Happy No more Woodie day!

We need this great news. Even then, he still manages to ruin this season transfer.
 
I'd rather we give the new manager a chance to talk to Ralf, the backroom staff, and the players to assess the situation as opposed to making a desperate January signing from abroad, for a player who in all likelihood will need a couple of months to adjust anyway. It seemed like the best we could have gotten was either Kamara or Haidara. Will they also be our first choices in the summer? Because the last thing we need is to add more potential deadwood to our already huge pile.

ON TOPIC: Good riddance to bad Wood. He brought plywood when we needed oak.

My point is, if we have a Football Director why do we need to do this? The Football Director is the one who will pick the coach, they should know what kind of coach they are after and what kind of players will suit that coach.

All I see is a continuation of the last nine years: Lurching from one extreme to the other with no plan. If our Sporting Director picked Rangnick, as was briefed, based on his ideas of football. I would suppose, or you would think, that they would pick players that would equally suit Rangnick or his successor.

When Ajax goes through a change of coach you don't see the whole thing shut down like a robot without a brain. Ajax know what formation they will play, Ajax knows what style of football it will play and whoever the coach is Ajax continues to be Ajax. Its the same at Bayern Munich and a lot of the big clubs. And its not left down to the coach to decide all of that.

If our Football Director is anything more than a glorfied mascot he should've been able to identify players now to suit his long term vision for the first team. If he can't do that what's the point in him being there? He's just a bag carrier for the Board.
 
I was looking for that positivity thread amidst the doom and gloom on caf. But this thread will also do
Yeah not really gone the ‘light- hearted bit of silliness amongst the constant miserable drama’ way I intended. Seems everybody is manic depressive on here. Cool.

Main thing is we are truly rid of our ‘deadwood’ today.
 
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Woodward has been our #1, #2 and #3 biggest problems since 2014

His levels of incompetence and arrogance were staggering at times
Spot on.
I laughed when I heard he had decided to remain in place for several months in case his immediate departure might cause instability.
Such a shame and so selfless since all the top clubs in the world were lining up to recruit him.
Incompetence and arrogance is just the perfect description.
 
My point is, if we have a Football Director why do we need to do this? The Football Director is the one who will pick the coach, they should know what kind of coach they are after and what kind of players will suit that coach.

All I see is a continuation of the last nine years: Lurching from one extreme to the other with no plan. If our Sporting Director picked Rangnick, as was briefed, based on his ideas of football. I would suppose, or you would think, that they would pick players that would equally suit Rangnick or his successor.

When Ajax goes through a change of coach you don't see the whole thing shut down like a robot without a brain. Ajax know what formation they will play, Ajax knows what style of football it will play and whoever the coach is Ajax continues to be Ajax. Its the same at Bayern Munich and a lot of the big clubs. And its not left down to the coach to decide all of that.

If our Football Director is anything more than a glorfied mascot he should've been able to identify players now to suit his long term vision for the first team. If he can't do that what's the point in him being there? He's just a bag carrier for the Board.
Ralf isn't going to be the football director, though. He's going into a 2 year consultancy role to advise the club on footballing matters. He'll undoubtedly be a very important voice, but he isn't going to be our version of Damien Comolli and unilterally calling all the shots.

Also, it's January. It's an infamously difficult time to do business. Maybe the management team decided Kamara and Haidara weren't viable long-term solutions? Our recent midfield options have been Fred, DvB, Matic, and McTominay. We need real, genuine quality in there, not some stopgap that'll be another potential headache 6 months down the road.
 
Hard to celebrate with Woody Jr. taking over. But at least there's hope something will change.
 
Ralf isn't going to be the football director, though. He's going into a 2 year consultancy role to advise the club on footballing matters. He'll undoubtedly be a very important voice, but he isn't going to be our version of Damien Comolli and unilterally calling all the shots.

Also, it's January. It's an infamously difficult time to do business. Maybe the management team decided Kamara and Haidara weren't viable long-term solutions? Our recent midfield options have been Fred, DvB, Matic, and McTominay. We need real, genuine quality in there, not some stopgap that'll be another potential headache 6 months down the road.

Nothing to do with Rangnick. John Murtough is the Football Director.
 
Nothing to do with Rangnick. John Murtough is the Football Director.
So you want Murtough making all transfer decisions, regardless of Rangnick or whoever the manager is? No ta.
 
So you want Murtough making all transfer decisions, regardless of Rangnick or whoever the manager is? No ta.

Do you think it matters to Ajax whether Ten Hag leaves in the summer? Do you think Marc Overmars will just sit in his office waiting for the next coach to start to begin signing players?

Because he's a proper Football Director, Overmars will know that if Ten Hag goes he needs a coach well suited to the Ajax style of possession football to succeed him. Therefore he will just buy players that suit that style, even before he finds the right guy to come in and coach it.

What was the point of creating this new structure that the club trumpeted out to all sundry if the Football Director has no power? If the Football Director isn't the one deciding on the club's style, deciding on a coach and players to suit that, then what's the point of him? Getting a Football Director was meant to help guarantee continuity. It was meant to make sure that we didn't just sign players to suit a coach, with the result that when that coach left and a new guy came in we had to bin off all the last guy's signings. If our Football Director cannot or will not do that he's useless.

PS) No I didn't want Murtough to have the job. He's never been a Football Director before. I wanted an experienced world class Football Director. But we don't have that. So we should at least show the job is a real job. That way if we need to replace him we can actually attract a world class Football Director who wants to be more than a Glazer mascot.
 
"We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of!"
Cheers Ed...
 
I don’t have much hope - they seem cut from the same cloth. Same university and same accounting firm as Woody was at.
 
I don't think anything will change. I think its pretty evident by now that final decisions will be made by the board. I never had the impression any of the managers (after fergie, and even he knew when to keep quite and back the bosses) were in full charge. Even Ed, as a CEO, couldn't just do what he wanted. It's a multi milllion if not billion company and you can't have a single guy ruin it in some sort of dictatorship. Did he do a good job? Maybe. Was it just down to the brand of ManUnited and any of us could have done a similar job? Maybe. Is Woodward a smart guy who knows his job? I think definitely. At the end decisions are made by multiple people. It would also explain why there is no cohensive structure in strategy going forward.
 
I don't think anything will change. I think its pretty evident by now that final decisions will be made by the board. I never had the impression any of the managers (after fergie, and even he knew when to keep quite and back the bosses) were in full charge. Even Ed, as a CEO, couldn't just do what he wanted. It's a multi milllion if not billion company and you can't have a single guy ruin it in some sort of dictatorship. Did he do a good job? Maybe. Was it just down to the brand of ManUnited and any of us could have done a similar job? Maybe. Is Woodward a smart guy who knows his job? I think definitely. At the end decisions are made by multiple people. It would also explain why there is no cohensive structure in strategy going forward.
Joel Glazer says hi.
 
Joel Glazer says hi.
That is what i was on about its the owners that have the say... ceos , managers are only puppets at the end of the payday
It's just a math equation really... for example, this january the decision makers said themselves its not worth to go for a dm (or any player) ecause we are supposed to get 4th with the current squad so not worth the investment. I highly doubt this was a manager decision. They go for probability but in sport, unlike math, you never really know and everything can happen. I don't envy being in the position to make those kind of high pressure decisions except for the money. It's no coincidence we don't really ever hear about them..
 
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