..but Kanye's not a rapper... 
Kanye West is 32
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And what makes your opinion so much more worthwhile than that of people who do like it? It takes a good amount of arrogance to suggest that just because you think something it is fact.
Tbf..he is 'a genius muthafeckin' voice of a generation'
I don't think he can't sing in tune or in time. I can hear that he can't which leads me to know it...
Seriously, it says something about a musician if he can't hear the fact that he can't sing in time or in tune.
Trouble is, standards have dropped so fecking low that nobody really cares anymore.
You have selected one line of all your previous posts to defend there.
Which is so patronisingly cnutish it beggers belief.
He's not very good, full stop. Don't think age comes into it!
Kanye is actually class.
Kanye was good for a short period, but he seems to think he can sing nowadays. Which is odd.
He doesn't. He openly admited he cant sing, and needs the Use of Auto-tune to make his latest music even listenable. As it turned out, he released an unbelievably good album (808's and Heartbreaks) using the Auto-tune.
An album therefore that digitally enhances his voice to make it seem like he is singing well. Not for me. This goes for most pop-stars too. No soul or hardwork in the studio anymore.
Kanye's work is, and has always been more about the lyrics and meaning of the songs. Rather then his voice though.
And if you're honestly saying that Kanye does not work hard in the 'studio' then I'm sorry, but you couldnt be more wrong.
Yeah maybe so, regarding the lyrics when he first began but lately he's just been abit cack and alot of his latest stuff certainly isn't about lyrics and meanings - it's only my opinion though.
I don't mean in a producing sense I mean in the sense that, he sings terribly in the audio-booth, walks round to the studio replays the track, flicks the auto-tune switch and sits back. "Another track done." I'm saying music, not just Kanye, but popular music in general has lost alot of soul and requires virtually no hard-work. Using all these synths to create sounds, why not learn to play the instrument? Tell you why they do, cause they can't play the instruments, can't sing and most of them write pretty shit lyrics.
That's one of my biggest generalisation's but meh.
i'll second that, he puts so much work in its unbelievable
from the man himself
"Y'all don't know my struggle, Y'all can't match my hustle
You can't catch my hustle, You can't fathom my love dude
Lock yourself in a room doin' five beats a day for three summers
That's a whole different world like cree summers, I deserve to do these numbers"
production wise and lyrically the man is a genius, the guy hustled for years to get his name and beats out and deserves every bit of recognition that comes his way, he might not be to everyones tastes but were the beatles? elvis? the eagles? beach boys? poeple have different tastes for a reason, it would be amazingly boring if we all liked the same music
it never ceases to amaze me at the anger and hatred people seem to view rap and hip-hop with just because they dont get it, they seem to dismiss it as some kind of fad that is for kids and one day they will grow out of and it will fade away, yet 30 years after rappers delight its still going strong
the ironic thing is that people (you know who) have the opinion that because some is over 20 or whatever that they should have realised its shit and grown out of it by now, wonder if they would have the same opinion if they were told that anyone who is over 15 years of age and didnt have an acne problem and greasy hair should have grown out of listening to nirvana, would they agree with that? its a bit like having the thoery that only gay men and girls can like girls aloud, both opinions are a load of bollocks
(just for the record i cant stand girls aloud and have been a hip-hop head since '91)
it was the same 30 years ago, your just choosing to ignore all of the shit bands and lyrics that were around then for the sake of your arguement
Sorry, that's supposed to be good? It's fecking shite!
They never had 'auto-tune' or synthesizers 30 years ago, but I was talking about bands who made it, shit in those days were made to look shit by the excellent artists in abundance, nowadays if Kanye West is the benchmark then
. Also, you quoted some of his lyrics from virtually the beginning of his career, locked in a studio doing five beats a day for three summers. Beats = computerised studio loops with a few layers etc? So he's saying in his lyrics he worked hard, automatically makes it fact? Production wise and lyrically the man is a genius - whoa okay. You just seem like a Kanye fanboy somewhat, so it's a no-go debate with you. Then you go onto say people receive rap and hip-hop with hostility? I hope you don't mean me, because you couldn't be more wrong. Infact I just said he was great when he was a rapper, so I'll assume you didn't mean me.
I'm not sure what his age has to do with anything.
They're not subjective opinions - not in the least. It's perfectly obvious that he can't sing in tune, or in time. If even he, according to Sam, agrees with this, surely it's no longer subjective but an accepted fact?
And it's not patronising to say that people who full for this commercial pap are clueless.
Can you imagine if football went this way? It would be like Nike calling Alex Ferguson and saying 'We've got this bloke who is fecking toss at football but he looks great. Can you just play him? Can't hit a ball for shit but stick him on the pitch and none of the mugs supporting will notice - and we'll make a fortune in shirt sales.'
Kanye does not spend a long time in the studio - his sound engineers and producers do. He's just the front man who sells the product.
This thread just shows how shite pop music has become in the last 20 to 30 years - people arguing that a 'musician' who can't sing is class when even his biggest fan here admits that he can't sing and that he has to rely on technology to make up for a lack of talent...
I can hardly breath I'm laughing so much. This one sentence not only discredits everything you have said but also proves that you know feck all about Kanye West or anything that you are talking about you gimp...'Just the frontman' indeed, jesus fecking christ.
You've obviously not heard his latest lyric:
"Swivel-Yo, I sing-tongue-in-cheek:
auto-tune my voice, to 'Little-Bo-Peep'
synthetic-vocals, I can 'Baa-Like-Sheep!'
