Television Lost: Season 5

I also noticed this, 2:35 in. :eek:

Spooky.....So...this is all just a big game of backgammon then!

Is this from the Pilot? the writers always claimed there was something in the pilot that would prove they knew the ending, or what their game plan was, back then...
 
There are biblical references to God sending two angels to Sodom and Gommorah to set tests and pass judgement on the cities before he destroys them (starts with God asking them to find 50 good people, then 40, 30, 20, 10 and eventually they can only find one (Lot) and he and his family are spared from God's wrath).

Now what if Jacob and Nemesis were sent to earth a couple of hundred years ago and were given the island as a kind of paradise where they could test man, and they have been doing this through various groups like the crew of the Black Rock, Dharma, Flight 815 and even before that (see the dialogue between Nemesis and Jacob at the start as they look at the Black Rock in the distance). Jacob believes that mankind are worthy of being saved, where as Nemesis believes they have failed so many times that they have the proof to go back to God to say that mankind needs to be wiped out but can't until Jacob agrees with him, that is why he hates Jacob so much and wants to kill him.

To further this theory I believe that the island is going to be a Garden of Eden where society can begin again after God's Wrath and that Jacob is looking for the right group of people to settle there and form this new society, hence the statue of Taweret who is there to guard the fetility of the island inhabitants that will repopulate the island and restart God's mankind experiment. I believe in Season 6 we will see how Nemesis destroyed the statue at some point after Dharma arrived in the hopes that this would scupper any of Jacob's plans, no kids = no society = no future for mankind and he can go home. When this doesn't even stop Jacob (who uses Dharma to try and find a way around the fertility problem) Jacob finally puts in place Plan B to rid himself of Jacob (The One Who Will Save Us All) and manipulates Locke and Ben throughout a number of decades so that he can find his loophole to go home, not his loophole to kill Jacob (although it ends up being one and the same).

The questions this leaves is why Jacob so willing offered up his own life (he must have known Ben was at breaking point and saying 'What about you?' would push him over the edge) and who 'They' are when he says 'They're coming', because I'm not convinced he was talking about the returning 1977 Losties (note the genuine fear on Nemesis's face when he says it). I do think Nemesis is the more evil of the two (although I'm not convinced either are evil) due to the final shot we see of Nemesis and Ben as the flames (of Hell?) licked up in front of them.

Also, how awesome an ending to the TV show would it be (at least visually) for all of humanity outside the island to be purged in much the same way Dharma was purged by the Others after they had proven themselves unworthy inhabitants of the island?!

Found this on another forum.
 
Found this on another forum.

I liked the second paragraph about how this has happened before and will happen again (a little like BSG! :lol:) as it would make what the nemesis at the begin said make sense - ie they come fight kill and corrupt. However i cant say i like the overall theory...
 
I liked the second paragraph about how this has happened before and will happen again (a little like BSG! :lol:) as it would make what the nemesis at the begin said make sense - ie they come fight kill and corrupt. However i cant say i like the overall theory...

Let's just hope that, unlike BSG, the Finale isn't totally fecking shit.

Edit: Oh, wait. I just read that "theory", and if it actually is like that, then it will be totally fecking shit.
 
I really really hope it isn't a quasi religious biblical allegory!!!...it's looking plausible now though!

Also, another random connection to the Esau Theory which would (sort of) prove they had this in mind all along

In the bible, Jacob & Esau are twins...With Esau presumably being the Bad Twin!!
 
Gonna depend which way they go.

Can seem them go with a shock ending to the whole series, a WTF moment like S3 finale, though it is simply impossible for them to top that.

They have mentioned that S6 would be more like S1, so hopefully more character centric stories than wow moments. But series finale is not going to be Jack going with his gun to kill the other guy.
 
I really really hope it isn't a quasi religious biblical allegory!!!...it's looking plausible now though!

Also, another random connection to the Esau Theory which would (sort of) prove they had this in mind all along

In the bible, Jacob & Esau are twins...With Esau presumably being the Bad Twin!!

I wouldn't particularly mind a quasi religious ending as long as it's something like the Egyptian mythology. Let's be honest, there's already time travel and speaking to the dead. I just don't want it to go Biblical. The difference is that no one actually believes in Egyptian mythology anymore (and also it's much cooler than Christian/Judaic/Muslim mythology).
 
Im re-watching the finale on Sky and i'm amazed that theyve actualy CUT bits out!!!

