Moyes So Far!
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Was it my imagination or did he counter that good spell Sociedad had by tucking Valencia in and dropping Rooney a touch deeper? Quite clever I thought, we regained total control of the game, though I may have been seeing things.
It's so true. The whole 'they're fecked in Europe' was hilarious. Maybe a bit of an accommodating problem.Rooney certainly dropped deeper. He also made the Smalling sub at a very similar time. It coincided with United getting back in control of the match.
I'm one of his biggest critics and didn't want him in the first place because of the way he's had us playing and how Everton played for the best part of 10 years but today was great to watch, so I'm happy for him. Hopefully he can carry this onto the weekend, and have us play a similar style, with high pressing and great, quick attacking play like today. Think Kagawa and no Fellaini were huge parts of it being that way, because of Kagawa's tendency to do quick give and go's all around the pitch and him roaming around, and Fellaini's inability to move around the pitch. Good subs today too. At first I was confused at the Smalling sub, forgot Rafael had a yellow but he had to come off because the ref was card happy in the first half. Young sub was a normal sub, we needed a change of shape to make it more secure but stay attacking and although we'd all have loved to see Nani or Januzaj instead of Young, it was an ok choice. Glad there wasn't any bollocks like against Southampton where we took off Rooney and put on Smalling despite only being 1 goal up.
Clearly Moyes has a masterplan. With the apparent resurgance of the dippers he's deliberately dropping points in the league to leave us out of the Champions League spots and allow Liverpool to win that 4th place trophy they so desire.
Then he's going to win the Champions League and rip it from their grasp as one big FU to the scousers.
Then he's going to win the Champions League and rip it from their grasp as one big FU to the scousers.
We've all started to look at every single decision the manager makes with an objective viewpoint, we as United fans are completely alien to this concept. I gave up questioning our managers decisions years ago, I mean to say that some I thought blatantly mad but I just kept my yap shut as in the long run the manager did right by the club, the team and us. I was probably not alone in this way of thinking and I will place heavy bets a lot just gave up analysing the manager to deeply as we knew the outcome would more often than not be preferable.
Us as fans and Moyes as the new man have a long way to go before that kind of trust cements itself but he is doing enough for me to show he is going in the right direction. He made mistakes on Saturday but tonight he got it right and he deserves credit, it is a shame though that so many who will fill this thread in his darkest times vacate it in his lightest.
Feel the Moyes.
Us as fans and Moyes as the new man have a long way to go before that kind of trust cements itself but he is doing enough for me to show he is going in the right direction. He made mistakes on Saturday but tonight he got it right and he deserves credit, it is a shame though that so many who will fill this thread in his darkest times vacate it in his lightest.
Feel the Moyes.
He's got 2 things rigt so far: Playing Rooney as the main man and getting Janzaj to sign a contract. Everything else has been poor.
Do you guys think that playing Kagawa behind Rooney for the last 10 minutes is a sign that he'll play them vs. Stoke? Januzaj, Kagawa, Rooney and Nani all on the same pitch.
Ah maybe they do pop in just to kill the buzz even when he's done well.
That's a mouth watering prospect going forward certainly, it would be a very brave selection, fecking great if he goes with it.
I genuinely love the man, but like all loves, they can annoy you when you know they're capable of better. His insistence on adopting negative/pragmatic tactics will hopefully be banished for a long while, and we can play the type of football our players are tailor-made for.
Much better tonight, basically had all the major decisions including moving Kagawa into the middle spot on. This is the best we've played in a while (since Leverkusen game basically) and I hope this isn't just one off.
He got today's tactics spot on. Needs to keep this team shape. Today was the first time I thought to myself this man knows what he's doing when the cameras showed him standing on the touchline.
Was impressed with the speed of our play today. About time we started playing quicker.
We need consistency though. Badly.
We need consistency though. Badly.
What a surprise - Moyes knows what he's doing! 
That should shut up a few doubters.
There have been some very encouraging signs tonight. I thought the way we started the game was fantastic, probably one of the best starts for a long time. The whole team came out like they wanted to tear Sociedad apart. Nobody can tell me that Moyes can't motivate the players etc. after what we saw tonight.
