How big a priority has rebuilding our attack become?

Why do people think Ronaldo won't be here next season even if we don't make cl? He simply has nowhere else to go.
Right on, his reputation has taken a huge hit and no one in a respectable league will take a chance on him. His last big contract, he won't walk away from £20m or so. We are stuck with him
See him heading off to retire in the MLS
His pride won't allow that, think he will stay.
The issue around our attack has really crept up on us and looks like it’s going to hit us hard in the summer. Greenwood gone, Cavani and Ronaldo will both go, potentially Martial, no one knows whether Rashford can regain his form from 2019. Our options are looking scarce and it’s going to take a pretty large transfer war chest to bring in the right players. We are going to need a RW who can play regularly as well as a proper number 9 who can play regularly if needed but might be required to rotate with other forwards. That’s going to take upwards of £100m already depending on who we go for, that’s forgetting that we will want to spend a large sum on a midfield player too. Someone like McNeil might get drafted in, and I’m sure Garner will get games too but it’s not nearly enough. I have been on record saying if we buy a DM we should try Garner for the CM role, he has the skill set for such a role even if he might be a couple of seasons away.
I don't see Ronaldo going anywhere, he won't get a similar contract anywhere else and next season is his last season. I think whoever comes in will have talks with Ronaldo and agree to use him sparingly, maybe avoid the Europa altogether, which will allow us to bed in a new forward or youth player. Depending on readiness McNiel could be lucky.
Probably but the selling process would drag out all summer before we'd even start trying to replace him.
We should insert a Dortmundsque deadline, get a club that wants you by 15 June or report for training on 1 July. No time for sentimentality anymore.
 
Other than signing 1 proper striker to replace Cavani and compete with Ronaldo it shouldnt be.

Rashford on the left/Elanga and Sancho on the right with Bruno in the middle should be good enough

At the beginning of the season and last season we were playing Dan James... Elanga in the team or Rashford on the left arent worse than that
 
I’ve been saying it for ages but as much as it pains me we should look at the Liverpool model & build from the front.

Firminho > Mane > Salah > VvD

Whilst I understand how good a player Rice is, spending £100mil on a CDM is the height of stupidity as he won’t provide £100mil worth in this current team; he’ll be better than Maguire but it’s a similar profile signing in that it addresses a need without the surrounding issues being covered. Liverpool cobbled together a workable midfield, we definitely need a CDM but not at that price imo.

We should start with putting together a consistent attack, we don’t score enough to win consistently. Sancho is a keeper but we need 2 around him, I’d for for a CB even atm & buy 2 more top class attackers this summer with Kamara. I even believe the fullback positions to be as important currently.
 
One of the many things that looks worse and worse with hindsight about Ole’s time in charge is that Elanga and he who shall not be named are the only two academy products to break through and get any kind of meaningful minutes over the last two or three years. So we have no idea if any of these gaps in our squad can be filled from within.

Compare and contrast with what’s been going on at Liverpool (or even a sugar daddy club like Chelsea) and it’s so fecking depressing.
Not to mention the likes of Amad and Pellistri, who weren’t exactly cheap, and who both remain an absolute mystery in terms of their ability.

Part of me thinks that the next manager will need to take a leap of faith with the likes of Garner, Mejbri, Williams, and Amad, as we simply won’t have the budget to fill all these needs on the market. And we’ll probably need to give Donny and maybe even Martial another shot.

It’s not inconceivable that we finish outside the Europa league spots over the next few seasons if we don’t get a lot of things right, and what from our recent history would give you any confidence in the team hierarchy doing that?
 
I personally feel attacking wise we are stacked already, the problem is we have so many out of form and poor players.

Ronaldo scored from more difficult angles last year but this year he’s missing sitters same with bruno. Rashford I don’t have any hope he needed to be replaced surely with Amad or a promising academy player.

If Ronaldo gets his form back, we will sign only 1 CF for cavani replacement and recall Martial(based on loan performance) and loan out rashford.

The squad size looks neat and simple now, so we should continue with current replacments and not again bloat this squad.
sorry but nothing in your post is reassuring in the slightest.
 
I think Ronaldo is done at this level. He should leave. He isn’t getting younger, and there is very good possibility he’ll get worse next season. Rashford has subpar for almost two whole seasons now. He also seems to have lost his hunger, looking at the way he plays games recently.

We absolutely need a striker going into next season. Arguably a winger as well who can compete with Sancho, Elanga, Rashford and Amad.
Even then, we won’t have any backup striker if Martial leaves.

Regarding Ronaldo, he’s got something to give.. but to get the best out of him you can’t play him 90 minutes, game after game, the issue we have is who do we use instead? Cavani is on holiday all the time, Greenwood gone... we don’t actually have anyone else. He looks spent, knackered. We should be keeping him fresh for champions league and the important parts of the league, in the same way zidane did at real.

we shouldn’t be relying on him as much as we are, he should be used intelligently.
 
