LVG: Man Utd is a commercial club, not like Bayern Munich.

Obviously spot on.

Only thing is that we are getting more football people in place in recent times. And if reports are correct, Arnold will be much less involved in football matters than Ed

So hopefully an easier environment for a manager now
 
He probably thinks that because we (classlessly) sacked him mere hours after winning a cup that we cared more about the financial implications of not making top 4 than about the trophy he’d won. What he doesn’t realise is that limping over the line against Palace in extra time at the end of a season which saw us score about 12 goals whilst boring the tits off everyone had more to do with it.
 
2 man midfield said:
He probably thinks that because we (classlessly) sacked him mere hours after winning a cup that we cared more about the financial implications of not making top 4 than about the trophy he’d won. What he doesn’t realise is that limping over the line against Palace in extra time at the end of a season which saw us score about 12 goals whilst boring the tits off everyone had more to do with it.
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Not really. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed in pointing out that he failed here. Yes he did. It doesn't change the fact that he is right here. He knows more about how this club functions than any of us because he was the fecking manager. When your CEO talks about clicks, shares and retweets and mentions that on field performances don't matter, you dont need rocket science to prove that this club is all about commercials.
 
He is correct in the terms of the commercial aspect of the club 100%.

The comparison to Bayern is a bit off for me Bayern focus on football is admirable but 8 years out of 10 they'll win the league and if they don't they'll take the team that does best players with no hassle that makes life a lot easier for them, since 1999 they've won one CL more than us
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Not really. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed in pointing out that he failed here. Yes he did. It doesn't change the fact that he is right here. He knows more about how this club functions than any of us because he was the fecking manager. When your CEO talks about clicks, shares and retweets and mentions that on field performances don't matter, you dont need rocket science to prove that this club is all about commercials.
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I’m not going to defend the owners or the way the club is run, but it’s also easy to see why he’d be biased. He clearly still has a massive chip on his shoulder.
 
Samid said:


This extinct wanker needs to shut up already.
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All well he talking sense about the commercial stuff, then you remember he is a footballing person and you think of the dross he bought and the style of play, all from a football man.


Seems to what no blame for his setting back of the club with woody etc
 
2 man midfield said:
I’m not going to defend the owners or the way the club is run, but it’s also easy to see why he’d be biased. He clearly still has a massive chip on his shoulder.
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Any sensible footballing personality who has nothing to do with MUFC would give the same advice to anyone thinking about taking over the hotseat at the Theatre of Dreams.
 
Flexdegea said:
All well he talking sense about the commercial stuff, then you remember he is a footballing person and you think of the dross he bought and the style of play, all from a football man.


Seems to what no blame for his setting back of the club with woody etc
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He didnt actually set us back though did he?
The club chose to go in a completely different direction after him (Jose) and whilst he was here didn't spend enough on top talent.

Whilst he was here we developed a team which was comfortable controlling posession but didnt have the attacking talent to unlock teams (we still had Rooney as the senior CF). Saying that he was getting a tune out of the young attacking talent we had like Martial, Lingard and Rashford.

Had we hired a manager who shared his playing style or stuck with him a little longer and spent more. I have no doubt we would he in a better place. The fact we are still looking for a CDM / ball playing CB after selling Blind (because Jose thought he was too short) highlights some of the silliness.
 
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Exactly. What good is a large transfer budget when the people deciding how it’s spent are looking for big name stars and not the best players for the team?
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Yeah big name has beens and kids with a good resale value have been a disproportionate part of their spending. All rather random on the pitch.
 
He's not entirely wrong though because at that time we didn't have DoF and instead Ed who knows nothing about football was the one who run the show. Now we have DoF, while Arnold already said that he won't involve in the football department, so may be it's different now. We will only know once we have proper manager.
 
Cassidy said:
He didnt actually set us back though did he?
The club chose to go in a completely different direction after him (Jose) and whilst he was here didn't spend enough on top talent.

Whilst he was here we developed a team which was comfortable controlling posession but didnt have the attacking talent to unlock teams (we still had Rooney as the senior CF). Saying that he was getting a tune out of the young attacking talent we had like Martial, Lingard and Rashford.

Had we hired a manager who shared his playing style or stuck with him a little longer and spent more. I have no doubt we would he in a better place. The fact we are still looking for a CDM / ball playing CB after selling Blind (because Jose thought he was too short) highlights some of the silliness.
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I'm sick of hearing people talking about him building a team that's good in possession. That's not true. He built a team that just keeps passing the ball sideways and backwards in its own half. Man United used to spend the majority of the game in their own half passing the ball. Oppositions were fine with us passing the ball in our own half the entire game. That's not possession. Possession is actually controlling the ball in the opposition's own damn half.

