Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director

croadyman said:
Hmmm sounds like Ducker isn't convinced that Murtough will be left to just do his job and think he is right to be concerned looking at how disastrously this club has been run since the Toy Story puppet took over in 2013
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I have nothing against the new appointments (except Matt Judge, who going by our signings and contract renewals does not seem to have a clue). However, looks like we have just created another layer in management under Woodward. I'd argue he should not have the power to approve or veto footballing decisions.

I'd be happier if the restructure involved a DOF who answered directly to the board or owners, while Woodward oversaw the financial side of the club.
 
I don't have faith in anyone in any position at the club.
Ed Woodward should not be here.
 
Ed Woodward's fault was that he gave too much control to the managers when it came to recruitment. The problem was that it took him too long to take that control away IMO. If anyone wants to moan about the CEO at the club, then look no further than Woodward's predecessor David Gill, who is to blame for our malaise post Fergie. My previous posts in here shed light on why I come to that conclusion.


Now let's look at why it would've been a mistake to bring in a DoF from outside the organisation.

Making a external appointment would've been one of the worst mistakes we could've made, unless the incoming DoF was prepared to work with the already existing structure that was expanding year by year. But that was never gonna happen with the likes of Rangnick, Campos, Monchi, Overmars etc, because they work with a select group of scouts/analysts.

So appointing one of the aforementioned names would've meant to go along with their working practice which was to allow them to bring their own people to the club to replace the people we had spent the last few years bringing to the club.

Henny de Regt was a scout at Ajax for 18 years and held a senior position in their academy as the head of youth scouting and he joined us in 2016/17. We also nabbed Roy Beukenkamp from PSV who was a prominent scout for the Dutch club. Then we signed up numerous other high calibre scouts from around the world including Gerardo Guzman from Spain and Mathieu Seckinger from the French league to name two more. So bringing in a external appointment would've been a daft move because it would've meant ripping up what the club had been building up-to which was several years in the making.

So when it was reported that Woodward spoke with some prominent DoFs and they weren't happy with the working conditions, then I fully understand the DoFs stance, but agree with Woodward and the club. Because ripping up several years of work which saw people like John Murtough and later Marcel Bout etc really shape the structure only for the club to replace them with Rangnick or Campos with their band of scouts, would've been a foolish move.
 
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Adnan said:
Ed Woodward's fault was that he gave too much control to the managers when it came to recruitment. The problem was that it took him too long to take that control away IMO. If anyone wants to moan about the CEO at the club, then look no further than Woodward's predecessor David Gill, who is to blame for our malaise post Fergie. My previous posts in here shed light on why I come to that conclusion.


Now let's look at why it would've been a mistake to bring in a DoF from outside the organisation.

Making a external appointment would've been one of the worst mistakes we could've made, unless the incoming DoF was prepared to work with the already existing structure that was expanding year by year. But that was never gonna happen with the likes of Rangnick, Campos, Monchi, Overmars etc, because they work with a select group of scouts/analysts.

So appointing one of the aforementioned names would've meant to go along with their working practice which was to allow them to bring their own people to the club to replace the people we had spent the last few years bringing to the club.

Henny de Regt was a scout at Ajax for 18 years and held a senior position in their academy as the head of youth scouting and he joined us in 2016/17. We also nabbed Roy Beukenkamp from PSV who was a prominent scout for the Dutch club. Then we signed up numerous other high calibre scouts from around the world including Gerardo Guzman from Spain and Mathieu Seckinger from the French league to name two more. So bringing in a external appointment would've been a daft move because it would've meant ripping up what the club had been building up-to which was several years in the making.