I first noticed it at the bit where they find Rose & Bernard, when they explain that they are retired and they hid from Jin etc they cut that down to a 1 minute scene if that.

I've only been half watching it so I might have missed others but what is the point? The bit they cut explains why we havnt seen them all season so it's not an unessesary part and even if it was I still dont get it.

The Uk is always getting chubbed, it also makes me wonder what bits I have potentialy missed as this is the first season I downloaded from the US
 
Probably cause Sky are advert loving whores. Bit ridiculous if they're done that.

From what I recall the episode was 1 hour 25 minutes. Surely Sky haven't got more than 35 minutes of adverts in 2 hours?
 
Probably cause Sky are advert loving whores. Bit ridiculous if they're done that.

From what I recall the episode was 1 hour 25 minutes. Surely Sky haven't got more than 35 minutes of adverts in 2 hours?

Dunno, but to be fair, the Rose & Bernard scene and Jack & Sawyer fight scene are the only ones I have noticed....so far.
 
Also whilst re-watching I picked up on what the fat guy with Illana (whats his name again?) said about Frank

It was something like "What, do you think he's a possible candidate?"

Then they realise Frank is awake and he asks what he could be a candidate for but they don't answer.

So my friends, what could Frank be a candidate for? A body for Jacob to use like Mr.x has used Lockes perhaps?
 
i bet Spoony has this

A Lost-inspired number entering game has been released on the iPhone.

Developed by Smallrock Software, Doomsday Terminal requires players to enter in a series of numbers every 108 minutes, according to Kotaku.

The application was inspired by US TV series Lost, which featured a computer terminal inside an underground hatch into which the survivors must enter numbers to avert disaster.

While the application uses a different set of numbers from the show, messages can be sent through the terminal that will be distributed to other players at random.

The current survival record stands at just over a week.
 
Also whilst re-watching I picked up on what the fat guy with Illana (whats his name again?) said about Frank

It was something like "What, do you think he's a possible candidate?"

Then they realise Frank is awake and he asks what he could be a candidate for but they don't answer.

So my friends, what could Frank be a candidate for? A body for Jacob to use like Mr.x has used Lockes perhaps?

good catch that :eek:

i think that's why frank is there.....he's of no use anyway.
 
Also whilst re-watching I picked up on what the fat guy with Illana (whats his name again?) said about Frank

It was something like "What, do you think he's a possible candidate?"

Then they realise Frank is awake and he asks what he could be a candidate for but they don't answer.

So my friends, what could Frank be a candidate for? A body for Jacob to use like Mr.x has used Lockes perhaps?

good catch that :eek:

i think that's why frank is there.....he's of no use anyway.

Is Frank, Lapidus?
 
Well i only saw this yesterday and apparently stuff was cut from the uk version. Hopefully nothing important, doesn't matter anyway as i'll buy the dvd at somepoint and watch through again. But what a cracking finale.

But my theory is, as Miles pointed out, what if setting off the bomb is what caused the problem in the first place? And that flashes them back to the normal timeline, hence the "they're coming" bit by Jacob. Although i want to know what Richard meant when he said he watched them all die, maybe he saw the bomb go off and never saw them again so presumed them dead. I think they're going to pop back to the island in the "normal" timeline, and then this crazy god/devil backgammon madness will hopefully come to an quality conclusion.
 
Oh yeah and also. In all of the orientation films presented my Dr Chang, he always gestures with his right arm, very rarely moving his left. In the finale his left arm is crushed and then freed by Miles, i think they're still going with the what's done is done theory.

That's what i think anywho.
 
Oh yeah and also. In all of the orientation films presented my Dr Chang, he always gestures with his right arm, very rarely moving his left. In the finale his left arm is crushed and then freed by Miles, i think they're still going with the what's done is done theory.

That's what i think anywho.

I think its interesting to compare the events of this 'incident' shown in the finale and when the Hatch was destroyed when Desmond pressed the fail safe button.

I'm assuming that the fail safe button was the detonation of a hydro bomb (we see a bright white flash after all, exactly the same as the finale). So could Juliet have the same after effects as Desmond?

If we look at how events played out in the finale, the breach would have happened no matter if Jack and co weren't on the island. Except Dharma wouldn't have had a hydro nuke ready to disable it. Therefore its pretty safe to assume that Jack and co were always meant to go back in time and were always meant to detonate the Bomb. Theres no other explanation to how Candle and co would have been able to stop the breach from escalating.
 
