He's light years ahead of Valencia. It's madness to suggest otherwise IMO.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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A lot of exaggeration here. What warranted him being 'dreadful'? He was decent. Had 1 alright cross after beating two men, set Rafael away down the right for one of our better chances. People's support of him stem from the fact he offers so much more than Valencia - Valencia gets two or three games in a row to prove himself, Nani gets the one.
Went past his man a couple of times, moved into central positions, linked up well, and put in a few good balls. I think you'll find he did much better than Valencia.
He'll probably get stick from some quarters but he actually made some penetrative passes and his set pieces were also good. He opened up the game on a few occasions.
He was alright, looked afraid to try anything special for fear of getting booed. Still has more creativity in him than the rest of our wingers (bar Adnan of course).
He'll probably get dropped again now, instead of being given a run of games to find his best form.
He'll probably get dropped again now, instead of being given a run of games to find his best form.
But he also did stupid things like make a shit pass near our box and take a stupid short corner. I've always found Nani to be an incredibly infuriating player because he will do atleast 3-4 stupid things per match but then with him for whatever reason I focus on the negatives.
But yes he's a better option than Valencia for the simple reason that he can do more than "beat the player, hit the first man" routine.
But that's about it really, went past his man few times. He's created 1 chance off the corner, 17 out of 23 passes have been successful, 2 out of 6 crosses have been successful.
We're so used to our wingers being shit that we're settling for medicority I think.
Thing is a couple months back he went with it, then Nani had one poor game against Stoke I think, where he still got the assist and then he dropped him completely. I think he knows they can be a good combo I just think he still wants to play it safe at times. Can only hope he goes for it I guess.
He gave plenty of arguments, beat people in tight areas, put in a couple of dangerous balls, put Rafael in some good positions because his movement actually creates space for the full back and defended as well as Valencia would have. Wasn't a particularly good game but for was better than what we've seen in general from the above players. And unlike Valencia, Nani's not been given a solid run of games to find his form, or in Valencia's case at least a season.
Should of got rid when we had the chance 1 good season out of what 5-6? Not good enough from him.
It's actually you lot, MoneyMay, who need to leave it I'm afraid. This thread looks ridiculous at times as does your defending of his performance.
It seems your agenda is purely to come into this thread whenever he plays and have a go at him and those who wanted him to play more.
Your tagline fits well.
If I remember correctly, he made two awful passes, but it was a good performance overall. He did all he could and it's no coincidence he looked better on the counter, considering how poor our build-up play has been this season.
He's a better option to have than Valencia because of his diverse skill-set. He's not done much wrong thus far this season, but we need him to be consistently great. That isn't going to happen if he's going to be taken off in events like today, or situations where he doesn't start. There is no justification for bringing on Zaha. In fact, Nani looked very good at the start of the half.
I know that's about it, but you would take that over Valencia every day of the week. And when you consider he has been treated unfairly this season, you'll take that from him. That's all Nani could do when our build-up is poor. Look at Januzaj as well and how he had to create everything himself. It's hard in our current system, it really is. And the crosses stats are misleading because you don't need to find a man for the cross to constitute "very good".
Him and Januzaj are easily our best options, our problems today were midfield based.
Partially agree with this.
He was better than Valencia in the last few games, but no where near great. I think we need a real overhaul on the flanks.
Do you know what leave it yeah means?
I'm not defending Nani's performance, I'm suggesting that it was a decent performance, but that's about it.
I don't see what's funny about that. But carry on, Theon - it seems you've been badly hurt by our debates. (Insert what you think I said here.)
I think my tagline was best described by someone some time ago when another Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime said 'your tagline suits you'. That someone replied that I was the last person he saw describing Nani as world-class and defending him throughout the tough periods. Obviously, you may still use the tagline as a humorous argument as that's probably the best you have. Btw your tagline doesn't look to clever to be fair either.
And I won't even answer exhaustively to the first part of your post as it smacks hypocrisy. Not that it surprises me.
I wouldn't take Valencia over Nani, no, I'm just trying to point out that we'd have been on Valencia's back right now and that's including me. As I said, I don't want to blame it all on Nani because it's every single player today and on Wednesday that let us down massively, problem is with lack of the movement and so on, but I as well think that we're often talking about Nani as if he was a player that's produced so many good things lately, meanwhile, he's produced odd 4 assist and 1 goal in bloody two seasons. This is shockingly bad for a club that relies on the wings.
Lowered standards for the middle are somewhat understandable ( I believe ) because we've been lacking there for a long time now, but lowered standards on the wings PLUS lowered standards in the midfield are costing us points now.
2 out of 6 crosses? That's one more than Valencia managed with 30 crosses,...in his last 3 games.
probably cause you have no idea what it's about.You haven't even argued anything in the thread, just laughed at people who said nice/non-negative things about his performance.
