Does Sir Alex's ruthless man management style still works in today football ?

SAF wasn't this ruthless tyrant you make him out to be.

He was clearly very loving and motivated if he felt you were giving him 100%.

If you didn't, he'd make it very clear that you'd be gone if it carried on. Players knew the line.

Very much so.
He had a unique ability of being ruthless when necessary. But he was also highly respected by his players, who would be as ruthless as the manager on the pitch.

Yes of course that would still work today, because he would have recruited the right players with the right attitude.
 
Very much so.
He had a unique ability of being ruthless when necessary. But he was also highly respected by his players, who would be as ruthless as the manager on the pitch.

Yes of course that would still work today, because he would have recruited the right players with the right attitude.
Yep. Similarly i'm sure to the way Pep and Klopp have managed to find that unique balance.

Jose used to have it too at Chelsea/Inter.
 
Yep. Similarly i'm sure to the way Pep and Klopp have managed to find that unique balance.

Jose used to have it too at Chelsea/Inter.

He did indeed. And that was one of his biggest strengths. I don't buy the narrative about his age.
I believe that his bond with his players has changed. Because clubs have allowed player power to take hold and don't back their manager properly when they try to take the players on.
 
If saf was appointed right now, he'd sell half the starting team in jan and play the fecking kids.
 
I wouldn't say he was extremely ruthless but one of his best attributes was getting rid of players at the right time. (something that would be useful now) Hughes, Ince, Kanchelskis, Keane, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy. All questionable at the time but turned out to be the right decision. The only questionable one was Stam but we got Ferdinand shortly after. It was impossible to keep Ronaldo.
 
Pep and Klopp man-manage in a similar vein to SAF. The collective is more important than the individual, no matter who that individual might be. Our managers post-SAF have almost been stripped of their authority because they don't have the ultimate power to isolate or discard bad apples
 
Earlier post mentioned that Jose Mourinho didn’t work. It did work in his prime Chelsea and Inter years. He later took over primadonna teams in real madrid and Man Utd and it obviously failed. SAF was great because he changed with the times, but players are too pampered now and with the ridiculous money being thrown around it doesn’t make it easier.
 
To a degree. Lets just say Saf would never sign c.... like Pogba, Di Maria and Sanchez in the first place
 
Pep is just as ruthless as Fergie ever was. They just know how each player should be handled. They are generally very good with people, but both are very very strict - if needed.
 
Fergie would still be top of the pile. Anyone that thinks differently just doesn't get it.

Ferguson would probably win the league with this squad. That's how good he was.
 
Yeah. He last won the league in 2013 - that is still 'todays era'.
 
Ruthless man management only works if the manager can get the tactics right in modern football.

Jose Mourinho could be the perfect example of someone who has ruthless man management but haven't had much sucess lately.
 
Hearing interviews from former players and world class ones at that, about how Guardiola has managed his team individually certainly puts this debate to bed. I think if the manager demands the respect of the dressing room they have more leeway to be more demanding. Klopp / Guardiola certainly have that aura that they will not tolerate anything but the minimum standards required.

I think United have lacked this in management since SAF retired. Mourinho to some extent comes close (which is funny as he's the most successful manager to manage United recent periods) but Jose seemingly lacks balance in offering up a compassionate side to go along with the discipline.
 
Yep, is Pep not ruthless?

You have to have the respect to back it up though hence why it doesn't really work for the likes of Mourinho

Plus Mourinho just abuses his players. He regularly goes on TV and announces that he thinks they're shit. Not that they played badly but that they're plain and simple shit. That isn't tough man management, it's just stupid and SAF, Pep and Klopp haven't done that. Then there's his tendency to pick certain players to torture like Shaw or Dele Ali and he just looks like he's a man pretending to be a football manager so he can vent his hatred of footballers.
 
We are in doldrums precisely because the club is not ruthless enough towards the underperformers or trouble makers.
 
You mention those players he was ruthless towards, but he also went out of his way to be accommodating towards players like Cantona and Ronaldo at times. He was very adept at treating different players in different ways to serve the team.

As for younger generations, they might (rightly imo) be less receptive to someone screaming at them as a primary motivational tool but SAF had already mellowed his approach a lot by the time he left, recognising that even the generation of players in his final team were different to the ones that had gone before.

