I haven’t watched De Gea enough to compare directly but Henderson needs work on set pieces mainly, that’s the only area of concern I would have. I’ve seen him get stick for his distribution but he’s comfortable enough on the ball, not elite of course but good enough. Henderson is a fantastic shot stopper, has made some incredible saves for us - late on away at Norwich and also a triple save at home to Norwich being my favourites.
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I’m sorry was Henderson’s contract due to expire? Nobody is paying DDG’s wages stop being silly
This are just a continuation of dumb decisions which was probably made on your analogy.
God I hope we do the next Amazon Prime documentary. It would be epic.
It was in 2022, and after having an extremely good season he was suddenly sought after by several top clubs. It only makes sense that we offer him a similar salary of what others would pay him, so he wouldn't push for a move away.
Or we'd risk infuriating him and holding out for walking on a free in 2 years.
A lot of the time I feel like we could just close the thread after @Tom Cato makes a post like this.
Fair enough but you decide what you want to do with him first. So if for instance we decide to sell him we physically can’t on those wages and it would have made more financial sense to let his contract run down.
He's not on a 120k base fee. It includes all possible bonuses like clean sheet, which would mean he has to play to get a chance for that.
Like someone else pointed out above, it's constantly claimed that liverpool players are on much lower salaries than ours, but when you look at the end of year results they pay almost the same amount total in salaries. It's just the media reports mention their base salary and not the total bonus possibility. Maybe we have to report it differently because we're a publicly traded company.
And we don't want to sell Henderson at the moment. He might be our future. But even if we want to sell him later, if no new contract we couldn't command much of a fee next year with only one year left. Players salary also somewhat dictates what another club shod pay for them. As in how much their current club values them.
The problem is that no United-connected journalist has reported the latest salary. Laurie Whitwell only reported his salary before he got a new contract with us. Jim White has no connections with United that I know of, and everyone's basing the salary on his Tweet.
It's an unusual situation with our keepers at the moment, and keeping all of them happy was going to be a challenge. From what we're seeing you would expect Henderson to play some EPL games and provide DDG with some competition, similar to the way he had to compete with Lindegaard when he came to Utd.
Logically, you would then expect them to share the ECL and Cup games, which means Romero goes.
At the moment, Romero only plays in Cup matches plus Europa League, so would he be happy going forward just to play Cup matches, and would that be viable? The talk since we signed him is that he can't play week in and week out, so maybe he goes to another club as a backup keeper.
A shame, as he's rarely put a foot wrong, but wouldn't be the first time a decent player has been squeezed out through no fault of his own.
Logically, you would then expect them to share the ECL and Cup games, which means Romero goes.
At the moment, Romero only plays in Cup matches plus Europa League, so would he be happy going forward just to play Cup matches, and would that be viable? The talk since we signed him is that he can't play week in and week out, so maybe he goes to another club as a backup keeper.
A shame, as he's rarely put a foot wrong, but wouldn't be the first time a decent player has been squeezed out through no fault of his own.
We are in a very strange situation with all our keepers arguably being in the top 10 of premiership keepers.
A good headache to have.
Delighted Henderson signed that contract, a boost for the club.
A good headache to have.
Delighted Henderson signed that contract, a boost for the club.
Best PR?
Worst PR i'd say
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...pool-owners-FSG-Boston-Red-Sox-no-better.html
It’s the perfect scenario really.Dont have to chose between 2 great goalkeepers....Let them compete for the number 1 spot and may the best man win!!
We've backed ourselves into a corner here, two uncertain keepers on wages no other team can pay, I've never heard of any team carrying two keepers on mega wages because it's not a position teams rotate, that's why there's always a definitive #1 and #2, this would be like Fergie like putting Ben Foster on a mega deal, real cart before the horse stuff.
Most of our contract is based on bonuses these days but they get reported as standard because 120k with bonus will not get the same attention.
definitely and as a good of a season as Henderson has had I’m not even sure he’s good enough long term to be our number 1. How do we even get a fee for him now if it doesn’t work out?
This is like a new signing for the club.
That's the spirit.
that caught me by surprise.Isnt he in the UK next week for international duty? Chances of getting a deal done while he is here would be great then get going with the squad for pre season.
Lets take a look at this "mega wage".
£120k amounts to roughly £6.24m per season. I would hardly call that "mega wages" but more asset insurance. Henderson is a valuable, sell-able asset. If it doesn't go well for him here, we could sell him to another PL club for a significant amount of money. It's incredibly low risk. We would have paid £6m in wages, and sell him for considerably more than that. How is that a risk? It's a smart piece of business.