More Wires on stage, than i had in my teeth"
I can hardly breath I'm laughing so much. This one sentence not only discredits everything you have said but also proves that you know feck all about Kanye West or anything that you are talking about you gimp...'Just the frontman' indeed, jesus fecking christ.
Grow up you twat. I've spent 100s of hours in recording studios and can hear everything they've done to his voice. It's the engineers who've put the hard hours in, not that talentless armpit.
Look, I think there are loads of great bands and musicians today, but the entire industry has been rear-ended by commercially minded record executives. What passes as 'great' to you today is just so painfully piss fecking poor compared to what passed as great just 20 years ago.
It's not my problem though, if you want to spend all your pennies on commercial crap just because some teenie magazine told you to, go ahead.
Can I just ask what you (and RedFlags et al.) consider to be good, lyrically proficient, mature music? If you're going to slam other people's musical preferences I'd be interested to know what really is "good"...
They never had 'auto-tune' or synthesizers 30 years ago, but I was talking about bands who made it, shit in those days were made to look shit by the excellent artists in abundance, nowadays if Kanye West is the benchmark then
Production wise and lyrically the man is a genius - whoa okay. You just seem like a Kanye fanboy somewhat, so it's a no-go debate with you. Then you go onto say people receive rap and hip-hop with hostility? I hope you don't mean me, because you couldn't be more wrong. Infact I just said he was great when he was a rapper, so I'll assume you didn't mean me.
I'm not sure what his age has to do with anything.
the quote wasnt to prove how lyrical he was, it was to highlight how much work he puts in and directed to whoever it was that said he doesnt work hard in the studio
at no point did i say that there were autotune and synths 30 years ago, i was pointing out that there were shit bands around then and were shit songs with bad lyrics, and surely artists using autotune now is no different to bands using talkboxes or vocoders and even wahwah pedals in the 70's, it creates a sound other than the one they naturaly made whether its from a vocal range or a guitar, its still used to create an unnatural sound
the hostility comment wasnt directed towards you, plus im far from a kanye fanboy, as an all round artist with his flow and delivery on the mic, throw in his personality and on stage presence hes just about above average, i just commented that he writes great rhymes and makes amazing beats (90% of the time)
you could say the same about pete docherty though couldnt you ?
When it comes to producing (what he made his name doing) he was special, producing all different kinds of beat and especially proficient with the speed up sample style.His rapping whilst refreshing when he began has become stale but College Drop out was a top album
Couldn't agree more, if anything College Dropout was too good, he was never going to surpass that album. He might prove me wrong yet though.
Why are we arguing over something which is clearly an opinion?
I could and I in fact do...
I think I just worked out where you got that quote from. It's from none other than the 'genius' himself:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27704066
Jesus, if our generation has only those two dicknuts to choose from to be our 'voice' we're buggered...
And I might add, it's beyond me how West thinks he has a right to be anybody's voice when he hasn't actually got a voice.
Kanye is just the man who sells the product? You do realize he is one of the best producers around, infact it was his talents for making beats that got him recognized and allowed him to make beats for Jay-z which in turn got him to show his vocal skills as well which lead him to being the Superstar he is today.
How many rappers do you know who produce their own albums? He worked hard for everything he has today and you have to give him credit for that and he does put some heart into alot of his songs. He's probably in the studio 24/7 trying to make great music.He didn't just wake up one day and somebody chose him to 'sell a product.' He had to put in alot of hard work to get where he's at and it is a genuine success story. I think he's pretty talented, he's been mastering the craft of beat making since he was a teenager. Here is a cool video of him making a beat. Never mind the dancing
I don't like his latest album much and I wish he would go back to rapping because I think he's good at it. I really don't think he can sing, he even says he can't himself
. I like the track 'Amazing' off his latest Album thoughThat's actually very true. You take Pearl Jam for example. They were in their mid to late 20s when they hit off on the big stage with the release of Ten. Eddie Vedder was almost 28, Jeff Ament was 28, Stone Gossard and Mike McCready were the youngest, both 25
'Making a beat'. Care to explain what you mean by that?
I managed to watch 4 mins of that cack - he appears to have worked out how to play tracks at double speed and is shown doing that in the clip to a song featuring other artists than himself.
I'm at a complete loss as to what 'talent' he's showing in that video.
You know there was actually an unreleased video made for that song Spaceship? Was released over the web not too long ago : http://hypebeast.com/2009/06/kanye-west-feat-glc-consequence-spaceship-video/
You do know the sample sounds nothing like what he came out with? He just didn't 'speed the track up'. Anyway it's just a cool example of him putting a beat together in my opinion of course. Anyway there is better examples out there, he puts 200% into what he does. He takes pride in his music.
I'll just leave this here:
beat making is an art and a a skill because before you hear the lyrics the beat/ melody or whatever you want to call it has to attract you. Kanye has the ability to constantly attract
beat making is an art and a a skill because before you hear the lyrics the beat/ melody or whatever you want to call it has to attract you. Kanye has the ability to constantly attract
Kanye in the studio , earlier days
Surely soon he'll grow out of this rap music thing? I mean most people grew out of it by the time they turned 20 after realising that their choice in music was actually pretty irritable shit
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Cheers.
What the feck does that mean?
I think that video argues my point more succinctly than I ever could. What a load of old cobblers.
G'night.
Wow. What an inspiring insight into the genius at work.
Ok, check this song out, you don't like this one? Some quality prduction and lyrics from his best album to date