You do know reasons to get the vaccine is not just to lower transmission rate, right?
Covid Outbreak at Man Utd
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Yup. That's the crux of the problem and I can fully understand why mandatory vaccination is being talked about. It's not about preventing spread, it's about not having to isolate for 10 days and miss 2/3/4 games.
I fully agree. I’ll never understand the pro choice argument when it comes to safeguarding once health and protecting others. And it is completely normal for someone to have initial reservations over getting vaccinated - I speak to patients about this all the time- but the anti-vaccine stance seems rather reactionary, baseless and immature.
I'd be curious to see how many of the posters on here, labelling others as "anti-vaxxers", get their annual flu jab.
I'm guessing less than 50%.
I'm guessing less than 50%.
Let's conflate seasonal flu and COVID yet again...
There seems to be a serious correlation between newbies and antivaxxers in here...
Not that it is in any way relevant to COVID but they don't offer it on the NHS to me otherwise I would get it if medical experts advised me to. I'll always listen to medical experts over random nutters on Facebook and Twitter.
Pro Vax (or just not an idiot) but also pro choice. A government shouldn't be mandating a vaccine. People are not the property of the state. However they should be opted out of state provided care (i.e. the NHS) should they decide to not get the vaccine. This applies to all vaccines. We'll see how people's opinions fare when they have to pay the real cost of treatment... Or die.
Do you also suggest refusing to treat someone for lung or throat cancer because they smoke or previously did?
Covid vaccine is available to everyone for free, flu vaccines are offered to vulnerable groups. It's not comparable.
My work would however arrange flu vaccines for everyone in the office and most people would take it.
The NHS is not buckling under the weight of trying to treat people with smoking induced cancer so that is a bad comparison too.
Humans are mysterious. We put things in our body every day that we don’t know what is truly in it or what long term effects it will have. Some choose to put things in their body knowing full well what long term effects it will have. However, for the most part, those choices won’t directly affect the person next to you. COVID is a virus. It’s spread is airborne. It might kill you or it might not. You could spread it to someone else who gets really sick and dies. Given the choice to prevent the spread and potentially killing someone else is the right thing to do. If you can’t or don’t want to do that then you should alter your social habits accordingly. The problem is most won’t do that and will just go on as usual. Then you have those who are nuts, stupid, or both and believe the vaccine has a chip in it. They probably also believe the earth is flat. Those same people will spew their rhetoric from a smart phone which does more tracking than an imbedded chip in your body would ever do. You can’t reason with these people.
I know several people who died from COVID. All unvaccinated. A few before the vaccine was available. Some of their family and friends still refuse to be vaccinated. I tell them to at least have their affairs in order so the shitstorm of them suddenly dying does not burden their family.
Hit the nail on the head.
fecking hell, the state of this thread. Why are these posts not getting binned?Life must be a struggle for you with this sort of thinking. Or lack there of.
How has this turned into a vaccine/anti vaccine thread? Can’t escape this shite even on a football forum 
nothing anywhere suggests that the players who have covid aren’t vaccinated, most of them probably are by now.
nothing anywhere suggests that the players who have covid aren’t vaccinated, most of them probably are by now.
Vaccines are not purely for your own protection. They are for you own protection as well as for the protection of the society you live in. A high vaccination rate may not stop the spreading, but it does slow it down and, more importantly, reduces the number of people requiring intensive care.
A mandate should be a last resort. However, if the healthcare in your country is on the brink of collapse, and you have tried all other measures, then it may be necessary with some mandates.
Vaccinations can also help to reduce the severity of the disease if one gets Covid.
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Vaccines continue to reduce a person's risk of contracting the virus that cause COVID-19. Vaccines are highly effective against severe illness.
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html
They should play in their cars, imagine Ronaldo, Rashford and Sancho bombing forwards in Mercedes
Confirmed United players who were at Carrington on Wednesday:
Cristiano Ronaldo, Fred, Victor Lindelof, Amad, Marcus Rashford, Eric Bailly, Raphael Varane, Diogo Dalot, Scott McTominay, Anthony Martial, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Lee Grant, David de Gea, Bruno Fernandes, Edinson Cavani, Phil Jones, Alex Telles, Tahith Chong.
https://t.co/njDnlLJI64
Cobble together a starting 11 out of that;
De Gea
Dalot
Bailly
Varane
Telles
Mcfred
Fernandes
Rashford
Cavani
Ronaldo
not bad really. Just missing Sancho and Maguire from the team that beat Norwich. And Greenwood must be out and have to self-isolate because he's not vaccinated and came into contact with someone who has covid. Not because he has covid because he had covid recently and recovered.
