Not really and for what purpose?
Fabregas
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
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He just doesn't fit in. Imagine Veron and Berbatov for United.. then picture Fabregas. I'm sure they don't mind his quality however its not the be all and end all of their play.
I don't have the answer to either question. But it seems to me the first one contradicts your point - if I get you right, that is. If we wanted to make a "show-off" bid, to impress who knows who or what, we surely wouldn't offer anything below market price. That would impress neither our fans nor the media. The most obvious explanation for the "low" bid is that we know something, or at least think we know something, based on...erm, something either Barca or Fabregas (or Fabregas' agent) have communicated to us.
The second question: Well, as I've said before, it's not entirely unthinkable that Barca (and/or players and agents) have given us the impression that neither Thiago nor Febragas was an impossible target: Moyes wanted Thiago, couldn't have him, so went for the other guy. This obviously doesn't fit in with what Moyes has said himself (that Thiago was not the No1 target), but that could be smoke for the press on his part: He wouldn't go out and say that Fabregas - now his only option of the two - was in fact his second choice.
No. There's your answer.
People will use any unlikely transfer in history to justify a next one Cantona, Van Persie etc. each moved for different reasons. If we are weighing up what we do know then the likelihood is Fabregas doesn't come here. No harm in hoping but some of you trying to convince the rest of us need to leave it out, we watch football and follow the news and the club the same way you do. Bidding for Fabregas is a great signal of intent without signing him. It lets people know the calibre of player we will be aiming for. I think the club purposely leaked the information we never give out transfer news until the deal is basically done....
Making 'fake' bids doesn't give us secrecy. You think the people who feed stories to the papers will stop because we bid for another player? Did being linked with Thiago stop us being linked to other players?
goodness...this Fab transfer story is like an Agatha Christie mystery..
can't wait till the last chapter.....where we find which Caftard was telling the truth......
can't wait till the last chapter.....where we find which Caftard was telling the truth......
It was an open question. It can't be answered with the word no.
The Thiago link was the obvious one throughout the summer, all other transfer stories involving United and midfielders garnered a lot less press. People will still link United with players but if the top story is United bidding for Fabregas that is where most people's attention will be fixed. Anyway, not sure how much mileage this discussion has, you clearly disagree and that's no problem!
And bidding for Fabregas and, allegedly, Thiago gives a pretty good signal that Moyes is very aware of what we lack in midfield, which should please a lot of people on here...
So we didnt bid for Thiago, we bid for Cesc and now the groundwork has been laid for a bid for Fellaini. I suppose it's quite clever, by indicating we want a midfielder and not securing one - Fellaini will be bouyed. But we do not want to overpay as shown by our bid amounts. We will wait for Fellaini to force a move through which he can do by putting in a transfer request or dragging his feet.
A signal of intent would actually be signing him. Its not like clubs or supporters will be going "remember when United bid for Fabregas? That was amazing.They really showed they mean business"
Come on man everyone should know the calibre of player we are aiming for. Shouldn't need bids to reinforce that.
Well apparently we never actually wanted Thiago, it was Fabregas we wanted all along. Currently the very best midfielders are too hard to get imo. Thiago would have been a great signing anybody else we will need to pay at least 30 million for. I have no problem with that but I still feel the players that would suit us best are unattainable. It is nice to see bids but I would rather we focused on lesser players we can actually get here.
p.s How good is Sergi Roberto????
Which is what my first thought was.
Then I just started enjoying this thread for the lovely entertainment it's provided.
What the feckery jimbob are you talking about?
You might need to retrace your steps ac....y'know as you've got a lot on in this thread.
No bidding is also a signal of our intent to go out and spend money to get the best players. Right now fans are happy to see us going for this calibre of player (instead of Felliani etc.) I also said it ends up meaning nothing unless we sign him.
If he joins you guys I'll eat my hat along with these words.
Pixel and sauce. Yum.
Yeh but we shouldn't need public bids to reinforce that perception. It should just "be there."
Could Rooney's apparent wish to leave this evening be part of the Cesc merry-go-round? :-)
United management must know something we don't, even if what they "know" is that Barcelona wouldn't mind cashing in on Fabregas.
For us mere posters, we can only know what's in the public domain and speculate on that basis. Speculating on what we know right now, there's little chance of us landing Fabregas. But that's not to say there's ZERO chance of that happening. I'd say it's close to zero, however. A zero chance target would be Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Schweinsteiger, Thiago Silva and the like.
If you're playing the odds, bet against United procuring Fabregas. But we did land RvP last season, so you can't really rule this one completely out.
For us mere posters, we can only know what's in the public domain and speculate on that basis. Speculating on what we know right now, there's little chance of us landing Fabregas. But that's not to say there's ZERO chance of that happening. I'd say it's close to zero, however. A zero chance target would be Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Schweinsteiger, Thiago Silva and the like.
If you're playing the odds, bet against United procuring Fabregas. But we did land RvP last season, so you can't really rule this one completely out.
Apologies. Why won't you tell us your plan? It's an easy task apparently.
I might tell someone...just not you...because you have been a pesky arse.
Maybe it's not that easy and you're full of hot air.
Well you would hope we did our homework then.
It should, but there are quite a handful of clubs who are bigger forces in the market than us. How often have we bought a star from another big club?
Why the feck would the club either want or need to signal intent to anybody?
Who are they signalling to?
Who are they signalling to?
The cnut ran his contract down to blackmail us to selling him for a reduced fee or lose him for nothing on a Bosman.
They are cnuts for leaving before their contract ends, a year before or after their contract ends.
Footballers are cnuts.
Footballers are cnuts.
Little shitc**ts on internet forums, probably.
I just hope we won't have to wait 3 weeks for final answer.
He was tired of playing for an also ran so he had no choice.
Probably get shouted at this but I feel confident in the answer right now to be honest.
True, and there's no evidence that Fabregas will force Barcelona's hand as RVP. Even if he's not starting many games he's still an important figure for the sniveling catalans, first in line behind Iniesta and Xavi. He's living in Barcelona, which is a huge plus, and I'm sure his wages are more than adequate.
Still, Barcelona may see brilliant talent in their ranks and decide that now would be a great time to cash in on Cesc. I really can't see that happening, but then again we sold Beckham and Ruud when they were both at the peak of their game.
Can you really blame RVP? Of course not.
Arsenal have become something of a laughingstock in recent years. RvP wasn't the first to abandon ship and he won't be the last. Wilshere will be the next, probably next summer after another miserable season where Arsenal barely make fourth place, which "is as good as a trophy" according to their manager.
That said, if you're a gooner it's prefectly reasonable to be bitter toward RvP.
Cesc Fabregas wants to stay at Barcelona but will leave if club want to sell him to Man United.
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