So when it was reported that Woodward spoke with some prominent DoFs and they weren't happy with the working conditions, then I fully understand the DoFs stance, but agree with Woodward and the club. Because ripping up several years of work which saw people like John Murtough and later Marcel Bout etc really shape the structure only for the club to replace them with Rangnick or Campos with their band of scouts, would've been a foolish move.
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And

1. His poor recruitment of managers (hiring managers of varying styles, and failing to hire top managers (with attacking styles) when available e.g Klopp & Pep)
2. His poor handling of player contracts renewals (e.g Jones but the list goes on)
3. His trust in incompetent members of staff e.g Matt Judge (poor transfer negotiations, paying far too much for players and selling for far too cheap)
4. His constant talking crap in the press about how big his dick is (constantly telling the whole world we can break transfer records and do things in the market no other team can)

I could go on.

Also to blame David Gill is a bit of a joke, our malaise post Fergie and lack of spending during Fergies later years was down to the Glazers (we had to sell to balance the books and service debt), we only really started spending again after we restructured our debt to make it more manageable (something Woodward can take credit for)
 
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There's been so many pages since I opened this thread - has anything new come to light of this? I was here about 23 pages ago when we made the appointment, where there were more positive vibes than negative, but it seems people have become more negative in last few pages.

Any actual reason for this?
 
Hows Paratici looking now, how far back would I have to go to see the clamour for him?

Juventus looks like a series of bad decisions the last few years.
 
Cassidy said:
And

1. His poor recruitment of managers (hiring managers of varying styles, and failing to hire top managers (with attacking styles) when available e.g Klopp & Pep)
2. His poor handling of player contracts renewals (e.g Jones but the list goes on)
3. His trust in incompetent members of staff e.g Matt Judge (poor transfer negotiations, paying far too much for players and selling for far too cheap)
4. His constant talking crap in the press about how big his dick is (constantly telling the whole world we can break transfer records and do things in the market no other team can)

I could go on.

Also to blame David Gill is a bit of a joke, our malaise post Fergie and lack of spending during Fergies later years was down to the Glazers (we had to sell to balance the books and service debt), we only really started spending again after we restructured our debt to make it more manageable (something Woodward can take credit for)
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David Moyes was hired without his say so, which is well documented. He inherited David Moyes. Let's get that out of the way first.

He hired LVG and I for one was happy with the appointment, so no complaints from me.

He hired Mourinho when most of the fans, media and pundits said it was a good appointment. It's very easy to point fingers with the benefit of hindsight. He gave both Van Gaal and Mourinho total control for far too long, which was a mistake which I've criticised him for. But he backed both managers heavily including the current manager Solskjaer. Bayern Munich and Real Madrid have appointed managers/head coaches with differing philosophical approaches and some have done well, whilst others were sacked. It all boils down to what those clubs had in the back ground in the form of having a footballing structure which has been in place for many many years. Our structure was out of date thanks to the incompetence of David Gill, which I will explain below, and it was Woodward who inherited the malaise along with David Moyes who was the chosen one.

David Gill allowed our academy to rot for years, where we fell a long way behind our rivals. Our scouting network, player data base, sports science, aspect of recruitment was either non existent or archaic according to the Manchester press pack. It's a not a surprise David Gill jumped ship along with Fergie, because he knew what was coming due to the mess he had created by neglecting the life blood of the club (The Academy) including what I mentioned earlier.

Woodward has helped improve the academy ten fold compared to what he inherited. He put in place people who have created a structure which has taken years to come into fruition, and has finally put us on a par with the leading clubs in Europe in that regard.

And regarding player contracts, you wouldn't care if Jones was getting 500k a week, if we were winning titles. So for me it's about having a streamlined approach to recruitment. And if the approach is streamlined, then I fully believe our recruitment will improve because everyone will be working in unison towards a common goal which would also provide stability and continuity.
 
Adnan said:
David Moyes was hired without his say so, which is well documented. He inherited David Moyes. Let's get that out of the way first.

He hired LVG and I for one was happy with the appointment, so no complaints from me.

