Messi = Greatest of all time is the epitome of knee jerk....Calm down some of you
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He has a unique way of hitting a ball from distance, where there is no spin, that's why keepers usually parry his shots.
He probably will be though, who can blame the caf because the media are wanking over him like hell atm.
Be my guest mate! Where he hits it at the bottom of the ball and it springs up like that!? Nahhhhhhhh
I tried practising that goal, impossible it is, I tell ya!
I'll try to find some but it may take time.I remember Juninho saying that it'd take hundreds of hours in a month to just get the ball regularly on target
That was Ronnie's best FK at United.
I've never been a fan of Juninho's FKs, despite the fact that he scored quite a few of them. If i could choose one player in a clutch situation, it would be Ronaldo.
I've never been a fan of Juninho's FKs, despite the fact that he scored quite a few of them. If i could choose one player in a clutch situation, it would be Ronaldo.
Fair play, if I get Ronaldo on the training ground and ask him to show me that zig zag thing he does with a football, I'm sure he will be able to 9/10.
However, to imitate that Portsmoth goal would be damn near impossible, it's different to every other free kick he has ever scored. If Juhninho has done it, I'm sure it was a one off aswell.
This has to be the second, for me, only because of the fact it moves in the air three times before hitting the net.
Ronaldo's curling free-kick at Sunderland away is another great one.
He should have used this technique more often:
He should have used this technique more often:
Same one here
That makes no sense. The best and (most consistent) FK-taker of the last 15-20 years - at the least.
Ronaldo maybe be a better big-game player, but well, that's like saying you'd rather have Zidane heading corners in a clutch situation than Gus Poyet and then saying, hence, Zidane is better in the air.
FV was telling us that Ronaldo can't place freekicks.
Another thing i never said. Bravo.
My favourite has been Mihailovic.
Do Barcelona forums have a Wayne Rooney thread? Not knocking this thread, just curious if they see him like some on here do Messi, or how highly they rate him.
Juninho had also set up so many goals from free kicks.I'm talking about the ones sort of the wings of the pitch, the ones that are very difficult to score from.
He has had countless assists thanks to his FKs something I have never seen Ronaldo do
No idea but you'll find Messi threads on just about every forum. I think the discussions get so drawn out here due to Ronaldo where as most people don't rate Ronaldo as highly outside of the hardcore United/Ronaldo fans.
Even Marca and Madrid fans are happy to accept that Messi is the best around.
I know I wasn't knocking the idea of having a Messi thread on here.
I think the football forum on redcafe is one of the things that stand it out from other forums.
Didn't he also score direct from a corner once?
To me that was shoddy goalkeeping - when it's struck that softly the keeper has plenty of time to get across, particularly when it's not postage stamp. Still people under-rate his abilities from a dead-ball - he's dangerous from 25 yards or less.
Yeah, pretty much. I do wonder if the same technique would have been as effective with the 'truer' flight of footballs from 15-20 years ago, e.g. Mitre Multiplex / Ultimax, which were less prone to erratic swerving.
How can you not be a fan? He's probably scored more free-kicks than anyone else during the last 20 years (I don't know the figures for Mihajlovic, Rivaldo or Beckham) and demonstrated tremendous range and technical variety in doing so.
Aye. When I first signed up it was one of the few places you could discuss European football without being swamped by retards.
I was watching Revista La Liga last night, and Graham Hunter (I think, the white baldy guy) made a very simple point.
It is impossible to tell who is better between Messi & Maradona, or even C Ronaldo to the ones who rate him that highly. He said you can look at stats all day, and trophies won, but there is alot of variables - ie The quality of Argentina team in different decades.
It is who you prefer.
It is impossible to tell who is better between Messi & Maradona, or even C Ronaldo to the ones who rate him that highly. He said you can look at stats all day, and trophies won, but there is alot of variables - ie The quality of Argentina team in different decades.
It is who you prefer.
I miss Revista (i sacked sky cos they are cnuts), Graham Hunter is a top pundit. One of the few i find myself agreeing with on most points and he really knows his football. Top pundit in my books.
Hell no.
Well, that's probably those goals tend to go "freekick -> header", and because Ronaldo is also one of the best headers of the ball in the World and you want him in the area heading the ball towards goal.
The one used at Euro 2008 seemed the most predictable for some time - we seemed to have gone backwards again this season (though not to 2007/8 PL 99p garage balls).
Looks like
Euro 2008 was the Adidas Europass (best)
PL 2009/10 Nike total90Aerow II ball (getting worse)
PL 2008/9 Nike Total 90 Omni (nearly as good as Europass?)
PL 2007/8 Nike total90Aerow ball (terrible)
Exactly. The comparison is silly in the extreme. Especially at this stage of Messi's career.
Err... predictable flight path = good?
Each to their own I guess...
Well in theory it woudl give players more control over the flight of the ball. Yes you wouldnt see the insane ball movement which happens when you kick the ball a certain way that you see sometimes with the random flight path but you wouldnt very very rarely be in a position to have doubts about players meaning what they do with the ball. I think that makes it more enjoyable, perfect placement is a wonderful thing and seeing great players like Baggio, Zidane, Del Piero etc who at their best could put the ball anywhere was a sight to behold.
I heard that at the world cup they will be using the most spherical ball to date making random movement even more likely. I think people just like seeing keepers made a fool of.
So you dont prefere Ronaldo?
It's all matters of opinion and at this stage in Messis career at the age of 22 you find it very hard to argue that he isnt on a par with any other footballer at a simelar age in the history of the game.
Personally i believe like any sport someone else can be better than the greats of the game and right now i see Messi as the only one with the chance of having such recognition.
Even then i doubt anyone will ever be rated higher than Maradona etc. I wonder if at the time of Maradona people doubted him in the same way they doubt Messi. If there were other players from 20 years ago Pele etc who people said he could never emulate or surpass. Hell the older the person you talk to the more likely they are to say Pele was better. Maybe as football continues to age the older players will lose a bit of their mystic.
Or there legend will grow and grow making it impossible for any modern day player to be comparable. Like mythical figures of history who achieve the impossible or defy the grandest odds.
Anyway i maintain what i've said from the start, Messi can be held amoungest them all. Time will tell, greater who knows, not in the same bracket most likely but the fact that he can is phenominal enough and the fact that people and pundits are talking about this point is incredible enough.
Yeah that's axiomatic, you don't want random wobbles deciding games do you?Err... predictable flight path = good?
Each to their own I guess...
They called Juninho "Mr. 50-50" due to his conversion rate from free-kicks. He really was staggering at them.
The way he can make the ball bend in two different directions with the same set-piece is just nuts.
I don't. I simply judge those two on their overall weaponary. Not on what pleases me most about their different styles.
& Scholesy is referring to the comparison of Maradona and Messi. Which is what I'm saying hell no to.
When it comes to comparing him to Diego, trust me, it' ain't mere opinion. Despite what spastics like Ardiles have said in recent weeks. Messi has some way to go before he gets to Diego's level.
He has a chance. So does Ronaldo. Nothing more. Comparing them to the Diego's will only start being valid when they hit 28
If they have the game, the charisma and the character. They will be.
Fat Ronaldo for example was headed there till injury robbed him of his destiny.
No. Diego was too good to doubt. He made it a weekly occurance to rape the toughest defences ever assembled in Italy. No matter ow foten he was fouled.
Maybe. I personally doubt it very much. For me men like Pele have there fame because of how good they were. I love men like Ronaldo and Messi but they have some way to go beforw they even reach there. Right now they are just reaching men like Best and Eusebio.
Yep
Imagine if Juninho was playing for Stoke.
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