LVG's football was some of the worst I have seen in my life. Pretty much the worst implementation of possession based football in modern times. Absolute coward.

Also when did LVG get a tone out of Lingard ? His best season actually came under Mourinho.

Even if Pep Guardiola had been hired after him, he would have also thrown whatever shit he installed into players in the rubbish. No manager would have built on what LVG did, no one.
 
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I'm sick of hearing people talking about him building a team that's good in possession. That's not true. He built a team that just keeps passing the ball sideways and backwards in its own half. Man United used to spend the majority of the game in their own half passing the ball. Oppositions were fine with us passing the ball in our own half the entire game. That's not possession. Possession is actually controlling the ball in the opposition's own damn half.

LVG's football was some of the worst I have seen in my life. Pretty much the worst implementation of possession based football in modern times. Absolute coward.



Also when did LVG get a tone out of Lingard ? His best season actually came under Mourinho.

Even if Pep Guardiola had been hired after him, he would have also thrown whatever shit he installed into players in the rubbish. No manager would have built on what LVG did, no one.
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We beat alot of good sides like Liverpool City etc because we were good in possession. We were not great, we needed much better midfielders, but we were a millions times better than we are now on the ball and with worse players

We needed to build on this and not rip it up.
 
Cassidy said:
He didnt actually set us back though did he?
The club chose to go in a completely different direction after him (Jose) and whilst he was here didn't spend enough on top talent.

Whilst he was here we developed a team which was comfortable controlling posession but didnt have the attacking talent to unlock teams (we still had Rooney as the senior CF). Saying that he was getting a tune out of the young attacking talent we had like Martial, Lingard and Rashford.

Had we hired a manager who shared his playing style or stuck with him a little longer and spent more. I have no doubt we would he in a better place. The fact we are still looking for a CDM / ball playing CB after selling Blind (because Jose thought he was too short) highlights some of the silliness.
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He literally gutted a team, and bought mostly shite.


He defo done a lot of damage. I like Van Gaal, and he got a point about us being run as a commercial club at the time with Woody at the helm........but he also enjoyed a lot of backing himself, and overseen a very numbing time at the club.


He certainly can take the blame too
 
Cassidy said:
We beat alot of good sides like Liverpool City etc because we were good in possession. We were not great, we needed much better midfielders, but we were a millions times better than we are now on the ball and with worse players

We needed to build on this and not rip it up.
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We also beat a lot of good sides like Liverpool City etc under Mourinho and Ole, so what really ?

LVG did nothing to build on. Instructing his players to keep on passing the ball in their own half isn't really a thing worthy to keep mentioned.
 
He’s trying to get his own back, the bitter oul fecker. Let’s hope ETH has heard good stuff about the club from big Ed, not rent a quote
 
He can feck off. His football in the second season was the most boring shite I've ever watched and he managed to waste millions too and set the club back by years. But of course none of this was LvG's fault. :rolleyes:
 
tomaldinho1 said:
We did fire him via the press so I actually have sympathy, United did him dirty.
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United handled his sacking poorly and he's right we're a commercial club, but I find it rude to talk about your ex club that way in public, and he has done several times. He could have given this advice to Ten Hag in the face and just dodged the question. Ultimately, it comes down as if he's still bitter about something that happened 6 years ago.
 
el3mel said:
United handled his sacking poorly and he's right we're a commercial club, but I find it rude to talk about your ex club that way in public, and he has done several times. He could have given this advice to Ten Hag in the face and just dodged the question. Ultimately, it comes down as if he's still bitter about something that happened 6 years ago.
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Mourinho takes cheeky digs any chance he gets as well but have you had problems with those?
 
Id be interested to hear his thoughts on Rashford and how he would’ve developed him, presumably as a centre forward
 
Rolaholic said:
Mourinho takes cheeky digs any chance he gets as well but have you had problems with those?
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Mourinho didn't say anything disrespectful about Man United as an ex club he has managed before since he left, and these "digs" you're talking about he's usually throwing against any club he faces, and he faced us as an opponent after he left. It's not specific to Man United. That's his usual game, has nothing to do with him being an ex manager. Meanwhile, LVG's quotes is just bitterness from the way he's sacked, and it's disrespectful to say such a thing in public about a club he managed before.
 