He hired Mourinho when most of the fans, media and pundits said it was a good appointment. It's very easy to point fingers with the benefit of hindsight. He gave both Van Gaal and Mourinho total control for far too long, which was a mistake which I've criticised him for. But he backed both managers heavily including the current manager Solskjaer. Bayern Munich and Real Madrid have appointed managers/head coaches with differing philosophical approaches and some have done well, whilst others were sacked. It all boils down to what those clubs had in the back ground in the form of having a footballing structure which has been in place for many many years. Our structure was out of date thanks to the incompetence of David Gill, which I will explain below, and it was Woodward who inherited the malaise along with David Moyes who was the chosen one.

David Gill allowed our academy to rot for years, where we fell a long way behind our rivals. Our scouting network, player data base, sports science, aspect of recruitment was either non existent or archaic according to the Manchester press pack. It's a not a surprise David Gill jumped ship along with Fergie, because he knew what was coming due to the mess he had created by neglecting the life blood of the club (The Academy) including what I mentioned earlier.

Woodward has helped improve the academy ten fold compared to what he inherited. He put in place people who have created a structure which has taken years to come into fruition, and has finally put us on a par with the leading clubs in Europe in that regard.

And regarding player contracts, you wouldn't care if Jones was getting 500k a week, if we were winning titles. So for me it's about having a streamlined approach to recruitment. And if the approach is streamlined, then I fully believe our recruitment will improve because everyone will be working in unison towards a common goal which would also provide stability and continuity.
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Going off tangent from the thread, but what utter rubbish are you speaking about here? Why are you telling me what I would and wouldn't care about. I would care if a player who offers us nothing is given even a 40k a week contract

LVG - wasn't a good hire since he was not fresh in club management, however on this one I don't think it was a terrible appointment, and given it was his first, ok we can let this one go.
Jose - Completely different style to LVG and one who style we knew would not match Uniteds (poor appointment)
Ole - No credentials, gave him a contract before the end of the season (poor appointment)
 
Cassidy said:
Going off tangent from the thread, but what utter rubbish are you speaking about here? Why are you telling me what I would and wouldn't care about. I would care if a player who offers us nothing is given even a 40k a week contract

LVG - wasn't a good hire since he was not fresh in club management, however on this one I don't think it was a terrible appointment, and given it was his first, ok we can let this one go.
Jose - Completely different style to LVG and one who style we knew would not match Uniteds (poor appointment)
Ole - No credentials, gave him a contract before the end of the season (poor appointment)
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He was appointing managers with a different philosophical approach? So were Bayern and Real Madrid. Or do you think Ancelotti and Guardiola had a streamlined approach to playing the game?

You're digging a hole for yourself.
 
Adnan said:
He was appointing managers with a different philosophical approach? So were Bayern and Real Madrid. Or do you think Ancelotti and Guardiola had a streamlined approach to playing the game?

You're digging a hole for yourself.
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Where have I written the word philosophical? Jose is not interested in the pursuit of attacking football for any extended period, and ultimately that was his demise. He was not right for United, a poor appointment (not to mention all the other reasons why most knew he would stink the place out, no real interest in developing young talent, and can't help himself picking fights). Its well documented many in the United hierarchy didn't want him anywhere near the club, yet Woodward appointed him.

I'd say its you who is digging a hole, if you think Woodwards only mistake was trusting managers.

Ancelotti and Guaridiola are managers who play attacking football, Madrid appointed a manager who wasn't committed to attacking football in Benitez and he didn't last very long (poor appointment)
 
Cassidy said:
Where have I written the word philosophical? Jose is not interested in the pursuit of attacking football for any extended period, and ultimately that was his demise. He was not right for United, a poor appointment (not to mention all the other reasons why most knew he would stink the place out, no real interest in developing young talent, and can't help himself picking fights). Its well documented many in the United hierarchy didn't want him anywhere near the club, yet Woodward appointed him.

I'd say its you who is digging a hole, if you think Woodwards only mistake was trusting managers.

