Why would they have Carra have such obvious bias. It’s just to rile fans up on Twitter. Basically a glorified Talksport most of these shows.
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Their criteria just seems weird. Why would Cole be excluded? If it's about all-round forwards (creative and scorers), then what are Shearer and Drogba doing there? Makes no sense whatsoever.
It’s Ronaldo.
07/08 Ronaldo when he won Balon d’Or is by far the best attacker there’s been. People forget he played on the right in a 442 for the vast majority of games.
07/08 Ronaldo when he won Balon d’Or is by far the best attacker there’s been. People forget he played on the right in a 442 for the vast majority of games.
It's a stupid debate as if you're going by best player at a specific point in time it is Ronaldo 2007/2008 by quite a large margin.
If you're going by best over their career you can only really go on pl goals and then it's Shearer.
If you want to try and combine the two it brings Henry into the equation but that's it, and then you are just debating favouritism because there's no way to judge any two players by the same metric.
Loads of players have been the best forward in the league at a specific point or been consistently good over a long period.
If you're going by best over their career you can only really go on pl goals and then it's Shearer.
If you want to try and combine the two it brings Henry into the equation but that's it, and then you are just debating favouritism because there's no way to judge any two players by the same metric.
Loads of players have been the best forward in the league at a specific point or been consistently good over a long period.
Well done to them. Got people talking about it.
That was just Carragher's opinion. They combined that, a fan vote and some sort of stats thing to come up with a final ordering at the end of the video.
Henry
Ronaldo
Salah
Shearer
Rooney
Drogba
Cantona
Aguero
Kane
Hazard
Suarez
Bale
Bergkamp
You can take the list and reorder it however you like, and it'll be valid. That's the beauty of opinions on subjective lists. It's always a good way to get views though
Thanks - That's a better list than Carra's but Drogba higher than Cantona is completely insane.
I think it was the viewers votes which didn't for Cantona. He bizarrely got feck all in that round.
didn't watch it but anyone that doesn't have Cantona high in the best ever Premier league forwards needs to have their heads examined
List is arguable but ok for first 3, then absolutely nosedives. Omitting Aguero and Kane in top is ridiculous.
They are clearly too young to know about Andy Cole and his two "forms"; the Newcastle version of him cannot be ignored even if he splits opinion despite his feats and tally for United.
Having Bale and Bergkamp in there invalidates the list, as this is not the category for either of them to receive their flowers.
They are clearly too young to know about Andy Cole and his two "forms"; the Newcastle version of him cannot be ignored even if he splits opinion despite his feats and tally for United.
Having Bale and Bergkamp in there invalidates the list, as this is not the category for either of them to receive their flowers.
Are you going off the list posted on page 1 because that's actually Carraghers list and not the final list which was posted by chipper:
Watching the vid will explain how they got there. You may not agree with the criteria they used obviously.
It's a better go, most likely majority younger supporters voting in. Andy Cole isn't even dead and is already being erased from the timeline.
Only me that thinks Drogba is a bit overrated?
Extremely overated especially if we're only counting what he did in the league. Having him ahead of Cantona is just drug addict stuff.
Drogba scored some great goals and a lot of important goal which leaves an oversized impression on people, not surprised he’s higher than where he should be.
I’d take Cole, and most of those listed below Drogba (Aguero, Kane, Hazard, Saurez), over Drogba.
I’d take Cole, and most of those listed below Drogba (Aguero, Kane, Hazard, Saurez), over Drogba.
This list is fair in my opinion. Kane would have been right up there had he played for a better team.
Ok so Henry is better than Shearer, Ronaldo, Salah and Rooney. Did he vote for himself?
The public vote had him massively ahead. I agree with it.
He didn't? He usually started out on the left and it's really disingenuous to call him a 4-4-2 winger in that team since it was a hybrid formation (closer to a lopsided 4-3-3 than to 4-4-2 in reality) where he had almost unrestricted positional freedom while the rest of the attack adapted to his movement.
He didn't? He usually started out on the left and it's really disingenuous to call him a 4-4-2 winger in that team since it was a hybrid formation (closer to a lopsided 4-3-3 than to 4-4-2 in reality) where he had almost unrestricted positional freedom while the rest of the attack adapted to his movement.
Yes he did. It was Ronaldo ahead of Brown. Off my head we played Ronaldo in the final at LW against Chelsea as Essien was at RB.
That graphic is nonsense. Neville played 1 game that whole season ffs.
He didn't? He usually started out on the left and it's really disingenuous to call him a 4-4-2 winger in that team since it was a hybrid formation (closer to a lopsided 4-3-3 than to 4-4-2 in reality) where he had almost unrestricted positional freedom while the rest of the attack adapted to his movement.
That's way off.
football-lineups PL 07/08
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You know what, fair enough on the starting position. I'm going to double down and say that you can't really treat Ronaldo's role from that season as a winger in a 4-4-2 though as he had full freedom to roam around and had the least amount of defensive responsibilities out of anyone in that team. Ronaldo, Tevez, Park, Giggs etc. adjusted their positions according to his movement in order to compensate for that.