Cassidy said:
We beat alot of good sides like Liverpool City etc because we were good in possession. We were not great, we needed much better midfielders, but we were a millions times better than we are now on the ball and with worse players

We needed to build on this and not rip it up.
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Yep.

We did something we've never done in my lifetime - play Liverpool off the park at Juanfield. We also played brilliant possession football at the Etihad with TEN men, which we've never done since City won the lottery. Rooney almost scored a beauty that game, too.
 
Just looking out for his fellow countryman, he doesn’t owe us any loyalty, nor do we need look back on him with any fondness.
 
el3mel said:
United handled his sacking poorly and he's right we're a commercial club, but I find it rude to talk about your ex club that way in public, and he has done several times. He could have given this advice to Ten Hag in the face and just dodged the question. Ultimately, it comes down as if he's still bitter about something that happened 6 years ago.
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LVG is just honest. Ask him a question you’ll get an answer - doesn’t make him right in everything he says and he’s a stubborn bastard from what we’ve seen but I’ve no issues with people talking about former employers in a fair way.
 
Thanks Louie for the glowing recommendation. But that's his experience to be fair. Hopefully ETH is interested.
 
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Every time we discuss LVG, that Juanfield game came in discussion. It's as if time stops after this game. The fact that LVG fans have to recycle the same 2 or 3 games over and over again to show that his United side "dominated" big teams says it all.

Anyway, this is the Liverpool side we dominated at Juanfield.

https://www8.0zz0.com/2022/03/28/18/586962146.jpg

This Liverpool side finished 6th that year and they played full 45 minutes against us with ten men. They had Brenden Rogers as a manager and they lost 6-1 to Stoke City this year.

Next year when they hired Klopp, LVG had to park the bus to scrap a 1-0 win in a game we faced 19 shots and only had one shot on target which was Rooney's goal, then they destroyed us completely in the EL tie that year.

LVG was managing in a shit Premier League.
 
Gavinb33 said:
He is correct in the terms of the commercial aspect of the club 100%.

The comparison to Bayern is a bit off for me Bayern focus on football is admirable but 8 years out of 10 they'll win the league and if they don't they'll take the team that does best players with no hassle that makes life a lot easier for them, since 1999 they've won one CL more than us
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It's not only about winning CL, it's about challenging.
Only Real Madrid has won more matches than Bayern Munich in the UCL.
Bayern have been competing and going far in the UCL since 2009 for 13 years straight, not even Barcelona or Ferguson's United did that.

It's undeniable that Bayern Munich it's the best run club out of all the big clubs out there.

What Van Gaal said it's true.
 
Well he may be right but with all his experience at his previous (football) clubs with their football structures he could have advised us better. I expected much more on and off the pitch when we hired him.
 
Nothing to see here, everyone knows that Van Gaal has become the shouty old man of football and has had a beef with United since the day he was sacked.

the only question is would you slap him if he spat hot bovril in your wife’s face?
 
Jaybomb said:
Is he wrong?

United used to have traditions. But it seems like we’ve fallen out of touch with that since Sir Alex retired.

But Van Gaal was a big part of that too... the majority of his signings were not Manchester United players. It was obvious to me that Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Darmian wouldn’t work out here. The two LVG signings I was actually excited about; Di Maria and Falcao turned out to be two flops. And that was mostly down to LVG himself.

Mourinho’s kind of getting us back on track... Pogba, Ibra, Sanchez, Bailly and Matic are all what I’d call proper United players. I could see them all under Ferguson winning titles.... but Mkhitaryan was an obvious one that was never gonna make it here. That’s the only one Mourinho got wrong IMO.

Having said all that, I wish we would become more about the football again. I miss the days when we had an British core. Nowadays we just seem to be chucking hundreds of thousands at “world class” players and hoping they’ll fit the bill of what a United player is all about. It’s just not that simple. I don’t think Luis Figo would have worked out at United as well as say... David Beckham did. That doesn’t mean Beckham is the better player... it just means he’s more suited to the club and we need to make better judgements going forward.
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How was it obvious that Morgan, Depay and Darmian wouldn't work out at Utd?
Their form was good at their previous clubs and I thought we were getting good signings and was surprised they didn't work out.
 
Bondi77 said:
How was it obvious that Morgan, Depay and Darmian wouldn't work out at Utd?
Their form was good at their previous clubs and I thought we were getting good signings and was surprised they didn't work out.
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Schneiderlin’s drop off confuses me to this day.
 
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