Lionel Messi

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Fortunate in the sense that the ball came straight back to him.

Not fortunate in that he controlled a ball that came back to him in a split second (which he could know nothing about) and not fortunate to line up a shot and put it straight through the keepers legs.

It's the way he can control it so fast, he beats his players hits a shot at point blank range which the keeper can barely see so it could really have went anywhere get it comes back to him in a flash and he has it under control and has the composure to do what he did. Top marks.
 
Fortunate in the sense that the ball came straight back to him.

Not fortunate in that he controlled a ball that came back to him in a split second (which he could know nothing about) and not fortunate to line up a shot and put it straight through the keepers legs.

It's the way he can control it so fast, he beats his players hits a shot at point blank range which the keeper can barely see so it could really have went anywhere get it comes back to him in a flash and he has it under control and has the composure to do what he did. Top marks.

Compare that speed of execution with Bendtner's when he was in a marvelous position but was too slow to even hit a shot
 
His forth goal was not luck, look how he skipped past Eboue and shielded the ball from Vermalen to get a shot away, he has so much talent to shield the ball that he manages to get two shots away with all the players around them leaving them flapping on their arse. Nothing about the man is luck, it's all calculated genius and he deserves every praise he gets.

feck the right cnut off. I think he's easily the best right now, but you're an embarrassment to men all over the world.
 
I thought the commentators went overboard last night. Messi is a fantastic player but I don't think the performance merited the ejaculations of praise heaped on him last night.

His first goal was him lashing a fortuitous rebound from a blocked pass into the corner.
His second goal was an unmarked run onto a pass in the penalty area which most players should score.
His third goal was undeniably class.
His fourth goal was from another lucky rebound which dropped at his feet.

The way the commentators were speaking, you would have thought he had scored 4 wonder goals and completely dominated the game. I thought it was a fantastic team display and Messi played well and took advantage of some lucky breaks. I am sure he has played far better and only scored 1.

Messibaiter !

In fairness last night was a Champions League Quarter-Final, to perform like that at this level proves his greatness not that he needs to prove anything as he consistently plays this well.
 
feck the right cnut off. I think he's easily the best right now, but you're an embarrassment to men all over the world.

Damn, all men? that's kind of hard to take, every single man? Jeez, that title really stings, I can't even sugarcoat it in a way to make it not sound awful. Not even just in this jurisdiction, but all over the world?

You mean, even dudes in like Alaska are embarassed by Boss from the Internet? No, I can't accept this.:(
 
Damn, all men? that's kind of hard to take, every single man? Jeez, that title really stings, I can't even sugarcoat it in a way to make it not sound awful. Not even just in this jurisdiction, but all over the world?

You mean, even dudes in like Alaska are embarassed by Boss from the Internet? No, I can't accept this.:(

i'm from argentina but i don't feel embarassed by your opinions about messi :)

now, if you ask me about the rest of your opinions ... :p
 
Still don't get why everyone stands back from him. If your that afraid of what he can do, there's no point giving him room to do it in.
 
Magical Lionel Messi a special one - Times Online

Magical Lionel Messi a special one

April 11, 2010
Hugh McIlvanney

How Lionel Messi plays is a heartwarming reminder of why football is the most popular team sport humans have yet devised. It would be a strange spirit that wasn’t lifted by the sight of him in action, the spectacle of a repertoire of wonders delivered in the biggest arenas of the game with the joyful exuberance of a boy having fun among his friends in the schoolyard.

Often when the cameras focus on the face framed by his unkempt hair as he completes the latest surge of productive virtuosity, he looks younger than the 22 we know he is and he seems suffused with a happy sense of awe at what his supernatural affinity with the ball has enabled him to do. His features don’t clench in the expression of I-told-you-so triumphalism affected by many players as they veer at sprinter’s speed away from the scoring of a goal, frequently stripping to the waist so the shirt can be waved like a banner. Messi’s main reaction to the damage he does is to smile, and we smile with him.

Supporters of opposing clubs who suffer from the inspired feats of destruction he perpetrates with outrageous consistency on behalf of Barcelona, as Arsenal loyalists did last Tuesday night when he struck all of the four goals that crushed their Champions League hopes in Catalonia, find themselves feeling it is almost a privilege to fall to such a talent. There is a natural willingness to acclaim him as a living refutation of so many of the depressing values, ranging from the merely tiresome to the downright corrosive, that are prevalent in modern football. Most strikingly, he assiduously eschews the pursuit of celebrity that so absorbs droves of his fellow professionals.

