Better trophy return than Zidane ? The man has won every single individual and collective prize for both clubs and country.Messi still lacks the Copa America and Copa del Mundo.Even Ronaldinho won these 2 trophies
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Better trophy return than Zidane ? The man has won every single individual and collective prize for both clubs and country.Messi still lacks the Copa America and Copa del Mundo.Even Ronaldinho won these 2 trophies
take the stage of career Messi is at. 22 years old, the best in the world, won many accolades. Yes he plays for a great team in Barcelona but to take the number 10 shirt from Ronaldinho who was at his peak or just on the decline and being the main man, filling Ronaldinhos boots and then some at his age is phenomenal.
Who knows how his career will pan out but he looks to me like the real deal, the only player around who can feasably go down as a great. Imagine another 10 years of him playing like he has over the last 12/18/24 months and you have something very special let alone the fact he has potential to improve.
Who knows how his career will pan out but he looks to me like the real deal, the only player around who can feasably go down as a great. Imagine another 10 years of him playing like he has over the last 12/18/24 months and you have something very special let alone the fact he has potential to improve.
Sorry not to make myself clear, I meant better trophy return during a span of 18 months. Zidane never won a treble (neither Ronaldinho or Ronaldo) although Dinho did the double, which is almost as impressive particularly considering how vital he was to hsi team during that campaign.
I think we all agree Messi is more than just the best dribbler in the game. Unlike Robben or Ribery, he has got all the end products people could dream of. I mean, as a wing forward, he scored a lot of goals. More so than the best strikers in the game, and many of those are wonder goals too. And he made alot of assists too. Perhaps only Ronaldo can compare with him in terms of end products over the last few season.
And in terms of quality of goals he scored, he is out there on his own.
Again, that depends how you rate "goals", you seem to imply dribbling past a few players and slotting it in makes a "better" goal than shooting from 30-40 yards, or towering headers.
That's fine, you're entitled to that opinion, but Ronaldo scores plenty of goals that no other players can.
Sure Ronaldo scores plenty of those screamer too. But for me, and I think for most people, the kind of best ever goals by Giggs or Maradona, are the kind of wonder goals you don't see every week, except from Messi.
Now you're exaggerating, Messi does not score those kind of goals every week, in fact, I'd say he scores a few a season.
Towering headers and long range shots are scored on a regular basis everywhere in Europe.
Who scores those kind of goals with the regularity of Ronaldo?
Dribbling past a few players and scoring happens regularly in Europe too, just that those players don't do it as consistently as Messi and are rightly not mentioned.
But he's right, long shots and towering heads are scored every weekend in Europe by players at all levels. What goals does Ronaldo score no one else can? Ronaldo is relentlessly efficient in his goalscoring, that's what makes Ronaldo what he is. He doesn't score goals others could never do.
Cal.. give it up 
Is correct. His free-kick technique meant he scored a few unusual goals but Juninho had been using the same technique for years and everyone seems to be doing it nowadays. Drogba's scored a few this season
Like that one, where it springs up into the net, don't think so! They both hit it on the valve, Pirlo too but I haven't seen their freekicks do this. To be fair, this freekick was different from most of Ronnies. I wonder if he knew how it happened.
It is spectacular when it comes off and Ronaldo can pull it off with more regularity than most but i find the more conventional method of free kick to be more pleasing to watch. Greham Dorrans free kick for WBA was sensational at the weekend.
Messis free kick against Almeria early in the season was just as spectacular in my eyes as any taken with the Juninho smash technique. The delicate placement, almost like a chip showed wonderful technique and poise.
Doubtful, that type of free kick is to generate power and to utilize the footballs random movement when struck in this mannor. I don't doubt Ronaldo wanted the ball to fly into the top corner but i imagine players who use it are concentrating on power, technique and hitting the target. Perfect placement is impossible with that technique.
It was Juninho's variation of free-kick that made him as good a free-kick taker as he was.
