Invest in a midfielder now and possibly get 4th and CL

I completely forgot it was the transfer window. I genuinely haven’t thought about it for a couple of weeks.

Has anyone even done anything? Apart from Barcelona signing Torres?
 
No. That is a worry I agree but I still think with a midfielder, we can push for top 4. If the Midfield is holding its own, we can pass the ball and protect the back 4, we will be better.

Look at Chelsea with / Without Kante
Liverpool with / Without Fabinho.

Even though our team is not that standard, I think a midfielder can propel us to top 4.
The problem with them comparisons is that even without them two players unavailable they still have other good/world class players to pick up the slack. We lose are inform player (De gea) we've got Heaton because are back up wants out too :lol: Pool lose Fabinho they have Salah, Mane, Trent, Jota same with Chelsea they lose Kante they have Jorginho, Reece James, Silva, Rudiger etc. Also they have a good coach and a world class one, while are manager seems to be struggling so far, regardless of who he is and what he's done.

We wouldn't look weaker i'll agree there but still think top 4 with the way we're playing and with how out of form are players still doesn't get us top 4.
 
The problem with them comparisons is that even without them two players unavailable they still have other good/world class players to pick up the slack. We lose are inform player (De gea) we've got Heaton because are back up wants out too :lol: Pool lose Fabinho they have Salah, Mane, Trent, Jota same with Chelsea they lose Kante they have Jorginho, Reece James, Silva, Rudiger etc. Also they have a good coach and a world class one, while are manager seems to be struggling so far, regardless of who he is and what he's done.

We wouldn't look weaker i'll agree there but still think top 4 with the way we're playing and with how out of form are players still doesn't get us top 4.

No, I get what you are trying to say, maybe I am a bit hopeful.

If 2 of our forwards hit a purple patch, thats all it takes for us to win games, say Sancho, Greenwood start banging goals in. That is the difference we have to other teams, we have potential match winners.
 
I don't think any specific signing can save the current malaise we are in, the core is rotten. On top of that the only remotely plausible option is Zakaria and it's highly questionable if he's good enough.
 
No, I get what you are trying to say, maybe I am a bit hopeful.

If 2 of our forwards hit a purple patch, thats all it takes for us to win games, say Sancho, Greenwood start banging goals in. That is the difference we have to other teams, we have potential match winners.
Maybe. It's a big if though and both are on a baron run atm we're 20 games deep and in the prem they have a combine goal scored of 5! Hopefully both pick up form like they did last year but can't see it in Sancho anyway, Mason does look lively at least.
 
Maybe. It's a big if though and both are on a baron run atm we're 20 games deep and in the prem they have a combine goal scored of 5! Hopefully both pick up form like they did last year but can't see it in Sancho anyway, Mason does look lively at least.

Lets put it this way, if I had to put money on us getting top 4, I probably wouldn't.

Being a Manutd fan, I have certain bias that we can conjure up a 6/7 game winning run that could help us. I remember 2 years ago when we were 10 points behind and managed to catch 3rd. Bruno signing was the clutch moment.
 
Lets put it this way, if I had to put money on us getting top 4, I probably wouldn't.

Being a Manutd fan, I have certain bias that we can conjure up a 6/7 game winning run that could help us. I remember 2 years ago when we were 10 points behind and managed to catch 3rd. Bruno signing was the clutch moment.
Well here's to that, hopefully tonight is the catalyst.
 
Maybe. It's a big if though and both are on a baron run atm we're 20 games deep and in the prem they have a combine goal scored of 5! Hopefully both pick up form like they did last year but can't see it in Sancho anyway, Mason does look lively at least.
I think it's a no-brainer but our club has never looked at it that way, they're always obsessed with the short term. Getting in a decent midfielder — of which there are many right now for super to cheap to cheap, relatively speaking, makes perfect sense. Getting top 4 isn't just about the money, it's about the players and coaches that we can attract to come and play for us when we're not at the Champions table. Sure, some might come, but only if we pay them more. And that's been our whole problem. A decent midfielder won't just give a platform to play, it will enable us to rest more of our squad in a season wrecked by Covid. It will improve morale by probably enabling our forwards and creative players to start firing and our defence to stop conceding. It will enable us to function better as a team overall and help us process and perfect Ralf's tactics faster. And that will all help the new manager next season. It's a win, win, win, win. But we will probably lose because our board doesn't look at it like that. And yes, I appreciate this isn't some magic bullet. Ideally, we need much better players than what we could get now. But you can't tell me, a decent midfielder wouldn't improve things a lot. And wouldn't be too expensive. We need to grasp the chance now.
 
Top 4 is still very realistic. We've got Pogba coming back and if we play 433, he's in his best position, feeding Ronaldo. If we can get a good CDM in, we can make a really good push for it.

I also think at some point Rashford and Sancho have got to snap out of their bad form. 433 will help with that too.
 
We need a midfielder even if we don’t get top 4 so it’s a no brainier, any owners who cared about success would invest everything they could to help the cause. Glazernomics though ensure dividend and debt payments come first.
 
Plenty of good, press resistant midfielders could be bought. Problem is, either our scouts are really crap, or we as a club don't value that type of player.
I find the new hype around the phrase "press resistant" players a bit cringe. It basically means players who are good on the ball and don't give it away cheaply. Basically not McFred.
 
Lets put it this way, if I had to put money on us getting top 4, I probably wouldn't.

Being a Manutd fan, I have certain bias that we can conjure up a 6/7 game winning run that could help us. I remember 2 years ago when we were 10 points behind and managed to catch 3rd. Bruno signing was the clutch moment.
We were meant to have about 12 games in a row that we were meant to win or were "winnable". It's already gone to shit. Newcastle, Wolves and Villa all cocked up. Struggled over the line against Norwich and Burnley. There literally is no game that is winnable for us anymore. We are shit. Shut the club down.
 
