I asked the right question. Can you point out where he failed in his remit in his previous role?
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He won't be afforded anymore reality checks that's for sure. This season will be put down as a learning curve, anymore blips under Qatari ownership and he's gone.
Show them the money Jassim
Amen
The same applies to the players. Qatar will no doubt hire a serious sporting director, someone with pedigree. At that point, the decision of who gets dumped is no longer only with the manager. Any sporting director will quickly identify the weak links, for me it’s clear that players like Antony and Dalot should be concerned because they have resale value and Qatar more than willing to fund quality replacements.
No you didn’t ask the right question at all, that’s not how whether he keeps his or not will be decided.
He’s succeeded in helping to protect the Glazers investment whilst club has been on downward spiral on and off the pitch. Whether people want to hear it or not that’s what he’s done.
Maybe he’s great at running a success football club, overseeing huge investment and infrastructure and can suddenly reverse the commercial decline but he’s never done any of it.
The decline off the pitch is every bit as bad as on it, probably worse. But unlike the mangers on the pitch people like Arnold and Woodward kept their jobs because it’s what they were brought in to do. If you want a different skill set you look at different people, you don’t just accept what you get left with.
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I think most united fans know this, the issue is actually getting rid of players who don’t want to go because they are on ridiculous contracts. We all know that P Jones, A Telles,E Bailey, H Maguire, A Martial, S Mctominay, D Henderson, A Ellanga, Weghorst need to go the loan deals and contracts finishing are easy but no one is touching Martial on £250k per week we might have to buy him out of his contract. After today’s performance maybe Dalot and De Gea are not the future too but we can’t be knee jerk right now. I want to see AWB start in the next few games though.
Even massive wealth can’t do anything If FFP says you can only spend £100m this summer, we need to get rid of players off the wage bill and sell at least £100m of these players to be able to really improve the squad with a £250-300m summer investment. The real test is how new owners will change the CEO and Football and sporting Director because we need to be getting deals in place April/May to make the correct transfers and do them early so they can have a pre season.
Exactly that, they are the most trigger hungry owners a club could not desire, they will be impatient and expect to challenge for the PL and CL instantly next season, even a fourth place and a cup win will get you the sack plus they will interfere don’t be surprised if they haven’t got their summer targets already and only a few will overlap with ETH.
He’s already compiling his transfer list which will be very different from ETH transfer list.
Let's get this club sold and take it from there. Today is just further proof we need investment into our squad.
He has nothing to do with today's match. He should not be even brought into the discussion.
You've written airy fairy things but not actually pointed out what he failed at.
You've made him guilty by association but can't point to what he actually failed at in his remit prior to being made CEO.
Hes been overseeing some of our largest commercial expansions we've had, which was integral to his remit prior to being made CEO.
Tell me what he failed in specifically that made him a bad egg.
If ETH’s transfer list contains the Antonys of this world for 80m then it can only be a good thing that he doesn’t have the final say in transfers.
It’s not guilt by association it’s just a fact he is part of failure and decline and serving Glazers interests whilst club went backwards in every department.
Again it’s wrong question, he’s not going to
keep the job based off argument it’s not his fault. Keeping the guy because you cant think of anything better is pretty airy fairy though.
Effectively you are looking for reason not to get rid of him. I’m assuming as this as an elite job with billions at stake that won’t cut it.
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It's not going to come down to what he's done wrong, but rather what he's done right, whoever comes in likely has their own teams of people, trusted advisors, people they'd be happy taking the CEO role the way the Glazers did with Woodward. In some cases it wouldn't matter how well the CEO had done, these people will be bringing in their own men, that's how it goes when you're spending £5bn on something, maybe they'll keep him on, maybe not, but I think he'll have to prove himself to whoever buys, rather than having to have done something wrong to get sacked
Redcafe will love them, then.
Price is up around 8% in the last couple of days. Probably because of the positive news of the bidders proceeding to the next stage.
Right because he's been shite in the transfer market for us...
If that's true, then they are not the sort of owners that I'd want. Boehly is a perfect example of that kind of moronic thinking.
"It's not guilty by association its just a fact he is part of a failure and decline"
^So literally guilty by association.
You've just completely ignored what his remit actually was, and instead of marking what is measured as success in his previous role, you've instead lumped the poor footballing decisions and lack of investment on to him.