You were the one crying and asking for an apology, chief.
You seem to think that whenever someone disagrees with you they have an agenda, its really strange. I found that post funny because its ridiculous.
Moyes doesn't know how to manage technical players like Nani.. Okay.
Right winger with right foot helped create our best chances from the right. For the majority though he was played on the left which was bizarre.
Yeah I wouldn't say he was particularly good but on the whole I thought he was decent and offered us more than what we've been getting in general. As I said I really don't think its fully fair to condemn all the wingers until midfield is addressed because they're all affected. Valencia has been off since Scholes had a more reduced role in the team because Scholes is the one player who could get him the ball hig up the pitch and one on one with his fullback. Now Valencia is having to come deeper for the ball and he's not comfortable there. Obviously that speaks of his limitations but we always knew that. He's good at one thing, but when he does it well it's a very handy weapon.
With Nani he too is suffering from the lack of incisive and imaginative passing but as I've always said personally I don't think he's given any of the leeway Valencia has. Nani is in and out of the team. Valencia has been like this since at lease the start or last season, probably before that, but he's been given a number of consistent spells to get some form. Nani simply hasn't so I don't think it's quite as fair the stick he gets. If he gets as many consistent spells without improving than fair enough but until then I think its harsh.
Either way though I think the flanks as a whole would look so much better if we had two proper midifelders to start with.
I'm past the phase of laughing at you, mate. Or any other extremely biased poster.
You haven't even argued anything in the thread, just laughed at people who said nice/non-negative things about his performance.
Aye, so biased, how dare I say he played ... "alright".
Now I'd have to say 'Standards have dropped if that is an alright performance', wouldn't I?
Confidence isn't great at the moment, but that's true of the whole team. Nani isn't playing with much assurance, he's clearly holding something back. Even so there was enough to suggest we should let him get a run. Zaha looked so rusty, and Valencia/Young are what they are. Some of his passing and crossing looked threatening enough without someone getting on the end of them. When we can get our players on the same wavelength he'll justify the faith.
Just ask yourselves which wing play you'd rather see. Nani/Januzaj or Valencia/Welbeck? The last 2 games showed what each one is all about. At least today we saw defenders being taken on, link play, switching from side to side and better deliveries. There was so much more balance instead of 90% attacking down the right flank.
Just ask yourselves which wing play you'd rather see. Nani/Januzaj or Valencia/Welbeck? The last 2 games showed what each one is all about. At least today we saw defenders being taken on, link play, switching from side to side and better deliveries. There was so much more balance instead of 90% attacking down the right flank.
He wasn't very good but he's coming in off the back of having no match sharpness and a team devoid of confidence. I'd prefer to have seen him out right more, though.
It is better than Valencia, yes, but it still does not cement his position in the starting 11, so as I see it, he gave no arguments to Moyes.
You're so butt hurt its unreal, you really need to give yourself a shake and pull yourself together.
Anyway, wow - you actually don't think Moyes can manage Nani. I'll leave you to that opinion MoneyMay, its one of the most absurd I've ever read and you should have more faith in our manager. It's a wonder how he's getting the most out of more talented players like Rooney, but nevermind.
It was alright, average, not bad, not good, didn't do much right, didn't do much wrong, still probably one of our better players today though, which doesn't say much, mind.
You're one of a very select few on here who thinks he wasn't alright, are you sure I'm the biased one?
A look in the MotM thread says it all. He was alright today
I'm not really, you're acting juvenile again. If being "butt hurt" means asking for an apology after a poster inserts words into posts and doesn't read them properly, then so be it. At least I don't do the same thing and have dignity when I debate.
I don't think he is managing him properly at the moment. I do think he can be managed properly. Big difference. He's a flexible player, he can come in centrally, but I don't think Moyes has enough trust in him. Again, why has Nani played one CL game? You would expect more. And Rooney is more talented than Nani? Right. Both play in different positions.
I wouldn't waste your time mate. Some people aren't going to rate Nani unless he scores some screamers or actually gets the assists even if he is creating. He wasn't at his best, he wasn't particularly good, but he clearly wasn't bad and he clearly wasn't the problem.
Is he not?
You tell me.
Nani should be playing more. I just don't think Moyes has managed him properly at all - he's been too safe, which led to my opinion. I personally believe the best opinion has come from @Kostur. Very balanced and a lot of truth in it.
What I love about great wingers is the fear they create in the defenders every time they get the ball. They have the pace and trickery to get past pretty much anyone and can create pretty much from anything. Nani used to create that awe, just like Bale does, and it made defenders back off a bit. These days, he does´t seem so dangerous anymore. As Cina said, not bad, but not good either.
Well, if it's better than Valencia even though it was his first start in more than month in premierleague, I don't see why it shouldn't give Moyes argument to play him more than Valencia.
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