Unadorned by visible tattoos or earrings or fancy clothes, content to drive an unspectacular car provided by his employers, he is excruciatingly shy and uncomfortable with expressing himself when outside the milieu in which he is the unrivalled genius of his era. In the words of the Spain-based writer John Carlin, Messi “concentrates every atom of his being on the pitch; off it he is a shadow”. Of course, that degree of dedication is largely a matter of personality rather than a declaration of moral superiority over less single-minded practitioners of his trade. Certainly it is as silly and unfair to object to the fondness among today’s players for accumulating extrovert symbols of their success as it is to rail judgmentally against the wages they are paid. Emancipation was too long delayed in an entertainment industry that for generations treated the creators of its wealth as little better than serfs and if the financial pendulum has swung excessively, preservation of the dire iniquities of the past would have been infinitely more regrettable. As for footballers’ materialistic flourishing of their wealth, flashily splashing the cash is perhaps to be expected from young men who, contrary to the omens of their background, have hit the mother lode.

And yet there is something reassuring and endearing about Messi’s spontaneous resistance to the Hello! lifestyle, his instinctive opting for the outstanding sportsman’s traditional role of folk hero and not the cheaper identity of celebrity. Even now David Beckham, with a fraction of his ability, has far more global fame but the Argentinian’s renown will, if posterity has any taste for justice, reverberate into the future as an echo of undeniable greatness. It is clearly premature to instal him in the upper reaches of football’s pantheon — the place reserved, to my way of thinking, for Pele, Diego Maradona, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cruyff, with Ferenc Puskas, George Best, Garrincha, Zinedine Zidane, Franz Beckenbauer, John Charles, Stanley Matthews and (an unashamed personal prejudice) Tom Finney perhaps jostling in a throng for a foothold — but what Messi has already done in his fledgling career makes assessing him alongside the supreme exponents of attacking skills in the history of football an entirely legitimate exercise.

Perhaps the obsessive commitment that has nurtured prodigious intrinsic gifts into the all but irresistible armoury he takes on to the field these days owes a lot to the physical disadvantages endured throughout his early years in Rosario, an unprepossessing industrial city 200 miles north-west of Buenos Aires. He was tiny as a child and it was the need for hormone treatment to encourage growth (and the readiness of Barcelona, unlike clubs in his homeland, to undertake the expense of medical care involving daily injections over three years) that ensured his arrival at Camp Nou in 2001 as a 13-year-old. Such experiences presumably fostered an awareness that he and everybody close to him had the kind of investment in his potential that must not be betrayed by inadequate effort.

Barcelona realised almost instantly they had a priceless asset and, as Messi progressed from a competitive debut at 17 along a rising graph of impact through succeeding seasons, the evidence for regarding him as the best player in the world became overwhelming some time before those countering with a case for the brilliance of Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo conceded his superiority. The majority of neutrals’ preference for Messi is obviously further nourished by the pleasure derived from seeing a little man who doesn’t look much like an athlete, a rather hunch-shouldered figure who would never be noticeable in a crowd, wreaking havoc on strapping defenders.

At barely 5ft 7ins and nearer 10.5 than 11st, he reminds us that another beauty of football is its granting of sporting magnificence to seemingly ordinary Joes. Recognition of the current Barcelona team as Europe’s best drives home that truth, since the two players who would be considered their most distinguished after Messi, the midfield masters Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, are also unimpressive in their physical appearance, if never in the inexhaustible energy of their movement. All three men, and the club style they incarnate so thrillingly, represent a healthy rebuttal of the torrents of foolish talk about how increased athleticism and pace have so transformed football that the skills associated with the greatest players of distant decades cannot be invoked for purposes of comparison.

The essential qualities that justify Barca’s status as short-odds favourites to defend their Champions League title, and claim the trophy for the third time in five years, have been benchmarks since Di Stefano was leading Real Madrid to victory in the first five stagings of the continental championship between 1956 and 1960 (scoring in every final). And my memories of the splendours of that run are enough in themselves to oblige me to scorn glib suggestions that Spain’s present standard-bearers are the best club team the game has produced. A more recent objection comes from recalling how Chelsea reduced Barcelona to impotence in a 2009 Champions League semi-final, only to be thwarted by dreadful refereeing, and from back in history there must be summoned the Milan that bridged the late 1980s and early 1990s (with Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Baresi and Maldini) and the Santos of Pele’s precocious prime.

There is much less cause for dismissing the argument that Messi is seriously threatening to join the ultimate elite of Pele, Maradona, Di Stefano and Cruyff but he has some way to go. His talents are, however, sufficiently dazzling to carry him there if he is blessed with prolonged freedom from injury. As a dribbler at speed he ranks with anybody I’ve seen, even Pele and Maradona, manipulating the ball with mesmerising adroitness and contriving brutally abrupt changes of direction at the peak of electric bursts of penetration. His identifying of killer positions is eerily prescient and, though he heavily favours his left foot, his finishing with either boot is deadly, whether subtlety or violence is required. He scored 38 goals for Barcelona last season and will surely pass the 40 mark in this campaign.

