YIp. It's amazing how with the form of some of our players we'v still managed to have players that barely play. Game after game of people underperforming and yet players who we'e seen play at a really high level can't get a kick out. It's farcical.unpopular opinion but the club did him wrong imo. just as they're doing VDB wrong.
not how this club is runCan someone explain to me why we’re holding out for a loan fee for Lingard who’s available on a free in a few months but didn’t bother with loan fees for martial or probably donny? Seems a bit weird to me. But maybe there a logic.
Can someone explain to me why we’re holding out for a better loan fee for Lingard who’s available on a free in a few months but didn’t bother with loan fees for martial or probably donny? Seems a bit weird to me. But maybe there a logic. I assume we’re just playing a game with Newcastle cause we know they have the money and figure they’ll cave.
That is exactly what I meant. I'm guessing that's why the player doesn't want a loan move because its too big a gamble.
Can someone explain to me why we’re holding out for a better loan fee for Lingard who’s available on a free in a few months but didn’t bother with loan fees for martial or probably donny? Seems a bit weird to me. But maybe there a logic. I assume we’re just playing a game with Newcastle cause we know they have the money and figure they’ll cave.
Not aware that we received a single firm offer.
How so? He played under LVG, Jose, and Ole. His form dropped off massively and then Bruno came in. No idea whether there was/is an offer to extend his contract and he felt it wasn't good enough or he just wants to play.unpopular opinion but the club did him wrong imo. just as they're doing VDB wrong.
How so? He played under LVG, Jose, and Ole. His form dropped off massively and then Bruno came in. No idea whether there was/is an offer to extend his contract and he felt it wasn't good enough or he just wants to play.
Yup we’re run by absolute clowns. And now we’re quibbling over a couple million when we ourselves shit ourselves in the foot by not getting a transfer for him when we had the chance. If he stays he costs us more money while sitting on the bench. Rather he went and cleared the decks for a new mid or at worst one of our youth prospects who will show more fight and is more likely to listen to Rangnick.Lingard, Pogba, Shaw, Matic, Martial , Jones, Mata should all have been sold 3 yrs ago and the funds re-invested in promising younger players...now we'll lose 4-5 of them for nothing...financial and sporting wise as well.
Not aware that we received a single firm offer.
This forum is overflowing with spiteful bellends... It seems...
Agreed. Bizarre that people expect players to act against their own interests.
Agreed. Bizarre that people expect players to act against their own interests.
It's not just that, but it's so disproportionate as well. People show no respect or loyalty to the players, it's the club over everything. And of course when the club shows no loyalty to players that's fine as well. They then expect sacrificial loyalty from players in return, it's insanity.
yet we expect the club to act against its own interests in terms of injured players (ex Jones), players who are finished (ex Mata) and players who constantly do not deliver. Its also time we put this United DNA myth to bed as well. Loyalty and professionalism has nothing to do with nationality or location.
The story I heard in the summer was Moyes spoke directly to Ole to ask for Jesse but Ole made it clear Jesse was part of his plans and not for sale. On the back of this and reassurances from Ole of playing time Jesse then decided to stay, which is understandable as he is Utd through and through.Didn't we accept an offer in the summer and he refused to go or something? Maybe i'm not remembering it correctly. If we couldn't sell him when his stock was higher than it had ever been we are never going to.
They have legal contracts so not sure how Unitedxis acting against their own interests. If they renewed these contacts or extended them it wasn't to be nice even if you (or whoever) now thinks it was a mistake.
Actually United's problem is the polar opposite to that. For years we have let sentimentalism take over our better judgement by keeping players past their best, by keeping injury prone players, by promoted ex players in high positions despite having zero experience in the job and by giving second, third and fourth chances to players who simply can't perform on a consistent basis. Lingard himself benefited from that. He should have been shown the door the moment he started humping pillows and putting his brand ahead of anything. We bought into his sob story and we sent him on loan instead. Now we're reaping the benefits for that.
United should expect a certain standard across the board. Anyone going lower to that standard should be kicked out. This is a top club with a great history and a huge legacy. We're neither a school for third rated players/coaches/managers nor a hospital.
The story I heard in the summer was Moyes spoke directly to Ole to ask for Jesse but Ole made it clear Jesse was part of his plans and not for sale. On the back of this and reassurances from Ole of playing time Jesse then decided to stay, which is understandable as he is Utd through and through.
I’m not so keen personally to apportion blame, but I think anybody would struggle to point at Lingard in this scenario.
Absolutely this.
I can understand why some players are quite angry they aren’t being played. Utd have just extended them to keep them as assets to sell or show value on our books. Even though the players have no right to be here, they are human and can see why they would be disappointed.
Lingard I think is a bit different though, he had so many opportunities and didn’t take them. He should know it hasn’t worked out here and just leave. I feel as though he wants to take advantage of that sentiment and poor decisions you mentioned. I reckon he would love to get an extension here even if he doesn’t ever get to play. Strikes me as someone happy with the easy life and money, especially since he hired Raiola.
That's normal tactics if you are trying to sell the player at a decent price. You are never going to say, ''yeah, Jesse isn't part of our plans and we really want to sell him.''
Look at the big picture and not just some throwaway line.
Can someone explain to me why we’re holding out for a better loan fee for Lingard who’s available on a free in a few months but didn’t bother with loan fees for martial or probably donny? Seems a bit weird to me. But maybe there a logic. I assume we’re just playing a game with Newcastle cause we know they have the money and figure they’ll cave.
People are getting tired of the leaks and certain players doing everything within their power to make everything about them when United are trying to win games and turn things around.I don't see what hes done wrong. Should have just sold him last summer if we didnt want to use him.
You say unpopular, 99% of the rest of us just say plain wrongunpopular opinion but the club did him wrong imo. just as they're doing VDB wrong.
What a waste. Should have sold him off the back of the west ham season and got a decent 20mil or more. Another case of keeping a player too long
Agreed, Posters on here keep telling me we are building a structure, putting good people in place etc. But we still see utterly inept in foootball decisions, Allowing Lingard to run out his contract is pathetic. It also sends a message to the divided and toxic dressing room that its fine to take their grossly inflated salaries, dick about on social media, rarely kick a ball and its all fine. Still a joke of a club.This
Keeping them too long without using them till their value is zero or you have to pay to get rid of them
Typical United
We’ll do exactly the same with MartialThis
Keeping them too long without using them till their value is zero or you have to pay to get rid of them
Typical United
Moyes said it himself.Never bought the "he stayed because he was promised games" nonsense. Reckon that was PR guff planted with journalists by Lingards people.
Jesse will have known full well he wasn't getting many games going into this season. Even now under a new manager and not getting many minutes he still doesn't seem too keen to leave.