Possible outcomes:
1. Henderson earns the number 1 spot and plays for United for the next 5-10 year, we flog DDG for as little as £17m to break even on what we paid for him some 10 years ago
2. Henderson fails, we flog him for £30m+
3. Henderson pushes DDG on in training like never before, helps DDG find his world class form
I don't really see the issue.
You don't think we'll get a fee for a 23 year old English international goalkeeper? If he fails at United, he doesn't just retire from professional football, you know? He will have clubs like Everton, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Sheff United, etc etc etc that would pay stacks of money for a good top level goalkeeper.
I find it baffling that signing up one of the best young keepers for 6 years can be seen as a bad thing by some United fans.
If he doesn’t get past DDG he won’t be the England goalkeeper. That’s a fairly big if.
very few of those teams listed above are ever going to pay more than 120k a week to henderson unless he kills it here but actually wants to leave. If we want him to leave it’ll be the same old story. He’s obviously a bit more than just potential at this stage I get that but there’s a very decent chance he might not be good enough to be our keeper long term. What if he goes back out on loan after a season of just playing the cups or he has peaked. Is that going to be money well spent? he’s going to be on the books for another 5 years now anyway either way. Best of luck to him and fair play to his agent. I feel like we probably could struck a much better deal.
I don't think we will be able to get much for him if he flops as nobody as we'd have to subsidise his wages as part of any sale.
It's mega wages for a keeper that hasn't proven anything and if he fails no team is paying £30M when they'll also require us to help offset his wages as part of a sale, I mean this is a much bigger deal than Mason is on and he's actually proven himself in a United shirt.
If Romero stays, will Lee Grant go or would he settle for the role of 4th keeper ? Always good to have options because you never know when injuries or suspensions can happen.
When was the last time our 4th keeper had to play out of necessity? Cant really recall that happening for any club.
Didn't Oshea played as the keeper once ?
Well yes, but only because we couldn't sub another goalie. A 4th keeper wouldn't prevent that, unless you stack the bench with three reserve keepers.
So, would you rather have Romero or Grant leaving ?
In a sporting sense, it doesnt really matter, I think. Our third keeper played very few minutes last season, so his impact is minimal.
All things considered, I would rather let Romero leave. He'd catch a fee, free up more wages, deserves a chance as no 1 somewhere else and would probably not be content with not even playing the cup games anymore, while Grant doesnt seem to have an issue with that role.
Romero. We can get a good fee from him, and he deserves to be #1 elsewhere. Grant knows his role (3rd choice) and won't ask for higher wages, or kick up a fuss.
No 2 if Henderson fails who is going to pay 30 mill to take him?
I think there is more to Henderson just signing a contract when he would have had the option to move to a big club. There must be a guarantee that maybe this season coming he gets all the cup games and maybe a few premier games and next season becomes No 1, or something similar. Otherwise why sign to sit on the bench at his age, when he could potentially win trophies at another big club?
I don't think he will be our number 1 keeper. We should trade him in for as much as we can get. Matej Kovar is a much better prospect, commands his area better and good with his feet. He will be our next number 1
I gather this is not suitable content for his performance thread. With Dave Saves back now, and Henderson's much reported confident ambitions, is it time to loan him in January and - unless he has a stellar half season - sell him in the summer?
Surely he's wasting valuable development time as it is.
Surely he's wasting valuable development time as it is.
No loans. Think it give out a wrong impression. Give out vibes that you want to keep him to him, his agent and perspective buyers but hope for a fantastic offer. Use Ramsdale fee as negotiable.
We’d need him if DeGea got injured I wouldn’t be in a hurry to loan him out.
Hopefully goes on loan in Jan
Think it's tricky getting fair value in January and we should stick with Dave throughout, settled backline and keeper. And Henderson can't really afford to waste a whole season not playing.
I know it's great to have him as backup, but do you think he'll be OK with a season of being backup? His value will also decrease (which is a slightly lesser concern).
just sell him. you are crying for funds for a cdm, but you keep hoarding players to sit on the bench.
I think he’d be okay with it if we went on a winning streak or were competing for something he’d want to be part of that.
I still think its possible a new manager would favour him over De Gea. The latter, while being back to his shot stopping best this season is still the weaker keeper when it comes to sweeping and distribution IMO. If our new manager (who could arrive sooner than we'd expect tbh) prefers a more defined system where we play it off the back, he might opt for Henderson instead.
Big if that.
I've been pleasantly surprised by how improved Dave has been this season in some aspects. Has had a couple of Ederson-type passes where he's alert and technically capable to ping a precise through ball, and he's also been more confident in playing out from the back (I'm sure Varane has had a huge impact on his newfound confidence).
In the hypothetical scenario that a new manager comes in midseason, I doubt they'd want to bench our top performer.