Ancelotti and Guaridiola are managers who play attacking football, Madrid appointed a manager who wasn't committed to attacking football in Benitez and he didn't last very long (poor appointment)
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Ok let's dissect the words you used, which were Woodward appointing managers of 'varying styles'

Bayern also appointed managers of 'varying styles' from Guardiola to Ancelotti and Ancelotti was fired for the job be did at Bayern. I guess we should be highly critical of the Bayern hierarchy if your criteria is used, unless you think Guardiola and Ancelotti both implemented a similar style. And no, I don't consider Ancelotti to be a attacking manager.

Most knew Mourinho would stink the place out, really? I remember I was in a small minority who didn't want him due to his approach to playing the game, but let's not kid ourselves and think most most knew he would stink the place out because most were happy with the appointment. Madrid also appointed Mourinho and his Madrid team were successful in winning the league against arguably the greatest club side of all time in Guardiola's Barca, scoring over a 100 goals in a season. I might not have wanted him but I could understand why he was hired due to his accomplishments in the game.

So you're criticizing Woodward for mistakes which have happened at the biggest clubs around Europe, too, where managers like Ancelotti, Kovac, Valverde, Tuchel, Tata Martino etc were all fired.

But the difference is, those clubs had a structure which was independent from the head coach, so whether it be a pragmatic manager or a attacking manager, those clubs carried on being successful even when they fired, said manager. That structure is now in full swing at United and it's Ed Woodward who has been the catalyst for the change after the malaise he inherited.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
There's been so many pages since I opened this thread - has anything new come to light of this? I was here about 23 pages ago when we made the appointment, where there were more positive vibes than negative, but it seems people have become more negative in last few pages.

Any actual reason for this?
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People like to be negative, and they've had enough time since the announcement to find articles to convince them of what they want to be convinced of.
 
Adnan said:
Ed Woodward's fault was that he gave too much control to the managers when it came to recruitment. The problem was that it took him too long to take that control away IMO. If anyone wants to moan about the CEO at the club, then look no further than Woodward's predecessor David Gill, who is to blame for our malaise post Fergie. My previous posts in here shed light on why I come to that conclusion.


Now let's look at why it would've been a mistake to bring in a DoF from outside the organisation.

Making a external appointment would've been one of the worst mistakes we could've made, unless the incoming DoF was prepared to work with the already existing structure that was expanding year by year. But that was never gonna happen with the likes of Rangnick, Campos, Monchi, Overmars etc, because they work with a select group of scouts/analysts.

So appointing one of the aforementioned names would've meant to go along with their working practice which was to allow them to bring their own people to the club to replace the people we had spent the last few years bringing to the club.

Henny de Regt was a scout at Ajax for 18 years and held a senior position in their academy as the head of youth scouting and he joined us in 2016/17. We also nabbed Roy Beukenkamp from PSV who was a prominent scout for the Dutch club. Then we signed up numerous other high calibre scouts from around the world including Gerardo Guzman from Spain and Mathieu Seckinger from the French league to name two more. So bringing in a external appointment would've been a daft move because it would've meant ripping up what the club had been building up-to which was several years in the making.

So when it was reported that Woodward spoke with some prominent DoFs and they weren't happy with the working conditions, then I fully understand the DoFs stance, but agree with Woodward and the club. Because ripping up several years of work which saw people like John Murtough and later Marcel Bout etc really shape the structure only for the club to replace them with Rangnick or Campos with their band of scouts, would've been a foolish move.
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What?? He did absolutely the right thing by giving the power to SAF. It's proven by how successful we were. Any CEO with good intelligent would do the same.
How could he still be responsible for the next 8 years of shamble?? :lol: That doesn't make sense.

It's like saying SAF is responsible why we have had 8 years of this mess on the field.
 
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Bilbo said:
People like to be negative, and they've had enough time since the announcement to find articles to convince them of what they want to be convinced of.
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I’d rather venture that at first there where those who hadn’t heard about Murtough from before and wanted to read up onwho he was, and there were those who didn’t know who he was and wanted to make judgements based on that, and not be bothered with reading about who he actually is. As thetime went, those who did read about him had said what could possibly be said based on facts, and went other places to discuss other things, while the thread was kept alive by people who like to speculate but not to read, which can be done endlessly reallyz
 
Isotope said:
What?? He did absolutely the right thing by giving the power to SAF. It's proven by how successful we were. Any CEO with good intelligent would do the same.
How could he still be responsible for the next 8 years of shamble?? :lol: That doesn't make sense.