Finally we are pressing teams also. I hope he keeps us playing that way.
That should shut up a few doubters.
There have been some very encouraging signs tonight. I thought the way we started the game was fantastic, probably one of the best starts for a long time. The whole team came out like they wanted to tear Sociedad apart. Nobody can tell me that Moyes can't motivate the players etc. after what we saw tonight.
Finally we are pressing teams also. I hope he keeps us playing that way.
Credit when it's due, he was pretty good last night. If it wasn't for missing oppurtunities we would have scored 3-4 times.
The tactics were right from the beginning, the players were right, doing pressure and not playing zombie style was good too, moving in the end Kagawa in the center was great. The Young sub was a bit depressing but anyway it is not a big deal.
Hopefully this will become the norm and we continue playing like this.
The tactics were right from the beginning, the players were right, doing pressure and not playing zombie style was good too, moving in the end Kagawa in the center was great. The Young sub was a bit depressing but anyway it is not a big deal.
Hopefully this will become the norm and we continue playing like this.
There's been encouraging signs in our play lately. Someone could get a hiding soon, i.e. Stoke at the weekend. Hopefully we're starting to click into gear under Moyes. Got to say, I like him more and more after each game and each OTT criticism he gets. The man is as honest and hard working as you could hope for, and will do everything he can to improve us. The players look as fit as I've ever seen them, especially Rooney.
Everton fans' attitude has been really poor towards him, after everything he did for that club. 8 or 9 games into a season, they think Martinez is the better manager and Moyes held them back. Incredible. They slate him for leaving but fail to realise that if Roberto has any success, he'll be off to a bigger club as well.
When we do end up winning a trophy it's going to feel very sweet, for us and for Moyes.
Everton fans' attitude has been really poor towards him, after everything he did for that club. 8 or 9 games into a season, they think Martinez is the better manager and Moyes held them back. Incredible. They slate him for leaving but fail to realise that if Roberto has any success, he'll be off to a bigger club as well.
When we do end up winning a trophy it's going to feel very sweet, for us and for Moyes.
We need to finish chances. Nothing to do with Moyes.
He's done everything right in Europe, which is a nice surprise. Also worth noting that his subs were basically spot on last night, after his (deserved) criticism for the Southampton ones.
Moyes has gotten a lot of unessessary stick for coming across as clueless, regarding the way he wants us to play, but last night proved that he can have us playing with a lot of purpose and flair. We mixed it up with a healthy amount of wingplay and nice link up play through the middle. I was really impressed.
Moyes is learning, it will all click soon enough in the league too.
Moyes is learning, it will all click soon enough in the league too.
Really cannot understand this...
Doing brilliantly in Europe where he has no CL experience, but struggling in his own league where he has 11 years experience.
The mind boggles
Doing brilliantly in Europe where he has no CL experience, but struggling in his own league where he has 11 years experience.
The mind boggles
Well, Southampton are arguably a better team than Sociedad right now, so there's that. There's also the case where PL teams are coming to OT without fear, and pressing us a lot (again, something teams in Europe haven't really done) which we can't cope with. I'm sure he'll get things right in the PL eventually though, and I don't think this season will be as doom and gloom as some are already making out.
The main difference between last night and how United played at the weekend was that we had more mobility in midfield and were less static out wide and up front. For whatever reason, at the weekend Januzaj and Nani were not coming in field to allow the overlap, Rooney was bolted up front and Fellaini was just off the pace.
With Kagawa playing the Nasri/Silva inside left role and getting close to Rooney who constantly dropped off we were able to build moves because our players were closer together and (sadly) a 40 year old Giggs was able to offer more movement and quickness with his play than Fellaini is able to.
Many of us were crying out for this kind of tactical change awhile ago and were accused of having an 'agenda' for calling for it. Personally speaking I'm just glad Moyes has embraced that change. Once Cleverley is fit I think our performances will improve again and if we can just get the young, classy, above average box-to-box midfielder we should've bought in the summer in January we can then put fears of fighting for 4th behind us...
