Do individual mistakes undermine us more than a lack of play style? (New manager, same ol' rubbish)

Okay. Pick any half decent attacking right back in the game e.g., Trippier. Wan-Bissaka is never going to be that.

I don't know why we didn't keep Ethan Laird around and see what he can do in the odd cup game.

I can remember Phil Jones and Chris Smalling playing at right back and I think they offered more in attack than Wan-Bissaka.
Well that’s simply not true. So far for us (not including this season) he has 11 assists and 2 goals in 2 seasons. Both goals came last season.

he is ahead of most right backs in the league from that point of view. Yes he is a young player that has some flaws to iron out but he reeds game time to do so and he has been improving.

Ethan Laird has been injury prone at all levels. I suspect the loan period is to help his development and prove he can stay for at this stage. He’s an exciting player but until he stays first it will just be promise.
 
We make more mistakes because the players take too long on the ball.
They take too long on the ball because none of the other players run or make themselves available for a pass.
None of the other players run or make themselves available for a pass because they have no instructions.
They have no instructions because we don't have a style of play.
We don't have a style of play because the coaches aren't good enough.

That's just my thoughts.
I’m not a huge Maguire fan but do think the amount of criticism he receives for “fannying about” on the ball is unfair. It’s not like he’s got midfielders queuing up to relieve him of it.
 
I have played at a fairly high level. When you have a manager who is very clear about what he wants and what the team wants to do, then it's easy. You don't hesitate, it's in your gut what you should do. When you don't have a manager who is clear, you hesitate, you stop up and think 'what do I do now?'. I have had both sets of managers, some players thrive with freedom, some thrive with a clear system but in general, what I thought, is that I want clarity. When I watch United I see the latter, where players always have to think, always take that extra touch and that is a big difference, especially when you want to break teams down. I'm not saying what I feel is a fact, is just how I experienced things and that was absolutely not at PL level I might say!
 
Comparison only seemed to mischievously begin when Trent was well out of form and looking like being left out of the Euros squad. Looks laughable now...as it did then really.
It’s always been laughable from a creativity point Of view and they will never be happy if they keep using him as the barometer. There are very few fullbacks like him around. He clocks up better numbers than some wingers!
 
I said it during the Newcastle game to my brother (before we scored), there was no movement from the front 3
 
Individual mistakes is a symptom of a lack of style of plan or clear define goals for the team. If your CB gets the ball under pressure and doesn't have an immediate option he will panic if the team hasn't got a specific plan to deal with that situation or if for some reason players are occupying the same space etc. A clear style of play means less mistakes they go hand in hand.
 
Press resistance is non existent in most games. Ironically AWB actually did really well versus Villa but teams target him and, some on the caf won’t like this, they also get a lot of change out of Maguire (this season he’s been terrible, Soton could have won the game due to his error, his terrible back pass under pressure versus Villa where Watkins should have scored).

This isn’t even to do with the players, it’s very short sighted to say AWB or Maguire is to blame, it’s because of what’s in front of them or, more aptly, what’s not in front of them. Fred is equally vulnerable to the press or miscontrol, McT is poor against a press (albeit better than Fred), Matic is too old, Pogba is very high risk and the one press resistant player we have in VdB never plays (not saying he is the answer). This boils down to how Ole has stated he wants us to play which is essentially direct high press football but with the press.

To be honest, the best way to sum this up is that if in attack we are reliant on individual brilliance then it makes sense we will also suffer more from individual errors. When there is no cohesion it isolates the individual.
The thing with Maguire I've noticed this season is he seems so cumbersome, slow of mind and body. I realise that he's never been the quickest but it's like he's a step behind everybody else.
 
It's a mix of both in the game vs Villa especially. Us not being able to play through the midfield is because of a coaching issue - we struggle when our midfielders are pressured.

However, Bruno gets the ball down in the 2nd minute and that's a goal, or if Greenwood passes to Bruno who is a fantastic position and it's a goal, or passes to Ronaldo earlier and it might be a goal. It's not as if our players weren't getting in good positions, it was each of our players was trying to go for a difficult option.