It's huge, as we have a lot of spaces to fill.

Cavani, Ronaldo, Lingard and likely Mata, all leaving this summer.

That doesn't even account for Greenwood, likely never playing for us again.

The summer window is our most important transfer window, in a very long time.
 
Regarding Ronaldo, he’s got something to give.. but to get the best out of him you can’t play him 90 minutes, game after game, the issue we have is who do we use instead? Cavani is on holiday all the time, Greenwood gone... we don’t actually have anyone else. He looks spent, knackered. We should be keeping him fresh for champions league and the important parts of the league, in the same way zidane did at real.

we shouldn’t be relying on him as much as we are, he should be used intelligently.
I hope this season doesn't have a knock-on effect on Ronaldo. If he had 2 games a week at Madrid Zidane would play him for 1 game & maybe 60 minutes in the other & he'd get the best out of him. Juve also rotated him & got plenty of goals out of him. Right now we're playing him 90 minutes 3 times a week because as you say, we have no choice. If we run him into the ground then there may no longer be anything to get out of him next season. We're in an awful position of, mostly, our own making with reliance on Cavani & the naivety to send out Martial. Sure, the Greenwood situation isn't our fault but we should have cancelled the Martial deal as soon as the news broke.
 
Regarding Ronaldo, he’s got something to give.. but to get the best out of him you can’t play him 90 minutes, game after game, the issue we have is who do we use instead? Cavani is on holiday all the time, Greenwood gone... we don’t actually have anyone else. He looks spent, knackered. We should be keeping him fresh for champions league and the important parts of the league, in the same way zidane did at real.

we shouldn’t be relying on him as much as we are, he should be used intelligently.
I agree that he’s being played more than he should be playing. But he never seems happy to be subbed off, so I’m wondering how he’d react to being an impact sub in games. Zidane is Zidane. I doubt he’d be happy to be played in that role here under a less renowned manager.

The Greenwood thing has really fecked our rotation ability. At this point, it might be worth fielding a youth player or altering formation to rest Ronaldo.
 
In the space of half a season it’s become the most important part of the pitch to improve. Quite remarkable really. We need two top class young goal scoring forwards in the summer.
 
Got to get the attack right as the priority as if you can score you always have a chance.

And if we could score more the rest of the team is under less pressure.

This or play Leeds every week.
 
Fergie always said build a team from the back and I think a tear-down is required from back to front.

I hope the next manager can get it right, and get the money and time to get it right.

This is gonna be long-term I fear.
 
People still haven't learnt yet. We have had decent looking attacks on paper, but if they don't get the ball in favourable positions, it's useless. It's better to miss a lot of chances than to have to fight a midfield battle with every team you play.

Yesterday, more than anything, prioritized how important signing midfielders that have good positioning and anticipation off the ball and are able to recieve the ball on the turn. We don't have a single midfielder outside of Matic that can do those basic midfield things. It's why we are where we are. Earlier in the season, we had Greenwood, Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Fernandes, Martial and Cavani. We still ended up out of the title race.

Every few years, we come and focus on other positions when the core problem has always been our lack of quality in the middle.
 
At the start of the season we had Rashford and Martial on the left. Ronaldo and Cavani as number 9s. Sancho and Lingard/Elanga/Mata on the right. We looked a top heavy side.

Next season we'll have Sancho on the left. Elanga on the right. Nobody up front. And only Rashford as a back up (and a terrible one at that). Amazing how fast things can change.

Martial is only on loan and might be back, Greenwood's situation may clarify till next season and Ronaldo may end up staying another year, although I would prefer a new striker.
At the start of the season we looked solid in defense and attack and aimed for a title challenge, now we would be lucky to scrape 4th.
 
No one could foresee that the prick from Bradford would be in the position that he is now. Elanga eases some of the concern but we may need 2 attackers this summer along with 2 midfielders that were desperately needed already. We are fecked for the foreseeable future. Whoever takes over has another rebuilding job on their hands. So much for the cultural reboot/rebuild under Ole.
 
I would take Neto who could easily be as good as jota and Jimenez on the cheap, he is not prolific but he contributes towards so much towards the build up play, he is better than firmino in my opinion and I believe if Jimenez was in a more creative side he would thrive goal scoring wise
 
One of the many things that looks worse and worse with hindsight about Ole’s time in charge is that Elanga and he who shall not be named are the only two academy products to break through and get any kind of meaningful minutes over the last two or three years. So we have no idea if any of these gaps in our squad can be filled from within.
This./

So many questions hang over this squad.
 
We will need another attacker, but make no mistake, its not priority. We will not buy two attackers this summer, plus attack is the one area of the pitch where we actually should try to integrate our young players. Sancho, Rashford, Elanga, Amad/Pellestri. Who knows, potentially adding Hannibal too. We will need another attacker, but I'm not sure we should spend tons of money on that position. In attack, we may need to have a bit of patience and purchase over time if needed.

