A better manager will get more out of Ole's signings than he has, that's quite basic logic and obvious to me personally.
How long until Ole's signings also join the deadwood list?
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An actual coach of proven quality would bring more out of our players
I think we need to play a back 3 more against the lower teams and put AWB in the back 3. He’s shocking going forward
So Young and Shaw as wingbacks? Not really ideal either.
Shaw needs to up his fitness levels and is a young man I can see no reason why he can’t, Williams has the engine for it, James has the engine for it on the right. When playing the lower sides we should have majority of the ball any way so don’t see why shaw and James couldn’t play as wing backs
A better coach will get more out of this team. Before the season started everyone highlighted Chelsea as having considerable weaknesses in key positions, destined to finish 6th, no established striker etc yet given how the season has turned out and Lampard's coaching the perception has changed.
I've heard the opinions of a few fans attending games and when assessing our teams movement off the ball we are supposedly playing freestyle football something you cannot always assess watching via broadcast. Solskjaer doesn't offer this team anything outside of a counter attacking system and pragmatism in possession.
What I can't get my head around is Mourinho got slaughtered for being more useful with less possession, yet after a year of football we are still more useful with less possession of the ball as opposed to with it. So why are people bending over backwards for Solskjaer in this regard. Hypocrites the lot of them.
I've heard the opinions of a few fans attending games and when assessing our teams movement off the ball we are supposedly playing freestyle football something you cannot always assess watching via broadcast. Solskjaer doesn't offer this team anything outside of a counter attacking system and pragmatism in possession.
What I can't get my head around is Mourinho got slaughtered for being more useful with less possession, yet after a year of football we are still more useful with less possession of the ball as opposed to with it. So why are people bending over backwards for Solskjaer in this regard. Hypocrites the lot of them.
Looking at this forum - maguire and james are slowly getting there. I suspect it wont be long before awb also joins them.
Maguire turned out to be a terrible signing and an absolute waste of money. Any upcoming offensive manage who wants to play with a high line will bench him after few games. We will also struggle to get rid of him or get half of what we paid for unfortunately.
James is a good squad option but no way in hell he will be anywhere close to the starting lineup in the future.
At the moment AWB looks like to be the only who might be a main lineup in the future and even he has several question marks on his offensive abilities.
Honestly a pretty poor window. Ole has bought poorly as much as our previous 3 managers. Time for this "we signed good players - signing players are Ole's best trait - we improved defensively" to stop because that's not what's happening in reality.
Maguire singing alone proves nothing has changed. Loads of money spent and are underwhelmed by the outcome again.
James is a good squad option but no way in hell he will be anywhere close to the starting lineup in the future.
At the moment AWB looks like to be the only who might be a main lineup in the future and even he has several question marks on his offensive abilities.
Honestly a pretty poor window. Ole has bought poorly as much as our previous 3 managers. Time for this "we signed good players - signing players are Ole's best trait - we improved defensively" to stop because that's not what's happening in reality.
Maguire singing alone proves nothing has changed. Loads of money spent and are underwhelmed by the outcome again.
Yup. While his signings are lauded though by the 'in brigade', they haven't really been anything exceptional. I have never rated Maguire and I still don't, James has been good at times but should never in a million years be a starter and AWB is solid but needs to work on his play going forward. However, I'm pretty confident that all - like most of our team - would look better players with a better manager and coaching setup.
'James will be starting for a long time. Not expecting us to spend big.
James is good. 3 goals and 6 assists in half a season is good.
Ole actually bought 3 main players that maybe other top team won't get (at their price)
A CD who is lacking of dribble, pace and passing skill.
A RB who is lacking of dribble, passing and attacking ability
A RW who is lacking of strength
Because most of the top team playing pressing and passing game, those attributes are crucial for those tactics.
But Ole get players who suit to his tactics, fast counter attack football, so can understand why he doesn't require those attribute from his players.
Besides, he let go some deadwood who cost a lot of wages, it is understandable and he did it very well too. But the main problem is he didn't replace it well, For example, Lukaku and Sanchez are the great weapon for counter attack football, with their dribble, pace, passing, strength and attacking skill, especially Lukaku, he is a giant in the front.
A CD who is lacking of dribble, pace and passing skill.
A RB who is lacking of dribble, passing and attacking ability
A RW who is lacking of strength
Because most of the top team playing pressing and passing game, those attributes are crucial for those tactics.
But Ole get players who suit to his tactics, fast counter attack football, so can understand why he doesn't require those attribute from his players.
Besides, he let go some deadwood who cost a lot of wages, it is understandable and he did it very well too. But the main problem is he didn't replace it well, For example, Lukaku and Sanchez are the great weapon for counter attack football, with their dribble, pace, passing, strength and attacking skill, especially Lukaku, he is a giant in the front.
AWB will be a success.
James will be a decent squad player who fans sigh at when he starts.
Maguire will be a banter player who opposition fans use to mock us.
James will be a decent squad player who fans sigh at when he starts.
Maguire will be a banter player who opposition fans use to mock us.
I see a lot have already decided.
Which is probably a bit early isn't it?
Which is probably a bit early isn't it?
Histrionics abound I'm afraid.
Well... I would be on that side of things. But it's an interesting question. I never had much faith in Fellaini from a very early stage, for example.
Seems very harsh on James and AWB though. I have reservations about Maguire but it's still early there too, really.
Oh dear, the excessive use of early there, might not end well for me.
It's too early.
Give the players 1 season to prove themselves.
One could argue that the coaching/tactics are bad, but I feel a good player will show his skills, even if the tactics are not ideally suited to him.
I don't think any of Solskjaer's signings are terrible or anything, but they're still problematic and despite what people used to claim, are not certain to serve us well going forward with other managers.