His courage is bottomless and his size does not prevent him from riding the fiercest challenges with remarkable demonstrations of strength and a resilience born of his extraordinary balance. Accusations of selfishness are fading before proof he is applying Pele’s golden rule of playing the simple ball when that is what’s advisable and performing miracles only when they are needed. Effortless control enables him to keep his head up and his alertness to everything around him results in passes that can split defences as cruelly as his dribbling. He is, in short, an unmitigated marvel and we’re lucky to be watching him.

But those glorious ghosts have yet to be overtaken. Pele, with a volume of accomplishments too expansive to be detailed, remains my idea of the greatest footballer I ever saw. A whisker behind is Maradona, who made by far the biggest individual contribution to the securing of a World Cup triumph anybody ever witnessed with Argentina in the Mexico finals of 1986 and subsequently raised Napoli to trophy-winning heights the club never approached before or afterwards. Di Stefano guaranteed himself the sport’s version of immortality with Real Madrid and, though Cruyff collected fewer prizes than the unforgettable richness of his technique and his cerebral deploying of it merited, he will always be a giant to me.

It is intriguing to speculate how much Maradona’s volatile, sometimes baffling management of Argentina will affect Lionel Messi’s chances of arriving alongside him in the pantheon during this World Cup summer. But if there is disappointment in South Africa it is more likely to be the old king’s fault than that of the heir to the throne.

McIllvaney is always worth a read and this is one of his better pen portraits IMO.
 
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It's inevitable
 
I'm gonna re-quote auld Hugh for my take on it...

It is clearly premature to instal him in the upper reaches of football’s pantheon — the place reserved, to my way of thinking, for Pele, Diego Maradona, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cruyff, with Ferenc Puskas, George Best, Garrincha, Zinedine Zidane, Franz Beckenbauer, John Charles, Stanley Matthews and (an unashamed personal prejudice) Tom Finney perhaps jostling in a throng for a foothold — but what Messi has already done in his fledgling career makes assessing him alongside the supreme exponents of attacking skills in the history of football an entirely legitimate exercise.
 
So what's that 40 goals this season so far, Barcelona are likely to win their 8th title in two years and Messi has scored in every cup final they have been involved in, , the cl final, the copa del rey,the world club cup and that's not even the best part of his.... game goal scoring, At 22 I think...

....I think it's inevitable
 
Only people who haven't see more than a decade and half of football. . .

I've spoken to a fair few who have and are starting to believe however there are some like to stay stuck in the past and refuse to accept anyone could be better than Maradona.

I'm not saying he is better but I am having a very hard time of believing Maradona was clearly better than Messi when aged 22.
 
I've spoken to a fair few who have and are starting to believe however there are some like to stay stuck in the past and refuse to accept anyone could be better than Maradona.

I'm not saying he is better but I am having a very hard time of believing Maradona was clearly better than Messi when aged 22.

He's not better than Ronaldo aged 22 nevermind Maradona. And it's got nothing to do with being stuck in the past - When Messi leads a lesser team to success, when he takes a game by the scruff only then will I consider him to be an all time great. At the moment he's by far best player in the world but let's get some perspective. And to be fair, if you've not seen greats of the past you're in no way qualified to make a comparison. 'I find it hard to believe' doesn't cut the mustard and is a lazy statement to make.
 
He's not better than Ronaldo aged 22 nevermind Maradona. And it's got nothing to being stuck in the past - When Messi leads a lesser team to success, when he's takes a game by the scruff only then will I consider him to be an all time great. At the moment he's by best player in the world but let's get some persepctive. And to be fair, if you not see other greats of the past you're in now way qualified to make a comparison. 'I find it hard to believe' doesn't cut the mustard and is a lazy statement to make.

What do you mean? He's done this many times
 
I'm with Spoony on this... but I wouldn't be surprised if Messi did go on to surpass Diego.
 
He's not better than Ronaldo aged 22 nevermind Maradona. And it's got nothing to do with being stuck in the past - When Messi leads a lesser team to success, when he takes a game by the scruff only then will I consider him to be an all time great. At the moment he's by far best player in the world but let's get some perspective. And to be fair, if you've not seen greats of the past you're in no way qualified to make a comparison. 'I find it hard to believe' doesn't cut the mustard and is a lazy statement to make.

So Messi would have to leave Barca for a lesser side and lead them to be seen as the greatest?