However, we can't take that risk in midfield. We don't just need a DM, I feel we need 2 midfielders. Neither Fred or Mctominay are good starting midfielders. They can play with a good one, but if an injury were to occur , we'd be right where we started. We need midfielders that can support attacks in terms of positioning and anticipation, but that can also recieve passes. That's the basic skillset any United midfielder should have and only old slow Matic has it. City have Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan who can do this, supported by full backs in Walker and Cancelo/Zinchenko that are pretty central. Liverpool have Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago who can do this. Chelsea have Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic. Arsenal have Thomas Partey.

In Europe, Madrid have the trio of Modric, Kroos and Casemiro. PSG have Verratti and Paredes. Bayern have Kimmich, Goretzka and Tolisso. The list goes on. We play unpredictably game to game because our midfielders don't consistently give our attackers the support to truly express themselves or our defenders a chance to stay higher up the pitch and squeeze the space. We can fix the attack with assessments on our youngsters next season or in January. Fernandes and Sancho can carry our attack ( plus hopefully Rashford in a new role or with a new season gets back on form).
 
I think the priority should be to identify the way we want to attack e.g. via wingplay, false 9, target man, 2 up top, inverted wide forwards. Then see if we have the players in house to play that style, if not then bring in the players that would fit the system. Too many times we've seemed to just buy attackers and then stick them in the team with no real thought of how they fit in.

We are a big club so we dont have to change our style to make do with the players we have e.g. stick with a ronaldo type and swing balls into him. We can afford to bring in attackers with good recruitment that compliment our style. As much as I hate to say it city and pool understand the profile of player that suits them and bring them in. Whether they perform is another question but they know how to identify players that compliment their tactics.
 
It's a massive issue, it's crept up on us and rammed a fist elbow deep up our bunghole. Ronaldo is past it and Rashford has been so bad for so long that he can't be relied on, that leaves us with Sancho and Elanga, we need 6 players for the front 3 options and that's including the 2 R's who aren't much use. So in the summer we are going to need a Striker and a wide player, preferably for the RW to compete with Elanga as Sancho has been comfortably better at LW where Rashford can be his back-up.
 
Rebuilding up top rebuilding a midfield / LW , Rebuilding a RB /CB .....
 
We must prioritise signing a striker and a defensive midfielder.

Ideally we should sign another midfielder and a winger. Otherwise we will need to promote some combination of Hannibal, Garner, Diallo, Chong or Pellistri, regardless of whether they are ready or good enough.

It will be another difficult season next year.
 
At the end of last season we knew a long term number 9 was needed, that was before Ronaldo came in so nothings changed there

The Greenwood situation changes things though as you hoped your 'support' attackers to the main number 9 would be Rashford/Sancho/Greenwood and then someone like Martial as a distant 4th choice. I still believe in Rashford, Sancho is only going to get better but it's slim options

So yeah ideally in the summer a long term number 9 and another wide attacker
 
If we can shift Ronnie we have to. He's not going to get any better, only worse. Plus it's a world cup year, so he's definitely going to be 'saving' himself for that in the winter. Cavani's leaving.

Why do people keep saying Cavanis leaving? He might sign another 2 years - he is afterall 2 years younger than Ronaldo is he not?

He just needs to sort out his fitness. Didn't I hear that he did ballet or yoga or something to stay fit in the lockdown? Maybe he needs to go back to that.
 
I agree that he’s being played more than he should be playing. But he never seems happy to be subbed off, so I’m wondering how he’d react to being an impact sub in games. Zidane is Zidane. I doubt he’d be happy to be played in that role here under a less renowned manager.

The Greenwood thing has really fecked our rotation ability. At this point, it might be worth fielding a youth player or altering formation to rest Ronaldo.

If ralf isn’t subbing him because he’s scared of ronnies wrath then he should step down as manager immediately because he isn’t putting the team first.

And if Ronaldo doesn’t like it he can leave.

Manchester United > any individual player, manager, coach... anything. Be a team player, play your part, be ready, get paid your millions and shut up, or feck of. This shirt is a honour.

And thats how it needs to be.
 
Why do people keep saying Cavanis leaving? He might sign another 2 years - he is afterall 2 years younger than Ronaldo is he not?

He just needs to sort out his fitness. Didn't I hear that he did ballet or yoga or something to stay fit in the lockdown? Maybe he needs to go back to that.

Hopefully this is a joke. :nervous:
 
The ironic thing is that I can't remember we ever creating so many chances in consecutive games as we have lately - we just dont score. So let's not make this worse than it is - I would be more worried if we didn't create any chances and won 1-0 due to some freak goal.
 