It's like saying SAF is responsible why we have had 8 years of this mess on the field.
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Who said he was wrong to give power to SAF? Did you even read what I wrote or am I wasting my team here?
 
Adnan said:
Ok let's dissect the words you used, which were Woodward appointing managers of 'varying styles'

Bayern also appointed managers of 'varying styles' from Guardiola to Ancelotti and Ancelotti was fired for the job be did at Bayern. I guess we should be highly critical of the Bayern hierarchy if your criteria is used, unless you think Guardiola and Ancelotti both implemented a similar style. And no, I don't consider Ancelotti to be a attacking manager.

Most knew Mourinho would stink the place out, really? I remember I was in a small minority who didn't want him due to his approach to playing the game, but let's not kid ourselves and think most most knew he would stink the place out because most were happy with the appointment. Madrid also appointed Mourinho and his Madrid team were successful in winning the league against arguably the greatest club side of all time in Guardiola's Barca, scoring over a 100 goals in a season. I might not have wanted him but I could understand why he was hired due to his accomplishments in the game.

So you're criticizing Woodward for mistakes which have happened at the biggest clubs around Europe, too, where managers like Ancelotti, Kovac, Valverde, Tuchel, Tata Martino etc were all fired.

But the difference is, those clubs had a structure which was independent from the head coach, so whether it be a pragmatic manager or a attacking manager, those clubs carried on being successful even when they fired, said manager. That structure is now in full swing at United and it's Ed Woodward who has been the catalyst for the change after the malaise he inherited.
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My post clearly states they are both attacking managers. I criticised Woodward for hiring Jose (against United attacking style and desire to develop young talents) and Ole (fulltime), the latter given a contract before the season even ended when there was no rush to hand him one.
No need to attempt to twist anyones words just read, if you feel the only thing Woodward has done wrong is trust managers then fine, we agree to disagree
 
Isotope said:
What?? He did absolutely the right thing by giving the power to SAF. It's proven by how successful we were. Any CEO with good intelligent would do the same.
How could he still be responsible for the next 8 years of shamble?? :lol: That doesn't make sense.

It's like saying SAF is responsible why we have had 8 years of this mess on the field.
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That's not what he said. As controversial as it may be, a very small portion of the blame probably does lie with SAF, but after he left it wasn't really his problem (and rightly so, he earned his retirement) as what he did leave was pretty much uprooted almost immediately by Moyes.
 
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That's not what he said. As controversial as it may be, a very small portion of the blame probably does lie with SAF, but after he left it wasn't really his problem (and rightly so, he earned his retirement) as what he did leave was pretty much uprooted almost immediately by Moyes.
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You can blame SAF for one season at most. Anything after that is back to being on Woodward andd the Glazers.
 
laughtersassassin said:
You can blame SAF for one season at most. Anything after that is back to being on Woodward andd the Glazers.
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Yeah, no excuses for the years after, we've had ample time to fix the issues. In my opinion, it does seem like we're heading in the right direction I'd just rather err on the side of caution for now.
 
laughtersassassin said:
You can blame SAF for one season at most. Anything after that is back to being on Woodward andd the Glazers.
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He left Moyes a title winning team. Finishing 7th was fecking criminal it was more than good enough to finish in the top four. And I don't think Sir Alex thought when he left that we would only make one first team signing (Fellaini) in the summer.
 