Having said that, we need to be more flexible in when to play via defence or when to launch the ball forward. If the opponents press the DMs or the CBs and it's always a squeaky bum moment. And that is on coaching team
 
A lot of that comes down to poor coaching. A lot of our players don’t know where to go after laying off a pass, the majority of them down know how to shake someone who’s marking them leading to poor passes. the amount of times you see a United play standing beside or behind an opposition player not giving his teammate an option is staggering.

The fact we rely of Bruno so much for creativity as you mention is a hallmark of poor coaching. We don’t know how to break down a team so just give the ball to the player who can do it on his own.

Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.
 
Wouldn’t say we lack play style in general. I think the double pivot with McT/Fred and Pogba on the left cause Ole headache. We don’t have the right balance or combination of players on the midfield.

So bottom line is: We probably don’t have the right midfielders to play the system or play the way Ole wants. That’s why we probably have to adjust our system a bit - until we have completed midfield transfers (inn/out).
 
Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.

Yes of course they do. They're told exactly when to make runs and which areas they need to cover. The better you get the more instructions you have to follow.

We take risky passes because there's nothing else on. We let runners go because we get outnumbered. That's all coaching.

The only time it's not is when somebody like Bailly slices a clearance or Maguire cannons a backpass at De Gea.
 
Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.

Of course they need to, it's not an individual sport and players don't share a single mind. If you want 11 players to be on the same page, react and read a situation in the same way, then you need a single voice and single way of reading triggers. Also being at professional level makes it even more important because pace is a crucial component, it's actually at lower level that you don't need to be as involved with these things because the pace is slower, opponents don't read the game as quickly and they are worse athletes.
 
Every single player employed by United can control a pass and make accurate passes at a high rate. What they can't all do at a high rate is the sequence of reading an untidy situation, control the ball and then pass it seamlessly. The issue is with time and space, time to read and space to have time to read which often lead to someone being rushed and missing something that they would otherwise not miss. That's what top players and top managers bring, top players process information faster and can do the exact same sequence at higher speed which means that they are less often under pressure but it's not limited to top players, top managers also make things easier by enforcing patterns/processes. In order to have an edge you don't want your players to entirely read all situations while they happen, you want them to be able to anticipate and have less thinking to do. Top teams have patterns for recycling the ball and patterns for moving the ball from one area to the other, these teams are generally only "free-styling" in the last third.

Also a style of play doesn't help you break down lowblock, it's actually pure talent that allows that. A play style allows you to reach the last third easily without putting yourself in vulnerable situations.
That's partially true but well-coached teams tend to isolate defenders to create 1on1 vs their attackers, something we struggle with massively. Imagine if Greenwood was against 1 player instead of 3 most of the time.
 
The thing with Maguire I've noticed this season is he seems so cumbersome, slow of mind and body. I realise that he's never been the quickest but it's like he's a step behind everybody else.
I wonder if he now feels, for the first time, his position is under threat and he's not reacting like Shaw did with Telles.
 
Although some players won’t fit into some systems obviously — Wan-Bissaka especially looks like an odd fit to most of the modern proactive tactics.
He's just asked to do something he can't and why people have been crying out for a RW. Since Ronaldo came in Greenwood a lot of times has hugged the touchline and we haven't had to rely on AWB to get in crosses, and if Sancho can be started in the position and given that role then it should likely be better. AWB is good enough to overlap and take a defender with him, as long as he has a good RW who would be able to cross it should be fine. Right now it takes me back to the Valencia days when teams left him open to put in a cross.
 
That's partially true but well-coached teams tend to isolate defenders to create 1on1 vs their attackers, something we struggle with massively. Imagine if Greenwood was against 1 player instead of 3 most of the time.

Not in the last third, the most you will get is a late run inside or outside a fullback. If you pay attention you will notice that teams do the exact same things in the last third regardless of their style and goal creation isn't that "creative" from a tactical standpoint, your success in the last third is mainly based on how skilled your attacking players are. The key is how and where you enter the last third.
When you are in the last third and the opposition have 11 players packed in the last 30m, there is next to no tactic happening.
 
Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.

I agree. Watch any high level football match and try to count the number of times a player is outside of his zone. You'd give up after 10 minutes.