I understand acknowledging the difficulties of shifting Ronaldo but people wanting for him to stay need to be cautioned. Having him a year older from how he looks today is as good as cursing the club. The worst part is his standing in the team. Do you not see how Ralf can't sub him off? He also kills the bench because no half decent striking option wants to stay behind the lack of meritocracy Ronaldo creates. He has to play and finish every game no matter the flow of the game or his performance.

So we end up with this three pronged nonsense where our performances are prisoner to his form, our tactics are prisoner to accommodating his style and the prospect of the entire position are prisoner to his stay at the club. Hell to the no. Sign me off. Where's the petition?
 
We have needed a #6 for two years now. I stand by that this is our biggest need, but I'm certain the club will chase a #9 first. The club has always cared about forwards before the midfield. Even when Sir Alex was here, we did that. We need a better functioning midfield to allow the team as a whole to perform. We do need both, though. Ronaldo staying doesn't matter. We need a new #9. His current level is nowhere near the standard required. Expecting him to somehow improve at his age is pure delusion.

We also still need a right winger. Sancho is now our left winger. I don't have faith in Rashford any more, and I'm unsure about Elanga.
 
Greenwood really fecked us and is a massive loss. For right now, not just in the future. I have little doubt we’d be comfortably higher up the table if we’d had him this last month.
 
I understand acknowledging the difficulties of shifting Ronaldo but people wanting for him to stay need to be cautioned. Having him a year older from how he looks today is as good as cursing the club. The worst part is his standing in the team. Do you not see how Ralf can't sub him off? He also kills the bench because no half decent striking option wants to stay behind the lack of meritocracy Ronaldo creates. He has to play and finish every game no matter the flow of the game or his performance.

So we end up with this three pronged nonsense where our performances are prisoner to his form, our tactics are prisoner to accommodating his style and the prospect of the entire position are prisoner to his stay at the club. Hell to the no. Sign me off. Where's the petition?

Yet again a person posts something correct without stating the obvious: why is he undroppable, because Sir Alex made him so and also brought him back to the club when there was a chance City might get him - they dodged a bullet there! Remember the comments made after the Everton game, they fecked it up for Ole and they are fecking it up for Ralf, now.

Oh but lets all forget about that and remember the 'good old days'....

But if someone builds an empire & then destroys it, why do people still remember only the good old days?
 
Yet again a person posts something correct without stating the obvious: why is he undroppable, because Sir Alex made him so (and also brought him back to the club). Remember the comments made after the Everton game, they fecked it up for Ole and they are fecking it up for Ralf, now.

Oh but lets all forget about that and remember the 'good old days'....

But if someone builds an empire & then destroys it, why do people still remember only the good old days?
Thank you but Ole wasn't held in some basement while the Ronaldo deal was being completed. Don't make him some victim. Reports actually claim he was behind it so I don't know what part of this post is stating the obvious. Tired of these Ole sob stories. Fact of the matter is he was backed and ended up backing himself into a corner and straight off a cliff chasing galacticos. Even his signing of the summer Sancho couldn't make his 11 because he had no clue how to use him. No one blaming that one on SAF.

Ole's disjointed attack also wasn't good enough. It's not like under RR where we're creating these beautiful chances and it's clear who is letting us down. The guesswork element has been taken out of the equation because we actually have a style of play now. It's that same guesswork that allowed him to sanction the signing of a poor fitting striker. He didn't even know how he wanted to set up.
 
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If we are not scoring goals the attack is a big concern
If we are conceding goals our defence is a concern and if we cannot control a game our midfield is a concern
Pretty fecking obvious I would think
 
At the start of the season it didn't seem like this would be an immediate priority but looking at the current situation, a lot has changed.

We know Cavani will be gone in the summer. Ronaldo has at best an extremely short shelf-life too, isn't offering anywhere near enough and could easily be gone in the summer. Lingard will be gone. Martial is halfway out the door already. Greenwood won't be coming back. Even Juan Mata who barely plays will be going.

That only really leaves us with Sancho, Elanga and Rashford as attackers. And the latter's performances have been such that there's already a thread asking if he should be sold as well. Of the three Sancho is arguably the only one you would think should be in a first choice attack for us.

Rangnick has already said it's obvious that we need a CF in the summer, so we can assume that will be a priority. But how much of a rebuild is needed in attack beyond that? And how much of a priority does strengthening beyond that one CF signing this summer become? Should we be bringing in multiple attackers this summer even at the cost of strengthening elsewhere?
the loss of greenwood and the collapse of rashford's form has caused it.
 
The current Youth Cup team seems to be doing ok, Elanga coming through are good signs. Then again we supposedly revamped our scouting system but still decided Ronaldo and Cavani were good ideas.
Of course they were good ideas. We expected Rashford, Martial and most especially Greenwood to learn from them.
 
Wouldn’t surprise me if we are in for Dembele this summer.