You know the content is going to be crap when someone starts by saying they’re an investor, like that matters in any way. You could be 12 years old and realize we need a few players. Oh and you’re buying this chap for 20 mill USD I see, that bags you a Championship-player these days. McTominay would most likely go for 30M in this market, we got Fred for 50M. What do I know though, not being an investor and all.
 
No successful investor "invests" like that. Absolutely no guarantees that new midfielder will settle quickly and give us any boost (Sancho?). It will very likely end up to be yet another mediocre signing and knowing that Rangnick is interim manager it's very likely that whoever comes after him maybe wants different type of midfielder... Risky investment.

The idea is to get a pretty good midfielder now. Like many here, I think a good tidy midfielder would make our team about twice as good as it is right now.

You know the content is going to be crap when someone starts by saying they’re an investor, like that matters in any way. You could be 12 years old and realize we need a few players. Oh and you’re buying this chap for 20 mill USD I see, that bags you a Championship-player these days. McTominay would most likely go for 30M in this market, we got Fred for 50M. What do I know though, not being an investor and all.

Change my dollars to pounds and it still makes sense. Investing is about a getting a good return with some risk, sort of the same thing with buying players. Sorry you don't know how to make money with money.
 
As a fellow investor, I'm curious to see the precise mathematics underlying your calculation that a $20m midfielder would propel United into the champions league spots with 50% certainty. Just what we investors are like! I'm sure you understand, as a fellow investor.
 
I find the new hype around the phrase "press resistant" players a bit cringe. It basically means players who are good on the ball and don't give it away cheaply. Basically not McFred.
How is it "new hype"? It's been around for over a decade.
 
The idea is to get a pretty good midfielder now. Like many here, I think a good tidy midfielder would make our team about twice as good as it is right now.



Change my dollars to pounds and it still makes sense. Investing is about a getting a good return with some risk, sort of the same thing with buying players. Sorry you don't know how to make money with money.
We got plenty of those during the last decade. We don't need pretty good anymore, we need really good and I am not sure any of those are available in January. I am all for buying players and we desperately need a few midfielders but I am not sure signing one knowing that the manager will be gone in 5 months is a very smart idea.
 
Some people think we are 15 points of 4th or something?

Yep. There's the negative way of looking at it, or the positive way, which is we're 12 points off 3rd, with 3 games in hand.
 
I'm an investor and this seems like an easy decision. We are 5 points off 4th with 2 matches in hand and a decent run could see us finishing 4th and get a CL spot. A CL spot can be worth $100 mil (kind of guessing here but think I'm close) or more next season. If we invest in a good tidy midfielder in January for say $20m and pay him $10m, I calculate our chances of finishing 4th goes up to 50% or more. In other words, our expected return would be about $20m ($100m x 0.5 - 20m - 10m). Invest 30m and get 20m in profit is an obvious choice. With no extra midfielder our chances of 4th are probably 10 to 20%.

We don't need a great midfielder, just someone tidy, mobile and young enough to get serious minutes. I don't know of names off the top of my head but I'm sure there a good possibilities.

Come on Rangnick and board, be smart, invest a little, get a good return, and give us some hope.

I'm going to take a huge gamble and say that you're not a financial investor
 
We got plenty of those during the last decade. We don't need pretty good anymore, we need really good and I am not sure any of those are available in January. I am all for buying players and we desperately need a few midfielders but I am not sure signing one knowing that the manager will be gone in 5 months is a very smart idea.

A CM/holding midfielder is a must in any system. No matter who comes in you will need one with the same profile. Can defend, pass and build attacks from the back. So not going to get one is lazy and idiotic in my books when you have tens of millions of dollars in stake.
Missing CL carries huge financial implications that is going to make it harder to rebuild the squad. So the board can't give up on the season when there's a decent chance to get into top 4. And I'm sure the same players they are looking right now for CM will be the same ones in the summer.
 
Changing manager would have a bigger impact

Unless of course we're talking a top class midfielder (I assume we're not given the January market)
 
Surely most of you realize that for almost every match there is a better midfielder for our opponents than both Fred and McT. Just watch today. I don't even know their midfielde6sr but I'll bet almost anything they have one better with the ball than we do.
 
It's negligent not to buy a midfielder in January. This season is salvageable
 
If McTominay is out for a while. I just don't see how you don't buy one
 
I'm an investor and this seems like an easy decision. We are 5 points off 4th with 2 matches in hand and a decent run could see us finishing 4th and get a CL spot. A CL spot can be worth $100 mil (kind of guessing here but think I'm close) or more next season. If we invest in a good tidy midfielder in January for say $20m and pay him $10m, I calculate our chances of finishing 4th goes up to 50% or more. In other words, our expected return would be about $20m ($100m x 0.5 - 20m - 10m). Invest 30m and get 20m in profit is an obvious choice. With no extra midfielder our chances of 4th are probably 10 to 20%.

We don't need a great midfielder, just someone tidy, mobile and young enough to get serious minutes. I don't know of names off the top of my head but I'm sure there a good possibilities.

Come on Rangnick and board, be smart, invest a little, get a good return, and give us some hope.

Anyone emotionally invested in Man United cannot be trusted!
 
It's about time we got a proper DMF that just sits and screens and is mobile enough to plug gaps and make tackles to stop our defence and DDG being assaulted with the ball every five seconds.

I don't know if that's Bissouma but he seems like the type.
 
Anyone emotionally invested in Man United cannot be trusted!

I invest in stocks, mutual funds and options. I do not own any shares of Manchester United and I'm glad I don't because it hasn't preformed well since going public.