I'm think I shall have that, yes.
Gaming Gran Turismo 5
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
Well by the time I pick up a new hard drive and collectors edition its nearly a 3rd of the bundle so I might go for it aswell.
Tell me about it. I only have something like a 20gb ps3. Only need one game. Ive only ever played prologue and some football game. Soon as the full gran turismo is here, thats it. My ps3 is complete. I must say i have got my money's worth for prologue. Im a master of it.
Take your tunnel vision bullshit and shove it up your arse Grid and NFS.
Fantastic sense of speed from the cockpit view.
Fantastic sense of speed from the cockpit view.
Wow, this is a steal.
Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 Slim Console Bundle with 320GB HDD + Gran Turismo 5: Collectors Edition PlayStation3 Game - Play.com (UK) - Free Delivery
285 quid.
The CE is 60 quid on its own.
I saw that yesterday. Can't even get a Slim 250GB version alone for that price here. feck!
First chink in the armour, Ted.
News: GT5's car damage screens disappoint - ComputerAndVideoGames.com
News: GT5's car damage screens disappoint - ComputerAndVideoGames.com
CGV 
Did you watch the video?
Yes, and?
And you don't think the crash damage looks like shit?
Not really a chink in the armor. Polyphony should have actually released this in a press release.
Manufacturers like Ferrari, lambo and basically all exotic car builders generally want theirs cars to be represented to the upmost detail. What they don't like is their cars being able to be banged up, especially in simulator type games. If you look at many games that have Ferrari present in them like Forza for example, you'd know that there is very little superficial damage because the manufacturers don't want their cars being torn to pieces. Racing cars on the other hand are completely different. They are after all subject to bashing and crashing every other weekend so full blown damage doesn't really matter.
For the uneducated this is nothing new and most people won't care in the end. The idiot journalist needs to realize that games like Burnout are not subject to licensing agreements given that all of the cars are fictional.
I'm surprised they've been allowed that much damage to be completely honest.
A. He doesn't have a clue how old that build is. The fact that they are even trying dynamic geometry deformation, that might never actually make it into the final build, is something interesting.
B. We've seen GT5 builds with simple damage such as just the bonnet flying up and doors opening.
C. We've seen GT5 builds where the damage is only paint scratches.
D. It could be a bug.
E. Conjectural bollocks not worth bothering with, why don't you wait until the gold release?
Burnout damage is also pre-baked for the most part, it's not dynamic at all, it's like comparing a water melon to a prune. CGV even nicked that YouTube video from GTPlanet and didn't even credit it. Gaming since 1981? Yes, was once a reasonable magazine, yet all it does now is scour the net for crap to get hits on its website.
Paintwork scratches:
Old buggy build:
Bits flying off/opening:
If they cannot get it right, it will not be in, yet nobody has seen a build with all three of these things happening at the same time.
Old buggy build:
Bits flying off/opening:
If they cannot get it right, it will not be in, yet nobody has seen a build with all three of these things happening at the same time.
Another year of dev time to get it right? 
Another year of dev time to get it right?
I doubt that they'll ever get it right, not for GT5, however, if it doesn't work, they'll dump it.
Well, it is hard to "tell the polygons to bend" in the right place
In all seriousness though, as usual I think they are placing a bit too much focus on photorealistic screenshots. I mean there is no reason they couldn't use real time deformed meshes and pre-baked texture layers. It might not look authentic under close up inspection, but in-game it'd be fine and appear to be location specific damage.
Although since i'm on a phone and haven't seen any of the above videos, that might be the route they are trying?
In all seriousness though, as usual I think they are placing a bit too much focus on photorealistic screenshots. I mean there is no reason they couldn't use real time deformed meshes and pre-baked texture layers. It might not look authentic under close up inspection, but in-game it'd be fine and appear to be location specific damage.
Although since i'm on a phone and haven't seen any of the above videos, that might be the route they are trying?
There is no video showing how the Ferrari in question got the damage, but its front end, and especially the front bumper has gone into concertina mode, without any paint scratches at all.
Weaste that last picture is clearly a real life screenshot, you are fooling no one.
Doubt we'll see final damage until release. I still can't believe they've been allowed to display that much damage on a Ferrari though.
Well if they want it to be realistic, shouldn't the Ferraris randomly burst into flames?
Mind you, the fire effects might add another year and $10m to the development
Mind you, the fire effects might add another year and $10m to the development
I hope you're not judging GT5's crash damage from a low quality video Lance. Surely you should play the game first before making any observations from gameplay videos?
im happy with that.
The problem I have with damage is that it's also linked to mechanical damage, it's not just for looks. This will mean that whenever someone in an online game has a shunt significant enough to feck up the car, they will be out of the race, and in such a scenario I can imagine thousands of teenagers will simply turn the car around and go the wrong way around the track trying to hit everything they can see coming the right way, just for the shits and giggles. Thank god for private lobbies.
I don't think being able to visually wreck up your car really adds to what Grand Turismo's been about in the past anyway.
The fun was always in being able to master a particular corner or course, or overtake someone, whilst driving some pain in the arse car that spins a mile off course the second you get something even slightly wrong. Frustrating as hell but addictive as hell and visually brilliant at the same time.
Games like Burnout are for people who want to wreck shit up just for the sake of it (i.e. me).
Or there's Grid which is sort of half one half the other, and still good fun.
The fun was always in being able to master a particular corner or course, or overtake someone, whilst driving some pain in the arse car that spins a mile off course the second you get something even slightly wrong. Frustrating as hell but addictive as hell and visually brilliant at the same time.
Games like Burnout are for people who want to wreck shit up just for the sake of it (i.e. me).
Or there's Grid which is sort of half one half the other, and still good fun.
Gran Turismo is in between the arcade racers and the sims. This one may be different, but I doubt it's anything majorly advanced from what we've seen on consoles.
However, the sheer amount of cars and modes, coupled with what will no doubt be an enjoyable enough physics engine, should make it amongst (if not the) best.
However, the sheer amount of cars and modes, coupled with what will no doubt be an enjoyable enough physics engine, should make it amongst (if not the) best.
Bugs, don't you love them?
I guess the only good thing we can say about that is that atleast the cars move properly in the air
Bits flying off/opening:
Surely the only reason his car looks like that is because he insists on reading the newspaper, and not looking at the road
That would be true if he wasn't the copilot.
I think that it backs up what I was saying before, in that you can't make any real judgements from the builds currently being shown as demos all over the show. They are clearly old and rather buggy.
Why is he sitting in the drivers seat?
Exactly my opinion.
I've enjoyed Gran Turismo a lot without damage, to me a race where I crash is a shit race. It was all about competing against myself (the AI and few opponents always made sure that the competition against other cars was never too realistic) and trying to drive perfectly.
Adding damage, more opponents, and specially the opportunity to race online will surely be a welcome thing, but I hope they do it right and that all other aspects of the game remain great like they used to.
It's TGS this week isn't it? Let's see it rain.
is indeed. Starts thursday.
The best bit is, at the end of all of that, it lands and drives off as if nothing had happened.