Cristiano Ronaldo, Fred, Victor Lindelof, Amad, Marcus Rashford, Eric Bailly, Raphael Varane, Diogo Dalot, Scott McTominay, Anthony Martial, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Lee Grant, David de Gea, Bruno Fernandes, Edinson Cavani, Phil Jones, Alex Telles, Tahith Chong.
https://t.co/njDnlLJI64
Cobble together a starting 11 out of that;
De Gea
Dalot
Bailly
Varane
Telles
Mcfred
Fernandes
Rashford
Cavani
Ronaldo
not bad really. Just missing Sancho and Maguire from the team that beat Norwich. And Greenwood must be out and have to self-isolate because he's not vaccinated and came into contact with someone who has covid. Not because he has covid because he had covid recently and recovered.
I'd be curious to see how many of the posters on here, labelling others as "anti-vaxxers", watch the masked singer?
I'm guessing less than 97%. Am I doing this right?
I'm guessing less than 97%. Am I doing this right?
This is absolutely spot on.
I was engaging with somebody the other day after they tweeted that they were sick of being labelled as an anti-vaxxer and they were 'pro choice'. They said "being pro choice doesn't make me anti anything".
Me: "but you are against the vaccine, right. There anti-vaccine?"
Them: "Yeah, but that's not the point i'm making..."
Glad to hear Bailly and Martial are ok. Gonna need them for the xmas run in
Rather than the no. Of cases or something like that? Thanks, didn't realise that
If the list is accurate, there's absolutely no reason to doubt whether the next match will go ahead.
They aren't remotely related.
I only started getting the flu jab about 5 years ago because I took absolute stinker of a flu at Xmas 2 years in a row. Up until that I had hardly ever got the flu.
I'm not going to wait around and see how badly covid hits me before I decide to get the vaccine or not.
Wasn't there a report/article somewhere that said most footballers weren't vaccinated?How has this turned into a vaccine/anti vaccine thread? Can’t escape this shite even on a football forum
nothing anywhere suggests that the players who have covid aren’t vaccinated, most of them probably are by now.
Covid vaccines are available and offered to everyone, annual flu jabs are not.
You'll probably be banned soon so don't know why I've bothered replying but stupidity needs to be called out.
Maguire, Shaw, Matic, VDB, Lingard, Mata, Sancho, Greenwood, Elanga, Henderson and Heaton affected by COVID outbreak. 11 players in total.
Some will be positive cases (probably around 3-4) and the rest will be because they are unvaccinated like Mason Greenwood we know now is definitely not vaccinated because he wouldn't get Covid as he only just had it a few weeks ago. So he must have to self-isolate because he's unvaccinated and obviously came into contact with the Covid positive player (s). If you are vaccinated you don't need to self-isolate as a contact.
the Premier League only care about positive cases (3-4). They will say it's tough shite if you have unvaccinated players that's your problem not ours. So the game against Brighton is on unless both teams report a raft of new cases before Saturday and both want and agree to postpone the game.
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Personally I'm pro vaccination and encourage everyone around me to be vaccinated. I was for government mandated vaccinations early on, but am now 'pro-choice' with respect to government mandates. However I think the individual clubs would be well within their (moral...not sure about legal) rights to require their own players to be vaccinated, just as they require them to not drink, not stay out late, not play other competitive sports during the season for fear of injury, etc... The players accept all sorts of restrictions and obligations in order to maintain a high physical level as part of their commitment to the club, and I don't see anything wrong with the club forcing vaccines on the players for the same sorts of reasons.
Higher than I remember but that's a decent enough uptake I think.
A remarkable generalisation that.
I've had my vaccine, before you decide to have a pop. My wife worked in ITU for 6 years in one of the largest hospitals in the country, she's left now, but her best friend is still there who has now moved into a bed manager position. She's refusing to get the vaccine because of the huge increase in patients being admitted with strokes, the overwhelming majority of which have received the vaccine. This is someone that's been in the thick of it for 2 years, has seen both sides, but she's come to her own decision.
Let's not act like everyone that doesn't happily lap up every vaccine sent our way is some sort of thick shit that should be taken out of the gene pool.
If players want to the dough, get the vaccine or forego salary for missed games. A lot of other more worthwhile professions get paid a lot less but require you to get jabs, so it's a personal choice.
They can always go and be a shopkeeper or something and never be asked for vaccine status.
As for those who may not be vaccinated, it'll quickly become clear if we have outbreaks in our or opposing teams, as players would be out for weeks without training, let alone playing games.
They can always go and be a shopkeeper or something and never be asked for vaccine status.
As for those who may not be vaccinated, it'll quickly become clear if we have outbreaks in our or opposing teams, as players would be out for weeks without training, let alone playing games.
When did he come back into the fold?
Fekkin hell even the wooden top reds who stuck by Ole aren't so thick as to be anti-vax.
So even when we are ravaged with covid VDB still won’t play
He got a groin injury at Birmingham which could have him out for half a year or so, so came back here to recover.
Is your wife's friend a scientist or just a random nurse? Because you talk about generalisations (and use the word wrongly) and then go on about some random person who may or not have a clue.
The last two years have shown that nurses and even doctors are not immune to stupidity. And even if there is a risk of the vaccine, as a whole, it benefits society.
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