Obviously I'm not trying to suggest that a solid framework to a team doesn't exist, but there is a middle ground that is often not considered. I criticised Ole for not being more visible on Saturday when our shape fell to pieces, but I also think the players let us down badly. We looked like a good, strong & organised team when we beat West Ham the week before. Credit must also go to Villa who were excellent, but it was a collective sh*tshow on Saturday. The sort of display that's so bad that, hopefully, everyone involved is looking at themselves and we generally get a good reaction after those types of performances.
 
Not in the last third, the most you will get is a late run inside or outside a fullback. If you pay attention you will notice that teams do the exact same things in the last third regardless of their style and goal creation isn't that "creative" from a tactical standpoint, your success in the last third is mainly based on how skilled your attacking players are. The key is how and where you enter the last third.
When you are in the last third and the opposition have 11 players packed in the last 30m, there is next to no tactic happening.

Agreed. Good posts
 
Of course they need to, it's not an individual sport and players don't share a single mind. If you want 11 players to be on the same page, react and read a situation in the same way, then you need a single voice and single way of reading triggers. Also being at professional level makes it even more important because pace is a crucial component, it's actually at lower level that you don't need to be as involved with these things because the pace is slower, opponents don't read the game as quickly and they are worse athletes.

Yes of course they do. They're told exactly when to make runs and which areas they need to cover. The better you get the more instructions you have to follow.

We take risky passes because there's nothing else on. We let runners go because we get outnumbered. That's all coaching.

The only time it's not is when somebody like Bailly slices a clearance or Maguire cannons a backpass at De Gea.

Being able to identify and move into space and pick passes is basic football that you teach kids.

The real problem with a lot of these players is that they have just low footballing IQs, they are suffering from years of over coaching and being told what to do and where to go that they are now unable to think for themselves on the pitch.
 
He's just asked to do something he can't and why people have been crying out for a RW. Since Ronaldo came in Greenwood a lot of times has hugged the touchline and we haven't had to rely on AWB to get in crosses, and if Sancho can be started in the position and given that role then it should likely be better. AWB is good enough to overlap and take a defender with him, as long as he has a good RW who would be able to cross it should be fine. Right now it takes me back to the Valencia days when teams left him open to put in a cross.
I don't think he's really good enough in any modern overlapping role, personally I would only be comfortable with him in an old-fashioned 4-4-2 behind a winger of Beckham's ilk.
 
Being able to identify and move into space and pick passes is basic football that you teach kids.

The real problem with a lot of these players is that they have just low footballing IQs, they are suffering from years of over coaching and being told what to do and where to go that they are now unable to think for themselves on the pitch.

It's simple stuff like if player a gets the ball, player b needs to move into space, player c runs a channel and player d goes wide to stretch the pitch. And then player a gets told which kind of pass to look for depending on where they are.

It's all simple but a coach still needs to teach them their vision.

It's easier for kids and social players, it's just teaching them how to pass the ball and play a one two.
 
I don't think he's really good enough in any modern overlapping role, personally I would only be comfortable with him in an old-fashioned 4-4-2 behind a winger of Beckham's ilk.
I meant overlapping the sense where he can provide an extra man to take the double up off the winger, receive a pass and give it back when keep possession, be able to press high up if we lose the ball there and very rarely put in a cross. I don't know if that's a modern or a traditional approach but that's pretty much what I would want see being asked from him with a proper wide player ahead of him taking up 99% of the wide play. He's obviously not a TAA/Walker kinda guy who can attack on his own. He's a defensive fullback with good pace and athleticism which is what we need to use him for.
 
Being able to identify and move into space and pick passes is basic football that you teach kids.

The real problem with a lot of these players is that they have just low footballing IQs, they are suffering from years of over coaching and being told what to do and where to go that they are now unable to think for themselves on the pitch.

So you think that all players have had the same coaches, the same instructions, relied on the same strength and weaknesses from age 5 to age 35? Or you realize that you need to give the same instructions to a particular group of player and adapt those instructions to that group?

Also keep in mind, that you are talking about the best kids among the best kids. If you think that these players have low footballing IQ then imagine how all the other kids are.
 