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He left Moyes a title winning team. Finishing 7th was fecking criminal it was more than good enough to finish in the top four. And I don't think Sir Alex thought when he left that we would only make one first team signing (Fellaini) in the summer.
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I agree. Hence why I said at most
 
laughtersassassin said:
You can blame SAF for one season at most. Anything after that is back to being on Woodward andd the Glazers.
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Maybe we should take away the word blame as its connotation is pretty bad. I am sure nobody here will ever want to have a shot at SAF because of what he did for the club. But being a manager at a club like ours, being the kind of manager SAF has been, he was needed to make an infinite number of decisions and of course not all of them were always right or the best decision in the long run. Nothing malicious about stating that but we lose out on potential to learn from previous lessons if we just wash these "wrong turns" away by stating "...but we were so successful".

To be honest, even back in the day, I thought it was a quite an un-Fergie like action to step down as the manager and doing nothing to prevent David Gill from stepping down at the same time. This was always going to make life for the "new ones" way harder than it would have been, if there was a one or two year delay in between. I mean both of them must have been aware of the inexperience of Woodward (not even starting about Moyes on this level) so in conclusion: I don't blame SAF for it, but there would have been a few things that could have been done to smooth'en the whole transition.

Ed has been rightfully criticised for a few things in here but context is king and you lose out on a valuable lesson if you just end the issue by declaring someone as the scapegoat.

Adnan said:
Ed Woodward's fault was that he gave too much control to the managers when it came to recruitment. The problem was that it took him too long to take that control away IMO. If anyone wants to moan about the CEO at the club, then look no further than Woodward's predecessor David Gill, who is to blame for our malaise post Fergie. My previous posts in here shed light on why I come to that conclusion.
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I agree with you on that. How do you know all these things about the state of the academy? Do you have some links to explore?

There is one thing I'd like to add a few points to your statements. You mentioned that the manager choices were met by a mostly happy fanbase and that some negativity today arises from the "hindsight is 20-20" standpoint. I think you are right but this "fanbase being happy with appointments" is a problematic barometer as happiness potentially stems more from something manifesting the end of something dreadful than the outlook of something promising starting.

I mean we have all witnessed Moyes and his struggles, so it felt somewhat good when LVG was announced to take over from him as at least he came with the pedigree of being a top club manager. But even back then LVG was not one of the more sought-after managers. It took Heynckes to finish and polish his job at FC Bayern and I think most of our fans had some comments from Bayern-players in mind, pointing out that LVG laid the foundations for the great Bayern side of 2013/14, that thumped Barcelona in the CL 7:0. It was about laying good foundations at ManUnited with LVG from at least my perspective while he himself seemingly started some sort of Galactico route.

Mourinho himself came also from a rather unfavourable position, having been axed by Chelsea after taking part of very ugly things surrounding that club for while. I guess, the fan happiness was even more connected to LVG really torturing us with his brand of football and his obvious insistence of proving himself to be not-outdated while hampering the club on that egoistic quest.
If I remember correctly even back then I think the most optimistic fans were saying "lets hope Mourinho is serious about this being a long-term commitment and hopefully at least he could bring some level of success back to stabilize the club and make progress on the transition". I think, the majority was aware that stylistically, Mourinho players and LVG players are quite different. And I think the majority was very aware of Mourinho being a potential risk as we have seen him creating deep issues within the squad and club on at least two instances (Chelsea and Real).

All in all, I think "fans were happy back then" isn't a good barometer for evaluating the job of the one person responsible for appointing the manager.
 
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Have a listen to Ole at yesterday's press conference. It's repackaging, a fella at the club for 7 years given a new title. Judge still involved in transfers and Woody oversees it all.
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I think it is a legitimate concern that this is some sort of repackaging. I agree that some sort of external impulses could have been benefitial but on the other side, this impuls doesn't necessarily need to come from the DOF. And if stabilizing is the main focus for now, it is even more valid to give some new capabilities to people, that had time to analyze the club who are now very aware of the things, that work well or not so well.