OK, James has done well and at 11m it won't matter either way. But the cost of Wan Bissaka and Maguire is an issue as we're not about to spend another 50m on a right back or 80m on a centerhalf, so future managers are bound to use them even if they do not completely suit their needs. And a slow centerhalf/right back with little attacking ability will be a hindrance for other managers who would want different things from their defenders.
If you're going to sign a centerhalf for 80m, it should be for a complete one, a real cornerstone, not one you have to adapt your team to. If you're going to sign a young right back for 50m, it should be someone who at least has the potential to be a complete one. Right now it looks like we got two players who made us better, but have also created a ceiling because of the things they lack.
OK, James has done well and at 11m it won't matter either way. But the cost of Wan Bissaka and Maguire is an issue as we're not about to spend another 50m on a right back or 80m on a centerhalf, so future managers are bound to use them even if they do not completely suit their needs. And a slow centerhalf/right back with little attacking ability will be a hindrance for other managers who would want different things from their defenders.
If you're going to sign a centerhalf for 80m, it should be for a complete one, a real cornerstone, not one you have to adapt your team to. If you're going to sign a young right back for 50m, it should be someone who at least has the potential to be a complete one. Right now it looks like we got two players who made us better, but have also created a ceiling because of the things they lack.
It amazes me how much deadwood we have supposedly had at the club post fergie because a lot of fans have had blind faith in poor to average managers post fergie, is it not obvious now with Mourinho struggling at spurs that the problem has been more to do with the quality of managers we have brought in?
Moyes - since leaving United managed real sociedad where he dragged them right down the table and then has had to settle for making sure west stay up in two spells at club.
Van Gaal - after United had no good clubs after him and retired.
Mourinho - after United couldn't get a big job and settled for a spurs team in mid-table and has nothing with team since taking over where had a few wins at first from the usual new manager bounce.
If Solskjear gets sacked what's the best he can hope for, I dont see ambitious clubs like inter, Dortmund or Atletico come.calling for him.
Moyes - since leaving United managed real sociedad where he dragged them right down the table and then has had to settle for making sure west stay up in two spells at club.
Van Gaal - after United had no good clubs after him and retired.
Mourinho - after United couldn't get a big job and settled for a spurs team in mid-table and has nothing with team since taking over where had a few wins at first from the usual new manager bounce.
If Solskjear gets sacked what's the best he can hope for, I dont see ambitious clubs like inter, Dortmund or Atletico come.calling for him.
I think any new manager would use Maguire and James as you say cost nothing.
AWB though, there's a hell of a lot of manager's out there that simply would never play with this kind of full back. I like him personally, but Klopp or Pep for example... he'd be first out of the door.
We getting closer day by day.
Maguire and James are deadwood. There is hope for AWB
Captain Maguire is on that list already.
Maguire is a complete waste of money. Pity that our manager couldn't look beyond britain for a cheaper and better option.
£150m down the drain
James maybe - no way maguire and AWB are they just need to managed better. Previous clubs prove that.
Full speed ahead to the deadwood bin!
AWB is not a FB for a top 6 team. Modern full backs have the opposite problem of AWB.
Maguire needs to be managed better.
James is a punt. Can always be a decent squad option.
Maguire is terrible! I don’t see any leadership, he’s half hearted with challenges and when he flicks his hair I want to smash my TV screen... he looks like a fecking troll so don’t know why he’s even bothering
I like what I saw today.
You play a winger who gives him space to attack & he attacks.
You play James & he can't which is what we saw most of the season.
150m spent was seen as a fantastic piece of business not so long ago by some.
It was such a master stroke that would propel Ole to the DoF job.
It was such a master stroke that would propel Ole to the DoF job.
150m spent was seen as a fantastic piece of business not so long ago by some.
It was such a master stroke that would propel Ole to the DoF job.
Our fanbase just have this weird cult-like relationship with whoever sits in the managers seat. Some call it support - but that that 'support' doesn't seem to stop them shitting on the 19 odd players that were at the club, prior to whoever the current manager is.
You are joking, right? AWB is probably, Rashford aside, our best player.
Spot on. As soon as Solskjaer is gone, the same people will come out with the pitchforks demanding those three to be removed as soon as possible.
This thread has always been spot on and it's clear, to anyone who remembers the last 5 or 6 years. Players come and initially look good and slowly deteriorate and become deadwood. Go back and look at the Rojo, Darmian, Di Maria threads from when they first came. They all looked class and actually way better than this years signings at first. Well, we know what happened from there. This years transfer dealings look absolute shite to me considering the money spent. I'm far from convinced any have a future as a first team starter in a proper strong side. Wan Bissaka has the best chance, but even he has to show a lot of improvement on the ball and going forward.
I agree with you - I just don't see any leadership qualities in Maguire at all. He doesn't seem to command the back 4, cajole the midfield or encourage any of the team. You barely see any communication between him and De Gea apart from when we concede another soft goal at which point they will share a few words and then go about their business....quietly.
Any good attacking manager would bin awb first and foremost, maguire is too undependable, james is championship pace merchant who's not been found out.
Brilliang signings
Brilliang signings
He's been here 5 years. I think if he can and wanted to he would have done that.
It's fitness, not adding 5cm to your crown jewel. Anyone with a bit of desire can get fitter
Wan Bisaka is one I worry might over-grow us if we stagnate as a club. Pogba already thinks he is better than us and he's a lazy fu*k.
Maguire looked a lot better at Leicester, if he was there he'd be playing and he wouldn't be hurting them. It's clear our problems are deeper than him so lets not put the blame of mess accumulated over time on newcomers, not now. It's clear where all these years of wandering have left us as a club.