He scored one like that, Boss, in fact he's scored curlers, smashes, over the wall, around the wall etc.
He had more than just a "smash technique", FV.
Juhninho hasn't scored a freekick where he hit down on the ball and then it leaped into the net lol, I'd eat my words if you show me! I've practised this Portsmoth goal, damn near impossible. Ronaldo has not scored another one like it.
Like others have said, Juninho takes them this way, even Roberto Carlos did I think some times (although it's not high trademark outside of the boot). Even then though, a free kick is a free kick no? It doesn't matter how you score it once you put the ball down?
You're right, Ive just not seen the ball do this before, not that it really matters.
It was Juninho's variation of free-kick that made him as good a free-kick taker as he was.
He scored one like that, Boss, in fact he's scored curlers, smashes, over the wall, around the wall etc.
He had more than just a "smash technique", FV.
Absolutely, i didnt say he only had that tenchnique i was just crediting him as being the first to use it. I've seen him score many with more conventional free kicks. The sort you would see from Mihailovic.
Ah, fair enough.
It irked me when the media went on about Ronaldo's technique as if it was something groundbreakingly new.
They obviously didn't watch football outside of England.
FV again...
You just have to say everything Messi does is better don't you? Even attempting to argue Messi is better at freekick taking than Ronaldo is just an idiotic thing to do.
At least I give Messi credit for things he's better than Ronaldo at, you don't even seem to appreciate that Ronaldo is significantly better than Messi at some things - freekick taking being one of those.
Because it plays off the balls unpredictable movement. Any fraction and the ball will move in a slightly different way.
With a conventional sidefoot/instep style the margin for error is far less. The taker will maybe get a little bit under the ball making it sail over the bar. Or a little over hitting the wall or put too much bend and it will sail wide. For the free kick Ronaldo does you often see the ball sail wildy wide or over or just straight into the wall. The margin for error is so small that any variation results in the ball moving in different way. That's what makes it so effective when he hits the target. The goal keepers have an absolute nightmare. Like his goals against Dynamo i think. Two free kicks hit straight at the keeper yet the way the ball was moving in the air caused the keeper to commit two howlers.
He scored a similar one against Marseille earlier this season I think.
This is a typical Juninho FK.You can clearly that Ronaldo and even Pirlo were by his technique
Football doesnt exist outside of England
FV again...
You just have to say everything Messi does is better don't you? Even attempting to argue Messi is better at freekick taking than Ronaldo is just an idiotic thing to do.
At least I give Messi credit for things he's better than Ronaldo at, you don't even seem to appreciate that Ronaldo is significantly better than Messi at some things - freekick taking being one of those.
I was pointing out which form of technique i find more appealing. RIght now Ronaldo is one of the best in the world at free kicks. Messi is not although he is getting better and has scored 3 or 4 this season.
I didn't think it would take you long to get the Porto goal out. Would that be his greatest ever goal?
I watch hundreds of goals every week and I see plenty of towering headers and long range shots specially in Germany
The stuff Messi comes up, now it's something you don't see very often others do it.
Ronaldo,Pirlo,Drogba and Juninho all use the same technique, what I was saying is that I've not seen it executed like Portsmoth goal, where it seemed to leap into the net as soon as he struck down, it was magical.
Messi's style requires the freekick to be close to the area, you just can't "place it" from 30 yards out. Even when Juninho or Beckham curled it from that far out, it required what "whacking it hard".
It wasn't similar to the Portsmoth goal, that was one of a kind.
The way he hits that ball with such power and yet barely any follow through or movement after the strike is exceptional. You'd think he'd just struck a penalty.
Juninho has scored stuff like against Portsmouth and even more impressive ones in terms of trajectory.I just need to find the bloody videos
Or done consistently for that matter.
Be my guest mate! Where he hits it at the bottom of the ball and it springs up like that!? Nahhhhhhhh
I tried practising that goal, impossible it is, I tell ya!
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