I wonder if he now feels, for the first time, his position is under threat and he's not reacting like Shaw did with Telles.
Dunno, or he could just be knackered. 2 long seasons ending with an injury then rushed back for the Euros and straight into another season.
Either way, he's not been great.
 
Not in the last third, the most you will get is a late run inside or outside a fullback. If you pay attention you will notice that teams do the exact same things in the last third regardless of their style and goal creation isn't that "creative" from a tactical standpoint, your success in the last third is mainly based on how skilled your attacking players are. The key is how and where you enter the last third.
When you are in the last third and the opposition have 11 players packed in the last 30m, there is next to no tactic happening.
I think, your last sentence is a pretty important one because I was stumbling upon the statement the other poster mentioned as well. It is difficult with all these terms like tactics and playstyle and everybody having a slightly different understanding of it. I agree with all your posts today, but I'd like to add one thing: while it is true (in my eyes) that once you arrived in the last third and the defense sits organized and cosy then individual ability gets very important but I think, the "style" still can help you. For example, if you know that you have a good dribbler in your team, you might be able to bait players away from him to create space and then to give the ball to him quickly to enable him to make use of his ability. Also you can switch tempo, switch sides fast, challenge the organization by moving the ball fast and see if a defender maybe makes a mistake. So there are things on a collective level, that can be done to at least try to ease the (undoubtedly difficult) task of unlocking an organized defense. And that is something, I think, we aren't making use of. We seem to be so slow in our passing plus (but that might be just me) I often think we lack players centrally in front of the box to pass to which then of course leads to us having to play around the whole "block" which takes so long that the defense usually is organized again once we arrive.

Another thing on a collective level is, but I guess that is what you mean by "where you enter the last third", that there are more ways to progress the ball than to play vertical long passes for the strikers to run to. If more people would join the attack, you might be able to progress by using shorter passes to keep better control while getting closer to the opponents goal without his defense being in shape. Another thing would be the sort of pressing you do to increase your chances of winning the ball higher up the pitch and then catch the other team cold while unorganized.

Being able to identify and move into space and pick passes is basic football that you teach kids.

The real problem with a lot of these players is that they have just low footballing IQs, they are suffering from years of over coaching and being told what to do and where to go that they are now unable to think for themselves on the pitch.
Even if that would be true, which I personally doubt, then good coaching would be needed even more to balance out the "low footballing IQ" of some of our players. I am pretty sure, you are wrong on that one. I mean, I get it, of course pass and move is a basic skill in isolation. And of course our players should be and are able to do it. But it seems like, as a collective we aren't doing a great job in that. Maybe because everybody just moves into space where they think it makes the most sense. But when all your wingers and strikers move into space in attacking positions, you end up exactly where we find us time and time again: with midfielders isolated being asked to either go long or give it back to the defense. To be in sync means, that a balance is established, between of progressive and safe options. If you have a team that plays together for years, these things will be created automatically through time and experience but there are quite a few managers who don't want to wait for that and act proactively.
 
Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.
Yes, to all of them.
 
Does coaching need to get down to that granular level with pro players? Do professional footballers really need someone to tell them where to go after playing a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to be to receive a pass? Do they need someone to tell them where to make a run to? Do they need to be told how to find space? Do they need to be told how to pick a pass?

That is basic passing and movement, it shouldn't be a problem at this level.

Of course, because there's more than one place to go after making a pass. There's more than one place to go to receive the ball. There's more than one place to run and more than one position on the pitch to find space. The coach is the person who coordinates all these options to make sure that a tactical plan is executed. Players don't think with one mind, in any moment they may all have different views on what the best choice is to make. Its up to the coach to get them all to choose the right decision to get to the desired end point.
 
I agree. Watch any high level football match and try to count the number of times a player is outside of his zone. You'd give up after 10 minutes.

Obviously I'm not trying to suggest that a solid framework to a team doesn't exist, but there is a middle ground that is often not considered. I criticised Ole for not being more visible on Saturday when our shape fell to pieces, but I also think the players let us down badly. We looked like a good, strong & organised team when we beat West Ham the week before. Credit must also go to Villa who were excellent, but it was a collective sh*tshow on Saturday. The sort of display that's so bad that, hopefully, everyone involved is looking at themselves and we generally get a good reaction after those types of performances.

