Day 23: Netherlands vs. Argentina

Kuyt is just so awful. They deserve to miss the final for playing such a donkey. Shame on Van Gaal for not finding an alternative.

He's not been that bad but his final ball into the box from the left has been woeful on numerous occasions. Robben starting to come into the game more.
 
Germany will beat either of these.

Most likely. But their strength also is highlighted when teams attack them leaving gaps. Neither of these two teams will do a Portugal/Brazil and leave too many gaps at the back based on this. But Germany on paper are a superior team
 
Messi is a joke. Anyone comparing him to Maradona after this is out of their mind.
You're embarrassing. Check out the 1990 WC final to see a nothing game by Maradonna.
 
Dude what's up with everyone complaining about this game being so cagey? The stakes are so high. After Brazil's rout yesterday, it must have really got to both coaches head so they are setting their teams up so cautiously. You're talking about a place in a World Cup Final!
 
Well, he was just not in it. When he touced the ball he did fine. He just didn't get it, can't say that is an awful match really.

Clearly, he isn't all there.

He lost the ball far too much, he looked weak in possession, he is usually very good on the ball hardly gives it away, but i guess he needs a break a holiday will do him a good.
 
Not a dig at you, but what is everyone's obsession with how much u ran?

Maybe he's briefed to not track back? It certainly wasn't a problem under Pep.

Watching him I was struck by the lack of effort so was just checking..It's a proxy for effort I guess.
 
Kuyt was allegedly an attacking player once.

And I know I miss-posted this in the Blind thread earlier.

He's a workhorse striker who is being asked to play left-wing. Of course he's one dimensional in attack given the lack of space, movement and pace. He's also getting on a bit.

I agree that his crossing has been terrible, but his defensive work has been excellent.
 
Messi is a joke. Anyone comparing him to Maradona after this is out of their mind.
He got a very average team to the quarters almost single handedly

He looks nowhere near fully fit. I've said it a few times, he hasn't looked fully fit for nearly the past 18 months

Barcelona and Argentina rely on him far too much and he plays far too many games. He is being ruined.
 
Holland are shambolic on the left. Kuyt is completely out of ideas and can't even get his crosses within 3 yards of a Dutch player. They should just feed it to Robben on the right like in the Costa Rica game.
 
Watching Messi thesedays is strange, he doesn't seem to have the pace/acceleration to be beat a load of players like he used to. A few years ago he's absolutely breeze by 3/4/5 players like it was the easiest thing in the world, he just doesn't do that anymore. Still capable of magic, mind.
 
I prefer this game to Last Night's which was over 30 minutes in.
I understand that of course, the ideal is a back and forth game with a few goals. Last night was entertaining due to the number of goals and the sheer craziness of the situation. This just feels like a chore to watch. Though it has gotten slightly better.
 
Messi certainly has been poor. He is a legend on the club level but there is a good reason why Argie fans don't worship him like they did with Maradona. For a player with legendary status, this performance has been nothing short of an embarrasment. He isn't even trying or working hard.
 
He got a very average team to the quarters almost single handedly

He looks nowhere near fully fit. I've said it a few times, he hasn't looked fully fit for nearly the past 18 months

Barcelona and Argentina rely on him far too much and he plays far too many games. He is being ruined.
Yep, this Argie team are no great shakes. Too much average in it, plus out of form attackers.
 
He got a very average team to the quarters almost single handedly

He looks nowhere near fully fit. I've said it a few times, he hasn't looked fully fit for nearly the past 18 months

Barcelona and Argentina rely on him far too much and he plays far too many games. He is being ruined.
I think this much is obvious. His career will keep on dwindling at this rate.
 
Playing 120 min here will only make it easier for Germany. It would almost be better to loose this match, because you will only get closer, but never win it.