With Kagawa playing the Nasri/Silva inside left role and getting close to Rooney who constantly dropped off we were able to build moves because our players were closer together and (sadly) a 40 year old Giggs was able to offer more movement and quickness with his play than Fellaini is able to.
Many of us were crying out for this kind of tactical change awhile ago and were accused of having an 'agenda' for calling for it. Personally speaking I'm just glad Moyes has embraced that change. Once Cleverley is fit I think our performances will improve again and if we can just get the young, classy, above average box-to-box midfielder we should've bought in the summer in January we can then put fears of fighting for 4th behind us...
I think that was the major difference between the soton game and last night. Having Fellaini and Carrick in the middle just makes us far to laboured. IF Anderson was fully fit, I reckon he'd me a much better partner for Carrick. Shame it isn't quite working out for Ando though.
Sounding like Woy again
Credit to Moyes for last night.
- The energetic high pressing early on saw us completely dominate in the first half an hour.
- The selection of Giggs in midfield was a good one, for this game.
- Rooney dropping deeper into midfield, in the first half on his own, in the second half under the instruction of Giggs, meant there were more bodies closer together in midfield (especially with Kagawa drifting in as well), passing was quicker, sharper, and more fluid because the CMs always had an an option close by.
- Nice to see him play Kagawa, and enable him to drift centrally where he has more of an impact on the game. He also added to the midfield presence which gave the Giggs-Carrick pairing more support, which I think was necessary.
- Refreshing to see none of the aimless pumping early cross after cross into the box. They were used only when the time was right and with a higher degree of accuracy.
- The energetic high pressing early on saw us completely dominate in the first half an hour.
- The selection of Giggs in midfield was a good one, for this game.
- Rooney dropping deeper into midfield, in the first half on his own, in the second half under the instruction of Giggs, meant there were more bodies closer together in midfield (especially with Kagawa drifting in as well), passing was quicker, sharper, and more fluid because the CMs always had an an option close by.
- Nice to see him play Kagawa, and enable him to drift centrally where he has more of an impact on the game. He also added to the midfield presence which gave the Giggs-Carrick pairing more support, which I think was necessary.
- Refreshing to see none of the aimless pumping early cross after cross into the box. They were used only when the time was right and with a higher degree of accuracy.
Er, yes. Alright. Clueless, clearly. Hasn't seen the man before. Nice that he thought he did well, though.
Seems he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. If he was that clueless he would have picked him or using Giggs alongside Carrick
He simply means that tonight was the first time he's seen the real Shinji out on the pitch, the player everyone has been making a huge fuss over when he gets left out. Nothing Woy about it at all.
Some of Moyes substitutions have beggered belief, and I thought bringing on Young was another one (watching live), but..... we got Young on the ball and he had some great attacks, which helped avoid any late (Soton esc) drama, so odd though it looked, Moyes did well with this one.
Thought a "positive" was worth a mention
We watched Fellaini spend an age going thru some written instructions only to see him NOT get on. Not sure what that was about ??
Thought a "positive" was worth a mention
We watched Fellaini spend an age going thru some written instructions only to see him NOT get on. Not sure what that was about ??
I noticed that as well. I took it as a positive he didn't put him on when Rooney and Kagawa started to pose a real threat and went for more attack in Young
Yeah, Moyes did alright yesterday. I winced when I saw Young warming up but it turned out to be a good decision. Feeling more optimistic about Kagawa's chances of becoming a core part of the first team too. No complaints really.
The only glaringly bad substitution he made was bringing Smalling on for Rooney against Soton, that made no sense whatsoever but other than that recently he has been good. If we got the win against Soton, which we came so close to doing then now we would be 6/7th in the league, only 5 points from the top and top of our league in Europe while going to the next round of COC. The important thing is that the team is playing well, if we can get the consistency going then the goals and winning run will come.
At least now, he HAS to play this beast:
I honestly don't know whether we are on the same page or not. I think we are, though. Moyes = not clueless. Poster I responded to = clueless. Just to make it clear, you know.
That was a decent enough sub, but when I saw Smalling getting ready my first thoughts were him bringing off Hernandez or something to grind out the 1-0
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