Yeah, of course you need a plan. But if you watched the Villa game, it was basic passing, movement and spacial awareness that was the problem. Villa were able to pen Utd into because every player bar Ronaldo was within 30 yards of the ball. As a group of players on the pitch they should be able to identify and resolve issues like that.

It's simple stuff like if player a gets the ball, player b needs to move into space, player c runs a channel and player d goes wide to stretch the pitch. And then player a gets told which kind of pass to look for depending on where they are.

It's all simple but a coach still needs to teach them their vision.

It's easier for kids and social players, it's just teaching them how to pass the ball and play a one two.

Yes, but on the pitch you are still relying on the players to know the triggers. Which requires those players to be able to identify and react. When you have players with poor football brains and general on field awareness, like Pogba, Fred, AWB, McT, Maguire, Bruno then this is going to break down more often than not.

So you think that all players have had the same coaches, the same instructions, relied on the same strength and weaknesses from age 5 to age 35? Or you realize that you need to give the same instructions to a particular group of player and adapt those instructions to that group?

Also keep in mind, that you are talking about the best kids among the best kids. If you think that these players have low footballing IQ then imagine how all the other kids are.

Not at all. Modern players are over coached from the age of 6. They enter academies at ten or younger and are further coached into the systems. They do not develop the ability to think and learn for themselves on the pitch.

It's the equivalent of someone learning everything from a book and having to apply in the real world. As soon as something that wasn't in the book happens, they'll be lost. A lot of these Utd players look lost too often.

Players need instruction, of course they do, but they also need to have some awareness and ability to adapt to situations on the pitch. As a group they should be able to resolve little things in the game, players not making the right runs or not finding space or playing bad passes. These are all things thst should be picked up and communicated during the game. They cannot be totally controlled by the managers instructions.

Remember how much stick Mourinho got for saying Luke Shaw was playing with his brain?
 
I think its bit or both,
If you are not getting enough option of pass then its down to manager, but you can teach player how to make 5 yard pass.
In Villa game, lots of time our defender got press and there was no option for pass its manager mistake, but those 5 yard misplace pass and unnecessary shooting was players mistake.
 
Yeah, of course you need a plan. But if you watched the Villa game, it was basic passing, movement and spacial awareness that was the problem. Villa were able to pen Utd into because every player bar Ronaldo was within 30 yards of the ball. As a group of players on the pitch they should be able to identify and resolve issues like that.



Yes, but on the pitch you are still relying on the players to know the triggers. Which requires those players to be able to identify and react. When you have players with poor football brains and general on field awareness, like Pogba, Fred, AWB, McT, Maguire, Bruno then this is going to break down more often than not.



Not at all. Modern players are over coached from the age of 6. They enter academies at ten or younger and are further coached into the systems. They do not develop the ability to think and learn for themselves on the pitch.

It's the equivalent of someone learning everything from a book and having to apply in the real world. As soon as something that wasn't in the book happens, they'll be lost. A lot of these Utd players look lost too often.

Players need instruction, of course they do, but they also need to have some awareness and ability to adapt to situations on the pitch. As a group they should be able to resolve little things in the game, players not making the right runs or not finding space or playing bad passes. These are all things thst should be picked up and communicated during the game. They cannot be totally controlled by the managers instructions.

Remember how much stick Mourinho got for saying Luke Shaw was playing with his brain?

That's the interesting part, how do you think it works? Players are in the middle of a sequence, they can't pause the game and start communicating, so how are they supposed to solve a problem as a group while it's happening?
 
No.

VDB summed it up for me against West Ham. He get's the ball from his CB's, looks up and sees zero passing option. He then drives forward whilst constantly looking for a pass, he looks and looks until West Ham realise if he get's pressed, he has to go back. He has zero options. He then went ballistic for the lack of support or passing option.

This kind of situation happens all the time. Forwards stand next to their marker, players don't run in behind and often, the front 3/4 will be in a small box around one another. When you don't have progressive passers in the middle (Fred or McT) this gets more apparent. Sideways, Zombie football when in possession and the opponent is set.