You're right he wasn't better than Ronaldo aged 22 though I'm not sure what relevance that

Also how often did you watch Maradona in the Eighties? I ask because I didn't watch football then, football coverage of Spanish and Italian football also was very limited so can you say you're qualified to compare the players considering we can watch every game Messi plays, every single minute when that wasn't the case for Maradona.

Also just a general question here Spoony who do you rate more out of Maradona and Pele?
 
So Messi would have to leave Barca for a lesser side and lead them to be seen as the greatest?

You're right he wasn't better than Ronaldo aged 22 though I'm not sure what relevance that

Also how often did you watch Maradona in the Eighties? I ask because I didn't watch football then, football coverage of Spanish and Italian football also was very limited so can you say you're qualified to compare the players considering we can watch every game Messi plays, every single minute when that wasn't the case for Maradona.

Also just a general question here Spoony who do you rate more out of Maradona and Pele?

Let's see if he can take his Argentina team to success. He plays for a brilliant side perhaps the greatest of the last couple of decades - he gets time and space on the ball, he won't and doesn't enjoy similar playing conditions elsewhere. As for Ronaldo of course it's relevant, he's probably the second best player I've seen, it's only fair to compare Messi who's the best in the current generation to the last player people considered to be up there with Maradona and Pele. As for Maradona, I watched him in the 82(best player in world even back then - better than the likes of Platini) and 86 world cups - also in the serie A with Napoli and plenty of other times with his national team - it wasn't the dark ages you know. I watched enough of him. But his career does the talking whereas Messi's is still in its infancy. He's got plenty of time left to lead Argentina and perhaps a future club team that's not as good as his current one.

And I didn't see Pele - aside from video footage.
 
Here is Maradona vs Hungary in the 1982 World Cup, it's an incredible performance but I believe Messi can reach this standard.

One thing you have to say is Messi doesn't have the electric pace Maradona ever did who is like Walcott when sprinting for the ball. Messi has the busts but not this kind of pace you go the whole marathon. Messi has to play his one, twos whilst Maradona could go the whole race on his own.


You can compare this performance with probably Messi's best performance for Argentina so far, against France last year which had sections of the French crowd cheering for the Argies


In terms of leading a lesser team, Messi is a victim of his crcumstances because he's probably going stay at Barca, but breaking into the team at the age he did with all the superstars Barca had says alot about his talent.
 
Messi can be an alltime great. Like Pogue pointed out in the Hugh McIllvaney article. To say he is already there is premature but when you compare him with others and look at him for what he is it isnt unrealistic to put him up there as he is.

He could get 50 goals this season. He could win the world cup. I dont think he'll do either but at 22 he has so much time to cement his legacy. For now he is simply head and shoulders the best in the world. In 10 years he could be considered the best ever or he could just be remmebered for being a great player.

Time will tell but if anyone can get to that level, to be considered a part of footballs all time elite it is this man.
 
The whole team was brilliant against a weakened Arsenal side.

They were going out at nou camp, then he stepped up his game withe brilliant hattrick only minutes later.

I'd say that's taking a game by the scruff of the neck.
 
They were going out at nou camp, then he stepped up his game withe brilliant hattrick only minutes later.

I'd say that's taking a game by the scruff of the neck.

I watched a different game, Arsenal got a lucky goal and in the end got what they deserved - payback for Highbury too. Nah, taking the game by the scruff for me is when the chips are down, your team is playing poorly and you lead them to glory against the odds. He's not quite got the personality at the moment. But he could grow - perhaps we'll see how much he's improved this WC.
 
I watched a different game, Arsenal got a lucky goal and in the end got what they deserved - payback for Highbury too. Nah, taking the game by the scruff for me is when the chips are down, your team is playing poorly and you lead them to glory against the odds. He's not quite got the personality at the moment. But he could grow - perhaps we'll see how much he's improved this WC.

He came off the bench and did that last season a few times to be fair. Pep would want to rest him but would be left with no choice and he would do his thing.
 
Yeah away to shaktar or something, 1-0 down and he came off the bench bagging two goals and turning the tide.

Or against Madrid, his team were always behind and he lept pulling them back, culminating in a last minute equaliser which was also his hattrick goal.

Also just this season with Xavi injured he was genuinely single handedly pulling results out the bag for his side with his exploits.
 
Messi against France in the friendly was one of his most complete performance for Argentina.He was almost flawless in that match and the link up with his teammates even reached the Barca levels
 
Messi against France in the friendly was one of his most complete performance for Argentina.He was almost flawless in that match and the link up with his teammates even reached the Barca levels

*awaits cue of people ridiculing France*

although in honesty for all Frances talent i just cant take them super seriously under that clown of a manager.
 
I'd agree with Macthefanny that Pele is the man to beat. Messi is starting to score ridiculous amounts of highly accomplished goals, like the great man used to.
 
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