I'm not denying that. I'm asking why Arnold is seen to be so bad, when it was well briefed that his approach when made CEO was completely opposite to Woodward. And when he was arguably positively impactful in his previous role.
Both ineos and Qatar are impatient. The latter tend to spend money though
Well I was more pointing why he might get sacked. I guess we can't really say whether he's done a good job without knowing the ins and outs but sometimes guilt by association is enough. Look at our politics, anyone who's served in the cabinet of this tory government is going to be immediately suspected of being shit, if you're part of an organisation that's underperformed for over a decade, maybe its unfair, but people expect you to share some of the blame
So you have formed a strong opinion about something you haven't even bothered to watch. Then decided to post about it. Classic.
Maybe you need to be pre scripted.
I don’t need to watch it. I’ve watched enough of there things to know what they are about.
My opinion is based on what I have seen and without watching it, I’ve heard they have lived up to my expectations.
So what you’re getting at I don’t know. Not my cup of tea. If it’s yours.. good on you! Keep watching.. no loss to me. I know where to get my United content and it’s not from them.
No it’s just a fact he’s been in a Senior Management role at a club that has declined massively over 15 years he’s been here. Rightly or wrongly no one comes out of that with credit.
He’s been happy to be part of the Glazer administration, he’s worked towards their goals. I’m sure he’d be happy to do it for next owners but seeing as they’ll have completely different aims I don’t think they’ll see a lot to encourage them to keep him.
We need the senior leadership culling
Again with the made up stuff? He's actually performed well in what his remit was for managing. He oversaw the greatest commercial growth we've had with record sponsor deals. In his world there wasn't a decline.
The stadium, carrington rotting, the shit footballing decisions, all of that had feck all to do with him. When he came in as CEO and inherited all these things, he empowered the footballing people with the footballing decisions and conducted reviews into areas we needed looking at which also led to overhauls which were long overdue. He's been CEO for barely a year.
So I'll ask again, what did he fail in prior to being CEO.
Yeah especially after being part of without doubt our worst performance in history
He'll definitely get sacked , my concern is some numpty is put in his place like at PSG.
Jassim is sound he’ll put the right people in charge.
Oh you know him do you?
People say Qatar are impatient and they have been at PSG. After spending our whole transfer budget of the last summer on Neymar 6 (or is it 7?) years ago.
We'll get resources and I very much doubt we'll have McTominay coming in to reinforce a midfield at Anfield. If EtH fails after that, then he'll be sacked probably but how many times has Carlo been sacked at Madrid?
Best mates.
He was the Managing Director for 9 years so not sure what you think is made up, also been a Board Member for most if not all of that time as well hence him having a role in Senior Managment.
No point going round in a circle, you think not blaming him keeps him in a job I think he has to offer a lot more.
I'm not sure if I've gotten this wrong but I'd heard nasser and psg isn't actually anyone that independently wealthy or influential, just he's a good friend of the emir. And he appoints the CEOs and the like. You'd hope that if they're trying to keep up the pretense of not being state owned they won't put people in power who's only qualification is being friends with the emir.
Plus I'd say that there's probably different requirements for a ceo at psg and here. Given they're basically guaranteed to win the league it's been about brining superstars and raising the profile in Qatar leading up to their world cup bid, here the club already has profile and making it successful will be the number one priority. No guarantees, but I'm more optimistic with new owners and a new ceo, than the Glazers continuing and our ceo staying on.
I know some continuity might be better, but if it's a binary choice, then there's no question I'd pick new owners and new ceo.
If whoever our new owners are going to be run us like this then I'm not interested tbh.
Just build something longterm, and back the manager.
We have invested more money into this squad than any other club in the last 8 years. Can't we please stop pedalling this myth that we don't spend money. It's utter lunacy at this point.
What we need to do is start spending it better. Starting with a world class football director.
Nope but why you so sure he's sacked
I will drink to that! Clean the house.
So, we need investment then?
Please buy us you beautiful Qataris.
I love your country, your men and your women. Your food is the best and your sandy shores are wonderful.
Please buy us, Mr Qatar. You’re our only hope.
I love your country, your men and your women. Your food is the best and your sandy shores are wonderful.
Please buy us, Mr Qatar. You’re our only hope.
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