As with the tactical side of the game (where he would also have to have evolved to keep up with current sides) the fact that he was such an adaptable manager makes it hard to say he wouldn't have adapted to the personalities in front of him. Managers like Pep and Klopp are able to keep discipline and motivation right with their younger players without seeming to overly cater to them.
I think the issue with the younger generation not taking too well to the hairdryer is largely correct but I think it does work so long as it's seen to be fairly administered and the recipient knows exactly what they've done to deserve it.

I doubt many players received it without provocation or a number of warnings about dangerous mistakes that led to it.

SAF was indeed very fluid in his ability to match the style to the player, a very tricky thing to do.

What he would need though, and this applies to any manager, is the support of his superiors, the trust that board members and shareholder representatives would listen to him before spending a lot of money.

I definitely think Klopp and Pep are ruthless, we saw how Klopp dealt with that defender (forget his name!) who was messing around on TV behind him.

You could tell Klopp was not impressed and he got binned off.

I think this lack of discipline is the effect of the huge rise in money in the game but the players ought to know that if a team goes on the pitch with 11 different agendas, nobody will benefit.

It does need a focus, a manager to dictate and explain their strategy and also take the rap if it all goes wrong.

I saw a thread the other day about players being unlikeable. This kind of thing feeds into that. Reading about for example, Anthony Martial, (but it could be anyone) he wants to leave, fair enough.

But allegedly doesn't want another English club and wants a loan or permanent move to Juve, Barca or Sevilla.

And then the wages are an issue.

It leaves me thinking 'and this is ManUtd's fault to solve?'?

He and his agent would have been more than happy when they signed the deal so to me, it's put up or shut up.

I don't begrudge anyone making the best deal they can but lots of this is veering into severe entitlement.

I know it can't happen but I would actually be impressed if any club actually took a stand and said we're getting rid of toxic situations and take a huge hit to write off contracts or stick them in reserve teams forever.

A pyrrhic victory I know but it's seriously unpleasant now when I saw that we'd spent £1.2bn since SAF.

We could have gone and just bought Wolves or Leicester or whatever and probably would have worked out better.

Maybe!
 
Fergie was only ruthless when he had to be, especially when he was younger. The myth and aura that developed from that was enough to keep most players on the right side of him. He definitely mellowed with age and wisdom though.
 
You need only look at the outpouring both when he retired and when he was ill from former players, even those he was perceived to have fallen out with to see that he got it right most of the time.

I wish we had a manager since with that level of ability to judge the mood and know how to handle individual egos and personalities.

Even when Roy Keane was at his most critical of Fergie in later years he still admitted that one of his biggest strengths was knowing exactly what to say to fit the situation. Sometimes a quiet word, sometimes motivational, sometimes a blast. I think that would fit any era. So many stories of the best player in the first half getting a roasting at half time to send a message to a player who was underperforming but would go into his shell if bollocked. Or when the players expected a row being told they were playing well and to keep it up. Also his ability to rotate players and keep them onside. "I need you fit for this important game in two weeks, get yourself ready as you be the main man" and only later on the player realising "Hang on Ive been dropped for the next two games!". It goes way beyond the cliche of the hairdryer.

I listen to the Utd Podcasts where they interview former players and the way 99% of them speak about Fergie if they played for him speaks volumes. I think only Lee Sharpe spoke of him in anything other than glowing terms.
 
It was apparent that he was quite progressive having achieved what he did in Scotland and having to counter the Celtic / Rangers, Hibs / Hearts blocs.
 
Sir Alex would be successful today, no question about it. But the better question is whether he would be given the long leash today that he had back in the late 1980s. His first few seasons were a bit of a struggle, as most here well know.
 
We had so many players with big personalities in the past. Keane, Vidic, Evra, Cantona, Rooney, Schmeichel, etc. They wouldn't stay long if all they got from Fergie was ruthless treatment.
 
I'm under the impression having worked with young people (16-23) a lot in the couple of years, that younger generations take less well to the hairdryer treatment than us that grew up to be teenagers in the 90's. I think you can be ruthless but need to be seen as very fair and balanced in your decision making. An iron hand in a velvet glove would be needed.

You can be a smiling polite working cruel cnut.

You also can be a very loving warming hot headed fergie.

I think the best of them knows which button to push