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Lee Mason
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Lee Mason was the ref that match.
Interesting.
I don't think Lehmann would've been sent off even if he'd given the penalty. The ball was going wide and into the path of Clichy had Taylor Fletcher not been there to take advantage.
The first half peno was debatable. The second half peno at 2-1 was stone wall to be fair.
It's not relevant if he denies a certain player a goalscoring opportunity, just the fact that he denies a goalscoring opportunity. Thus, if the goalscoring opportunity still is there, then he hasn't technically denied a goalscoring opportunity, and that means he shouldn't be red carded.
Storey: What do you think of Wilshere's yellow card yesterday? No foul or yellow since the ball was long gone when Wilshere slid in? A late tackle is a late tackle, innit?
I was just giving an example of situations when contact is judged to be accidental/irrelevant after the ball has gone - presumably why Mason didn't give it. We were very lucky to get away with it, nae doot aboot that. I can't remember the Rafael-Blackpool one in detail - I thought it was a pen at the time.
Fairly sure the ball had gone when Eduardo broke his leg. Poor Taylor.
You don't have be a cnut.
I can see why he didn't send Lehman off after playing the advantage, but not to book him was an odd one.
Plus, the second half penalty shout was nailed on really. Arsenal probably would still have won it 2-3 even if it had gone 2-2, but at least it puts to bed any bollocks about Mason favouring United in any way.
Plus, the second half penalty shout was nailed on really. Arsenal probably would still have won it 2-3 even if it had gone 2-2, but at least it puts to bed any bollocks about Mason favouring United in any way.
Whether the ball is gone or not it matters not...
If you smashed the ball 40 yards and got cleaned out late it's a foul. In the box is no different.
He cleaned him out. Pen.
I agree with Gary mind...Arsenal would have still won it. Blackpool don't seem to know what defence is.
If you smashed the ball 40 yards and got cleaned out late it's a foul. In the box is no different.
He cleaned him out. Pen.
I agree with Gary mind...Arsenal would have still won it. Blackpool don't seem to know what defence is.
I can't even begin to imagine the outrage among the media and sites like F365 had we got the decisions Arsenal got yesterday.
Not really, if he wouldnt give him the red why even card him
Wait, so now if a tackle is late it's a foul but if it's really really late it's OK because the ball has gone?
Wow.
Wow.
For somebody who can debate quite coherently in the right circumstances, you don't half post some idiotic wind-ups at times.
Cynical/tactical foul since he failed to prevent the goalscoring opportunity, ie not a red card.
This here is bang on.
http://www.massref.net/ussfpositionpapers/Advantage_OGSO.pdf
To be fair, I know the ones Pete is talking about, and it's a peronal bug-bear of mine. Once a player has take a shot, defenders seem to have carte blanche to go right through them in a way that would probably get them a booking if it were in the middle of the pitch.
But, as he himself then went on to say, it basically only happens if the player in question gets a shot off, which was absolutely not the case in this instance, leaving Pete looking quite silly.
He may as well have said "you see it all the time, there are normally 3 or 4 players form each side in the area by the time a penalty is struck". A valid example of consistently incorrect refereeing, but with absolutely no relevance to the point being talked about.
Yeh maybe not, but just using an extreme to make a point.
Funnily enough, I agree with you that penalties aren't given at times despite getting clattered once they've got their shot off. The thing with your post before was that Taylor-Fletcher wasn't shooting, and was simply nailed after shifting the ball to the side.
Back on the contact-after-shot-but-no-penalty point, it's an odd one. If they were always given you'd see a hell of a lot more penalties each game. Not entirely sure what point I'm trying to make here but there you go.
It's probably to do with the advantage being gone, same as a player pushing the ball ten yards away from the sliding keeper in order to ensure that the keeper doesn't get anything on the ball.
It's funny, because a week or two ago there was lots of questions asked when a team (Blackpool?) were awarded a penalty for a tackle committed after the player had taken the shot.
This.
Could picture him sitting back, arms folded and laughing through every United claim
That's a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Absolute joke.
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