For a player brought up in a system with clear attacking patterns (VDB and Sancho), this becomes painfully obvious. They look for basics, and they are not there.

Our only way round it, is 100 mph counter attacking football, which you cannot rely on in every game and often leads to mistakes.
 
It's strange how football is the only sport where people argue against tactical instructions and common philosophies, it's not the case in Rugby, Basketball, Handball or Hockey. It's the only sport where people fail to understand that it's a game of margin and that these kind of things are crucial to success.
 
I said it during the Newcastle game to my brother (before we scored), there was no movement from the front 3

With this discussion going on both here and in the media I've started to focus on the differences in our player-movement/positioning compared to that of other clubs. So in any game I try to look "beyond the ball-carrier" or so to say.

What I've noticed is not just lack of movement from our front 3. It seems that when we win the ball deep in our half we're always set up to counter, we seldom pull back a player to give other options. There is also very little interchanging runs on our flanks (which makes us easy to read). The plan always seems to be to get the ball as high up as possible and go from there. If this is good or bad I don't know but when it isn't working we still don't seem to switch our approach.
 
No.

To make it worse, the lack of playing style will lead to more individual mistakes, since you rely more on individual brilliance to succeed.
 
Of course not. Our players are not blithering idiots, they are just playing without cohesive coaching & a clear tactical philosophy.

Unless we can counter, our style is purely either waiting for a moment of individual magic, an opposition mistake or a bit of luck. There’s never any noticeable patterns of play, which is why we invariably struggle against low blocks. It’s not sustainable if we want to be challenging on all fronts.
 
No.

VDB summed it up for me against West Ham. He get's the ball from his CB's, looks up and sees zero passing option. He then drives forward whilst constantly looking for a pass, he looks and looks until West Ham realise if he get's pressed, he has to go back. He has zero options. He then went ballistic for the lack of support or passing option.

This kind of situation happens all the time. Forwards stand next to their marker, players don't run in behind and often, the front 3/4 will be in a small box around one another. When you don't have progressive passers in the middle (Fred or McT) this gets more apparent. Sideways, Zombie football when in possession and the opponent is set.

For a player brought up in a system with clear attacking patterns (VDB and Sancho), this becomes painfully obvious. They look for basics, and they are not there.

Our only way round it, is 100 mph counter attacking football, which you cannot rely on in every game and often leads to mistakes.
This bolded bit... It makes my head spin watching our forwards receive passes under pressure of 1/2 players.

Rashford is the best example of our problems, he often receives a pass, goes back to his goal a few yards because he can't find/see a passing option, and passes it back to defensive line, goes forward again. He excells at running behind/at the defense or in 1on1, but he's a bit clueless in the buildup. Which is why I think Sancho (once he finds his feet) will be a better option against packed defenses.
 
Wouldn’t say we lack play style in general. I think the double pivot with McT/Fred and Pogba on the left cause Ole headache. We don’t have the right balance or combination of players on the midfield.

So bottom line is: We probably don’t have the right midfielders to play the system or play the way Ole wants. That’s why we probably have to adjust our system a bit - until we have completed midfield transfers (inn/out).
Excuses excuses. It’s always excuses.

He’s had 6 transfer windows & spent £450m.

Last summer alone he spent £75m on van de Beek, Diallo & Pellestri, three players he has no intention of using. If he doesn’t have the right midfield to implement his system he only has his own recruitment to blame for that.
 
It's strange how football is the only sport where people argue against tactical instructions and common philosophies, it's not the case in Rugby, Basketball, Handball or Hockey. It's the only sport where people fail to understand that it's a game of margin and that these kind of things are crucial to success.
I have a theory that part of this fan base have a reactionary attitude to possession football because of our 06-11 team defeats against Barca. They probably feel the need to dismiss that style of football and all the developments in the game born out of it like the high press and drilled patterns of play because to accept its supremacy is to admit that Fergie’s last great side and his football philosophy were second best. You see this kind of behavior expressed most prominently by Neville for instance when he praised Bayern’s football and likened it to Utd of old after they smashed Barca, or when Guardiola’s successes were always dismissed as merely being fortunate enough to run into a group of great players.