Has anybody read this book?
Michael Jackson: Conspiracy
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Mockney
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You're a bit obsessed by Michael Jackson aren't you?...I would never have guessed that before he died you know. Goes to show that you can never truly know someone you've known fleetingly on the internet for under 8 months...Interesting.
Why the feck would i read a book about him?
Im bored as feck about hearing him. I honestly wish he was still alive.
Im bored as feck about hearing him. I honestly wish he was still alive.
You're a bit obsessed by Michael Jackson aren't you?...I would never have guessed that before he died you know. Goes to show that you can never truly know someone you've known fleetingly on the internet for under 8 months...Interesting.
I wouldn't say obsessed. I've always been a fan of his music, admittedly I'd not listened to his stuff for a while prior to his death, but since he died I have been more interested to find out about the trial of 2005 and what went on and what went unreported; this book apparently is fantastic for that.
It's forewarded by Thomas Meseraeu aswell; who I have a lot of respect for. Not just for successfully defending Jackson against molestation charges but for the work he does in general.
Why the feck would i read a book about him?
Im bored as feck about hearing him. I honestly wish he was still alive.
Why post in the thread if you have no interest on the topic?
Why post in the thread if you have no interest on the topic?
Yeah i just thought that. I do apologise.
Don't apologise, just say sorry.
Not read it, probably won't...the only MJ book I'm gonna get is the Michael Jackson Opus Book..
You should read the GQ Article by Mary Fischer
Was Michael Jackson Framed?
You should read the GQ Article by Mary Fischer
Was Michael Jackson Framed?
Excellent article Tibs, thank you.
I really don't understand how people can think he is guilty once they delve a little deeper into what actually happened, rather than going off what the tabloids have reported.
I really don't understand how people can think he is guilty once they delve a little deeper into what actually happened, rather than going off what the tabloids have reported.
This was a very good read, and I would recommend it to anybody, even if you are not interested in Michael Jackson, because it's a fascinating read about justice, about human rights and about how powerful the media world can be. What was reported in 2005 and what was actually happening in the courtroom are poles apart.
Among the many revelations in this book: The Arvizos deny on four separate occasions after the Bashir documentary that any molestation ever took place, on audio tape, on a rebuttal video, to DCFS workers, and to Gavin Arvizo's school principal.
Only after visiting the same civil attorney used in the 1993 case, did Arvizo accuse Jackson of molesting him. Under cross examination, it is established that if Arvizo got a criminal conviction, he could sue Jackson in a civil lawsuit until he was 18.
Janet Arvizo proved to be a disaster for the prosecution, she alleged that Jackson conspired to keep her family hostage at Neverland and then fly them off to Brazil. At the time she alleges this was taking place, she was busy charging thousands of dollars for beauty treatments on the Neverland account in a local town, was getting dental treatment for her son (Again, paid for by Jackson), alleges Jackson made her fly to Miami to give a rebuttal interview, when in actual fact she found out he was in Miami and had Chris Tucker charter a private jet for her and her family to fly out there.
It also brings to light the 1993 accusations. All the witnesses were proved to hold a grudge against Jackson; those who had lost their jobs, those who had tried (and failed) to sue him. Jordan Chandler refused to testify against Michael Jackson. His mother did appear as a witness and surprisingly said she never had any qualms about her son being around Michael Jackson. I think this little piece from the link Tibs posted sums it up perfectly:
And what became of the massive investigation of Jackson? After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found. (In June 1994, still determined to find even one corroborating witness, three prosecutors and two police detectives flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson, the boy who had acknowledged that he’d slept in the same bed with Jackson. Once again, the boy said that nothing bad had happened.)
The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been give a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion.
If truth be told; this was a case built on sand. There was no evidence at all to suggest anything untoward ever happened at Neverland. A place where thousands upon thousands of children visited throughout the years. It was the media, Tom Sneddon and the prosecution team who had everything to gain by putting Jackson behind bars. The media would have made billions from a conviction as Tom Meseraeu rightly points out; Tom Sneddon would be hailed as the man that put the most famous entertainer on the planet behind bars for being a peadophile. But when you remove all the hearsay, all the false media reports and get down to hard facts, there is nothing there. It's a surprise this trial was ever allowed to go ahead. It must have cost the US taxpayer millions for the trial even to go ahead. Indeed, Meseraeu concludes it was likely to be the most expensive trial in history.