I just watched the two first episodes. Can't believe it has been 5 years since I last saw them. One thing I noticed was that the actor who played the air plane pilot is the same guy who is Parkman in Heroes.



I also noticed this, 2:35 in. :eek:

Walt: [My ma] got sick, she died a couple of weeks ago.
Locke: *pause* You're having a bad month.

Cracked me up :lol:
 
Oh yeah and also. In all of the orientation films presented my Dr Chang, he always gestures with his right arm, very rarely moving his left. In the finale his left arm is crushed and then freed by Miles, i think they're still going with the what's done is done theory.

That's what i think anywho.

That's very interesting, and if it's true (I'm assuming it is), then I agree, "what's done is done" is still on. Though I've always thought they'd continue with that, even after Faraday started his "we can change things" act.
 


This is the orientation for the Swan. Notice how he doesn't move his arm once, in all the others he does though. But were they built or filmed before the Incident? We've seen him already being interrupted doing filming for one of the stations "the arrow" earlier in the season.
 
Yeah we knew he had some sort of prosthetic arm way before the finale. It was always a matter of how he lost it.
 
Have you guys only just noticed his missing arm? thats been under speculation since S2 and it's about time they finaly showed us how he lost it.

As for the bomb being the failsafe key I realy, realy doubt that to be correct for two reasons; a) H-bombs dont implode and b) the bomb has already been exploded.

Regarding WHH i've always been in favour of this and I still think that what they did was what always happend. Nothing has changed and Faraday was wrong.
 
All we know is the consequence of the H-Bomb is a 'game changer' as the Producers put it.
 
Have you guys only just noticed his missing arm? thats been under speculation since S2 and it's about time they finaly showed us how he lost it.

As for the bomb being the failsafe key I realy, realy doubt that to be correct for two reasons; a) H-bombs dont implode and b) the bomb has already been exploded.

Regarding WHH i've always been in favour of this and I still think that what they did was what always happend. Nothing has changed and Faraday was wrong.

unless the electromagnetic abnomoly caused it to implode and maybe as the H Bomb worked so well at stopping it that time (just saying, if it did), maybe they decided to hook the fail safe up to another H Bomb in case it happened again
 
My questions are more basic.

Sawyer told Jack that his parents were killed "a year ago". Then said he could go back and stop his father killing himself and his mother. How, if it had already happened? A year ago was 1976 and the sub. was in 1977.
 
My questions are more basic.

Sawyer told Jack that his parents were killed "a year ago". Then said he could go back and stop his father killing himself and his mother. How, if it had already happened? A year ago was 1976 and the sub. was in 1977.

They were with Dharma for 3 years, and they were given the choice at the start to go back on the sub like Faraday did.
 
They were with Dharma for 3 years, and they were given the choice at the start to go back on the sub like Faraday did.

I know that. But that doesn't explain my question.

They were going back in 1977 - Sawyer said his parents died a year ago. Well they weren't going back to 1976.
 
I think he was saying he could have gone back a year ago and stopped it, but didn't.

Yup. Thats how I took it.

unless the electromagnetic abnomoly caused it to implode and maybe as the H Bomb worked so well at stopping it that time (just saying, if it did), maybe they decided to hook the fail safe up to another H Bomb in case it happened again

Precisely. How would Dharma have found the H Bomb anyway to rig it up to the SWAN station? I think it makes more sense that Candle built the SWAN but included another H Bomb rigged to the failsafe key incase the button wasn't pressed. The only question is why bother to build the SWAN in the first place if they knew how unstable the electromagnetic abnomoly really was?

We also have no idea what would have happened if the Electro Magnetic abnomoly hadn't been disabled, it could have disappaited, or it could have taken apart the entire island. In my opinion though, the entire storyline of LOST makes me believe that the 'incident' we heard about way back in S2 was the events occured by Jack etc going back in time. Therefore the H Bomb was always destined to be detonated.
 
Oh, when did it mention he had a prosthetic arm before? I probably forgot that little bit.

It hasn't ever been mentioned. Its one of those things that the fans noticed and either the producers thought it would be neat to weave it into the storyline or the producers always intended candle to lose his arm and the fans are simply too observant.
 
Who played Jacob? (I mean what actor, not played as in the way Locke has been played etc). He was a great choice - very charismatic.

Looked like Charlie though.
 
Who played Jacob? (I mean what actor, not played as in the way Locke has been played etc). He was a great choice - very charismatic.

Looked like Charlie though.

Mark Pellegrino, I know him as Rita's ex-husband in Dexter.