But those really don't give anywhere near the full story, he was not playing as a winger, he played as a wide forward.
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Not much of a debate is it?
Best Premier League player - Thierry Henry
Best player to play in the Premier League - Cristiano Ronaldo
I don't think many people would argue with those.
Only questionable one might be the best goalscorer, for me that's Sergio Aguero.
Best Premier League player - Thierry Henry
Best player to play in the Premier League - Cristiano Ronaldo
I don't think many people would argue with those.
Only questionable one might be the best goalscorer, for me that's Sergio Aguero.
Drogba is one of the best big game strikers I’ve watched. Those matches will always be more impactful and last longer in people’s memory. Being a big game player is a rare quality.
Nope I think he’s rated properly. Stats are great but the people that leave a lasting impression are the true greats in my opinion and Drogba did that.
You can’t think of hold up play and big game performers without Drogba’s name being brought up. He’s still seen as the standard for operating as a lone striker in the PL.
This isn’t me saying he’s the best because he obviously isn’t but I think the players who should be ranked highest are those that redefine expectations for the role and leave a lasting impression. Rooney, Henry, Salah, Ronaldo, Cantona have also done this.
In terms of goals per shots Aguero is very high,but i doubt he was more clinical than kane,shearer or fowler,especially in their best seasons.The most clinical prem season was suarez 13/14,where he scored one in four shots,none were pens either,which is insane.
I would include Haaland on the list but he has so many easy chances put on a plate for him and he still misses many sitters, that his records are mainly due to better service,without such great service he would need to rely on long range shooting where he is just not impressive atall.The amount of pens he takes to pad his stats is also very high.I guess that you could argue the same for Nistelrooy but he never missed lots of sitters so it is hard to rate him properly.
I think that he is somewhat overrated,of all those seasons in the prem,he only had one really great standout season,even that was not record breaking in anyway.
His style was unique but his quality was not the very best.I respect his hold up play and physicality more than his other traits,bit for the most part Lampard was played so far up the pitch that they were constantly linking up like a strike partnership.
Thinking about it,it was abit of an odd mix,because usually a team would have a creative midfielder/number10 behind a striker,or a creative second striker like bergkamp(similar to a false 9)behind the striker.But lampard was mostly a goalscoring attacking midfielder,to the point of being like a second striker,and drogba was a hybrid of a classic striker but also with more false 9 traits( coming deep,holding and linking up play like firmino,but not so much the work rate, passing variety or silky skills of firmino).
I also agree that he was a big game player,and his record against big teams was atleast very good,and scoring in multiple fa cup finals,aswell as a pen in a ucl final is good,but fa cup finals are not the big deal that they are made out to be imo,they are not so different to the big games in the prem,infact the biggest prem games are more important.Look who those fa cup final goals were against,usually just teams that were much worse than that chelsea side.
I would take 07 torres as a lone striker over drogbas average season,but maybe not his peak season.Drogba was definitely better than any version of bergkamp,and drogbas peak season was better than cantonas best,but cantonas average season was more impressive.
Their "criteria" is mind numbingly stupid if their objective was to establish an "all-time" list. Lists like these are stupid and are obviously just done to generate traffic and clicks, but it's genuinely stupid.
Actually it is not ronaldo.Put the Balon d'or to one side because that is partly a popularity contest and swayed by which team lifts the big trophies(which is due to the overall quality of the squad,where the 07/08 manchester united side was far batter than 13/14 suarez side for example).
Suarez 13/14 and salah 17/18 were up against prime madrid ronaldo and prime messi,meaning that to win the bal'ondor in those seasons was alot more difficult even than 07/08.
An attackers job is to create and score goals,aswell as dribble past players.For suarez,salah,henry and ronaldo we can exclude playmaking from deep,because they were not deep lying playmakers,and were all either a striker or a wide forward(ronaldo was a winger on the team sheet,but definitely played it as a wide forward).And apart from suarez and salah coming deep to win the ball back far more often, it really comes down to the three main things i mentioned:
1)number and quality of goals.
2)number and quality of chances created/assists
3)number of dribbles and quality of dribbling.
All had very effective dribbling.But salah scored and created more in the prem and ucl in 17/18 than ronaldo 07/08,and that was without even taking any pens.
Henry 03/04 and suarez 13/14 both have by far the best single season prem record,with 45 goals and assists.Suarez did it without pens and after missing the first 5 games,which is even more impressive.
The quality of the goals and assists from all these players is extremely high,but suarez 13/14 had the best collection of goals.
Suarez had the best peak prem season,Henry has the best prem legacy(suarez left just as he hit his peak, ronaldo peaked at madrid)
Ronaldo has the best career by far(not even close).
If you minus penalties from his total he scored about the same as Andy cole, who didn't really take them (or at all?). Scored like 80 of them in the league I believe.