And, even after he was acquitted, the media still treat him as if he were a peadophile. Which about sums them up.
Among the many revelations in this book: The Arvizos deny on four separate occasions after the Bashir documentary that any molestation ever took place, on audio tape, on a rebuttal video, to DCFS workers, and to Gavin Arvizo's school principal.
Only after visiting the same civil attorney used in the 1993 case, did Arvizo accuse Jackson of molesting him. Under cross examination, it is established that if Arvizo got a criminal conviction, he could sue Jackson in a civil lawsuit until he was 18.
Janet Arvizo proved to be a disaster for the prosecution, she alleged that Jackson conspired to keep her family hostage at Neverland and then fly them off to Brazil. At the time she alleges this was taking place, she was busy charging thousands of dollars for beauty treatments on the Neverland account in a local town, was getting dental treatment for her son (Again, paid for by Jackson), alleges Jackson made her fly to Miami to give a rebuttal interview, when in actual fact she found out he was in Miami and had Chris Tucker charter a private jet for her and her family to fly out there.
It also brings to light the 1993 accusations. All the witnesses were proved to hold a grudge against Jackson; those who had lost their jobs, those who had tried (and failed) to sue him. Jordan Chandler refused to testify against Michael Jackson. His mother did appear as a witness and surprisingly said she never had any qualms about her son being around Michael Jackson. I think this little piece from the link Tibs posted sums it up perfectly:
And what became of the massive investigation of Jackson? After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found. (In June 1994, still determined to find even one corroborating witness, three prosecutors and two police detectives flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson, the boy who had acknowledged that he’d slept in the same bed with Jackson. Once again, the boy said that nothing bad had happened.)
The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been give a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion.
If truth be told; this was a case built on sand. There was no evidence at all to suggest anything untoward ever happened at Neverland. A place where thousands upon thousands of children visited throughout the years. It was the media, Tom Sneddon and the prosecution team who had everything to gain by putting Jackson behind bars. The media would have made billions from a conviction as Tom Meseraeu rightly points out; Tom Sneddon would be hailed as the man that put the most famous entertainer on the planet behind bars for being a peadophile. But when you remove all the hearsay, all the false media reports and get down to hard facts, there is nothing there. It's a surprise this trial was ever allowed to go ahead. It must have cost the US taxpayer millions for the trial even to go ahead. Indeed, Meseraeu concludes it was likely to be the most expensive trial in history.
And, even after he was acquitted, the media still treat him as if he were a peadophile. Which about sums them up.
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Who do you reckon is the celebrity who would cause the biggest shock now if they were to die? The one that would cause the most shock around the world now MJ is dead?
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Who do you reckon is the celebrity who would cause the biggest shock now if they were to die? The one that would cause the most shock around the world now MJ is dead?
I don't think anyone is really on the scale of MJ.
A big shock would probably be a big young star, Megan Fox?
It would be quite shocking if Britney Spears, David Beckham, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Beyonce, Will Smith or Obama died tonight.
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Yeah I was thinking Becks. I'd hate that, would be worse than MJ for me.
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I think the most shocking for us would be Wayne Rooney.
Who do you reckon is the celebrity who would cause the biggest shock now if they were to die? The one that would cause the most shock around the world now MJ is dead?
I don't think anyone is comparable to Jackson really. He was known worldwide, in every corner of the globe. He holds world records, was one of the worlds most famous entertainers, if not the most famous. He's been in the public eye ever since he was 5, some 45 years if my math doesn't fail me. Then you factor in his personal life and the molestation accusations. No-one comes close.
As for who would cause the biggest shock, I would perhaps think Beckham, but only because he allowed the fame and money to get ahead of his football.
But that's for a different thread and a different day.
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Who do you reckon is the celebrity who would cause the biggest shock now if they were to die? The one that would cause the most shock around the world now MJ is dead?
The only other person who reaches MJ's level of famous-ness is Paul McCartney. Although that probably would be much less of a shock given his age.
Actually no, David Beckham.
The only other person who reaches MJ's level of famous-ness is Paul McCartney. Although that probably would be much less of a shock given his age.
Actually no, David Beckham.
Paul McCartney is a good shout. Regardless of his age he is still the most successful songwriter in history and was part of the most successul band in history.
And if he died tonight that would still be a huge, huge shock.
So yeah I would go for him ahead of Beckham
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