The way the restructuring of the club appears to be, is a very very good thing for me. Even having your concern in the back of my head I think, having these roles and positions within the hierarchie (and having them made public) is major step forward. It might be familiar names today but in the future, the owner has it way more difficult to take away the position without giving a proper reason than to just get rid of a certain person. That should ensure some level of continuity in itself. Plus let's hope they did a very detailed assignment of activities, duties, responsibilities, accountabilities to really lay foundations how this club is supposed to be run (from a football point of view). So even if the current personal fails for whatever reasons, it is now way easier to identify the needed skillset for full-filling a specific role. Of course it isn't a guarantee for success but for me it is big step of updating the clubs firmware. This update was overdue for multiple reasons, not all being that somebody made a mistake but also that an update wasn't needed as long as the end product was satisfying.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
There's been so many pages since I opened this thread - has anything new come to light of this? I was here about 23 pages ago when we made the appointment, where there were more positive vibes than negative, but it seems people have become more negative in last few pages.

Any actual reason for this?
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Id also like the know the answer to this question, is there any actual news or have the last 20-odd pages been bashing Woodward and Glazers?
 
Adisa said:
I don't have faith in anyone in any position at the club.
Ed Woodward should not be here.
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Yeah why to think about the change at all when you can dully criticise board again. Sigh. This forum is dead.
 
So Darren Fletcher who has been coaching for about a year, probably just about earned his badges, has been made Technical director of the worlds biggest football club. And Carrick who has been coaching for 2 years? First team coach, and Ole who has won nothing or achieved anything in any major tournament is given full backing and a pay rise for achieving top 4. Unreal.
 
NZT-One said:
I think it is a legitimate concern that this is some sort of repackaging. I agree that some sort of external impulses could have been benefitial but on the other side, this impuls doesn't necessarily need to come from the DOF. And if stabilizing is the main focus for now, it is even more valid to give some new capabilities to people, that had time to analyze the club who are now very aware of the things, that work well or not so well.

The way the restructuring of the club appears to be, is a very very good thing for me. Even having your concern in the back of my head I think, having these roles and positions within the hierarchie (and having them made public) is major step forward. It might be familiar names today but in the future, the owner has it way more difficult to take away the position without giving a proper reason than to just get rid of a certain person. That should ensure some level of continuity in itself. Plus let's hope they did a very detailed assignment of activities, duties, responsibilities, accountabilities to really lay foundations how this club is supposed to be run (from a football point of view). So even if the current personal fails for whatever reasons, it is now way easier to identify the needed skillset for full-filling a specific role. Of course it isn't a guarantee for success but for me it is big step of updating the clubs firmware. This update was overdue for multiple reasons, not all being that somebody made a mistake but also that an update wasn't needed as long as the end product was satisfying.
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There’s a good chance it is just repackaging and there will be no real change. There’s also no one in a senior position who’s actually proven they can do their role to the level required. A CEO that’s presided over failure, a negotiator that over pays nine times out of ten, a manager that has only been successful in Norway, Fletcher has no experience and Murtaugh who has worked his way up but again has no experience as a DOF.

They’ve got the jobs now so hopefully it works out but on paper their certainly not a dream team. Too much emphasis on culture and DNA for my liking reminds me of the Liverpool ‘boot room’ way of thinking and being stuck in the past.
 
GazTheLegend said:
Edit: this, presumably, is just to allow him to get more info the public eye and deflect criticism of our processes which are clearly more robust than "Ed Woodward is God and decides everything"! (And I love Ed, so I'm definitely in the tiny minority there ha ha)
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I get not hating him like everyone else but it boggles my mind that any MUFC fan could think this man warrants anything that resembles love.
 
Adnan said:
Who said he was wrong to give power to SAF? Did you even read what I wrote or am I wasting my team here?
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You said this. Unless this is not written in English, this means you blame David Gill for Woodward's 8 years of shamble.

"If anyone wants to moan about the CEO at the club, then look no further than Woodward's predecessor David Gill, who is to blame for our malaise post Fergie. "


Then you wrote and essay of why appointing from outside is a disaster. Yeh, United appointed an insider, like Ed Woodward, is not a fecking disaster alright.

Laughable.
 
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