Fergie was. But is it all down to him? Haven't people been saying for a couple of years that we had an issue with the midfield? At least, some people did. Others insisted that what we had was good enough, when it plainly isn't/wasn't. So some of the responsibility has to lie with the Glazers, with Woodward, and possibly Fergie although I still don't know if his hands were tied in relation to transfers.
He picked the team everyone wanted today, and it played terribly. He then made the completely correct substitutions (which he didn't do vs Southampton).
It's all a learning game for him, I just hope he does it quickly!
It's all a learning game for him, I just hope he does it quickly!
lets be honest...about the whole Fabregas fiasco...why should we be in for players who we have not 'tapped up'. It may be against the rules...but that is the reality.
Moyes may be too 'by the books'. Hope he learns and taps up Barkley and one or two others.
Moyes may be too 'by the books'. Hope he learns and taps up Barkley and one or two others.
He picked the right team but it just doesn't appear that he or his coaches are drilling them tactically as they all looked fecking clueless. It's okay picking the attacking players everyone wants to see but players need to be coached and told what there roles are.....I didn't see any evidence of that today it was just a mushy mess of confusion and desperation.
excellent from Moyes today - Fergie-esque with the subs and all of them were positive and the right moves
could have replaced Smalling earlier but the great thing is he's learning about being Manchester United manager and taking risks
we are almost at our best when we are chasing a team down and his subs enabled us to do that
now if he can get Johnny Evans to defend and Chris Smalling to do something positive in an attacking sense.......
could have replaced Smalling earlier but the great thing is he's learning about being Manchester United manager and taking risks
we are almost at our best when we are chasing a team down and his subs enabled us to do that
now if he can get Johnny Evans to defend and Chris Smalling to do something positive in an attacking sense.......
Smalling will never be a viable option at right-back. Neither will Jones. Both look uncomfortable when played there and offer feck all offensively.
Apart from smalling at right back, and if you look at the first goal it was completely his fault. Unsettled us for the rest of the game. The amount of times arnautovic got by him on that wing forced our other defenders to play worse IMO. One bad selection really can make a huge difference. Only thing you could blame moyes for would be waiting so long to take off smalling IMO who was the cause of pretty much all of our problems. Was awful defensively, and did nothing going forward.
Was Rafael injured today? I doubt that Stoke winger would have found it so easy against him. I've noticed that when Smalling is beaten, he tends to run back towards the middle, leaving the right-sided centre back to pick up the forward. He hasn't got the turn of pace to recover and that's not something you want in a full back. I wouldn't play Jones there either for similar reasons. Also, what's happened to Fabio? I thought he could play on either side.
FFS there is zero chance of him being sacked anytime soon, talk of him being sacked is just idiotic.
Another couple of defeats to mid table teams before january and most on here will be calling for it and you know that but.....he will be given time for sure unless something drastic happens and right now you just never know
Early days mate. It's been 9 games in the PL.
there is plenty that want his head now, not only on Facebook but United fans I know that I thought would know better.
I disagree about most on here, there will be some but nowhere near most.
Glad that this win takes some pressure off of him. What he needs to do though is make sure we aren't as open at the back and in midfield defensively. Its too easy for teams to walk through us right now. I just hope we can continue to win in order to get the press off his back. I still think Moyes needs time to mold this team to his liking.
I'm just hoping our slow start has something to do with Moyes' new training methods, and not a more long term problem. His Everton sides always started slow, especially in the early years of his tenure. Then after January things improved drastically. If we can dig results out and stay in the hunt til new year, perhaps we'll see a big improvement.
Of what? If this team wins the league, the loaves and the fishes will have competition.
The big positive today is the changes he made. We were struggling, he made the right substitutions and we turned it around.
Also, I had no issues with his starting XI apart from Smalling at RB. That won't do. He should get rid of the idea that Smalling is viable option as an RB. If Rafael needs a rest, use his brother. Or Valencia. Or, in a crisis, Jones. Not Smalling. He simply doesn't have the skills for it. We can't go from having an offensively brilliant fullback to having an offensively challenged one from one match to the other.
Still, we got the points in the end. If we can get some points out of it while Moyes gets these boys to play some football together, I'm not complaining.
Also, I had no issues with his starting XI apart from Smalling at RB. That won't do. He should get rid of the idea that Smalling is viable option as an RB. If Rafael needs a rest, use his brother. Or Valencia. Or, in a crisis, Jones. Not Smalling. He simply doesn't have the skills for it. We can't go from having an offensively brilliant fullback to having an offensively challenged one from one match to the other.
Still, we got the points in the end. If we can get some points out of it while Moyes gets these boys to play some football together, I'm not complaining.
Pretty much this. And loved his smiling face at the end, had forgotten that it existed.
Moyes has started to realize that it was a big mistake to bring in fellaini here. he was productive at everton because he was playing as a second striker and the plan was to launch the ball from the back to him. he is very good at winning headers and causing havoc in the penalty box when the ball is in the air.
at united he is never going to be playing as a second striker (and he was playing there at citeh!) and he is definitely not good enough to play in central midfield for us. his passing is very limited, he is not creative, he is slow,not the most mobile, and from the first few appearance with united, it is proven that he is not a tough nut as we all thought.
it might be too early to tell, but this seems to be a very expensive mistake from moyes. we are not going to recoup anything near from that value if we sell him, not even half i suspect.
i just hope moyes will learn from this and get us someone better this january or next summer.
Cannot pretend I wasn't panicking today.
Conceding 2 and trailing Stoke for ages? One of the least threatening away sides ever?
We got away with one today, otherwise the pressure on Moyes would have been ramping up to monumental levels.
Fellaini is a real conundrum to fix.
can only see it working if we have 2 wingers in storming form, and Rooney dropping deeper.
Conceding 2 and trailing Stoke for ages? One of the least threatening away sides ever?
We got away with one today, otherwise the pressure on Moyes would have been ramping up to monumental levels.
Fellaini is a real conundrum to fix.
can only see it working if we have 2 wingers in storming form, and Rooney dropping deeper.
So apart from being clueless in the transfer market, not being able to get his championship winning team to perform anywhere near the level required, being tactically rigid and his masterplan being cross as many times as possible and if that fails hit it long and rely on individual moments to paper over the cracks of our mediocre tream play(coaching usually plays a role there). Apart from all that, he's doing great
So apart from being clueless in the transfer market, not being able to get his championship winning team to perform anywhere near the level required, being tactically rigid and his masterplan being cross as many times as possible and if that fails hit it long and rely on individual moments to paper over the cracks of our mediocre tream play(coaching usually plays a role there). Apart from all that, he's doing great
Apart from the results, which is obviously the most important thing, this season could have been Fergies.
The line ups, the substitutions, the tactics - I don't really think any of that has changed.
The difference is that the players reacted to Ferguson and we got results - of course Moyes has to take some blame, but the players should have been getting better results than they have been - whoever the manager.
Yes..
even Phil Brown.
I hate how we've become a side that play hoof ball.
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