Because City and Liverpool are the best sides in the history of this league on the numbers, so Conte won it in the past, so did ranieri. So he won an Italian league. United were top of league a few days ago. None of this proves they would be able to challenge the best teams in the history of their league when they are getting 99 pts.
Can Solskjaer get this team within 5 points of the champion of England?
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They buy a couple of top players in Jan another 4 in the summer at least. They get a manager say even at potter level and they will be a vastly improved side, although I think it will be a big name. I think they will be challenging for top 6 minimum, maybe even top 4. This Sheikh I read is worth £380 billion on his own
Exactly. I have said this many times. If you had a competent manager and experienced coaches, with this squad we should be doing so much better.
Yet we don't know how and how much he is willing to spend. Who his advisors will be. How lucky they will be with their transfers. What timeframe there is until a certain point is reached. I don't think, your scenario is impossible. But from a Newcastle point of view, Top6 or even Top4 would be absolute best case scenario. And what are the odds for that?
Actually it doesn't really matter, I find it pretty interesting myself how a team gets built more or less from scratch. Feels a bit like Pro Evo master league. We should look for ourselves, there is enough to work on before thinking about potential new challengers.
Have Chelsea improved? Well they are the current CL winners. isn't that an improvement?
I think not with our inconsistencies.
At the very least we need to be impregnable at the back, disciplined in the middle and organised up front
At the very least we need to be impregnable at the back, disciplined in the middle and organised up front
I don't like these sort of conditions. If I see Ole coaching this team like a top class manager can be expected to do then I'll have faith in him. As I haven't haven't that in 3.5 seasons, I don't.
It's only fair that he's allowed to spend 200 million in Jan. It's not HIS team yet.
This makes absolutely zero sense. You can't use absolutes in football based on past numbers/stats. Football isn't played on a spreadsheet. You know we finished above Liverpool last year right? Are you aware teams come and go in cycles based on the quality of the team and manager. There's absolutely no reason that those managers couldn't come in and start a cycle of dominance with united because we have an excellent squad. By your "logic" everyone should just not bother because Liverpool and city have put up some decent numbers.
I also find it laughable that you discount Conte beating both of these so called amazing sides to the title but use city and pool as evidence as to why he couldn't do so with a better squad at United.
Nobody in their right mind would suggest that we are somehow unlucky to be on 14 points. We were outplayed by Wolves and won against West Ham thanks to last minute wonder strike and missed penalty. xG table has us on 12.74 points with ~+3 goal difference. And we have not played a top team yet. I mean almost every team can say "if we were very lucky we could have had X points and be on top".
If you do not rate Tuchel's achievements much as he only "solidified the defense" then you must be damning in your critique of Ole surely? Since he failed to do that in 3 years and after spending more than 150m on it - we were leaking goals even with Varane in, and without him it has become even worse.
We could be in 8th or 9th by end of Sunday if we don't win.
You can never predict anything with absolute certainty in football, but I'd be genuinely shocked if we finished within 5 points of the eventual winners. Tbh I'd be shocked if we finished within 10 points. I'm expecting us to be ~20 points behind at best. Liverpool and City are simply superior teams, and judging by the last couple months you can probably add Chelsea to that list.
I have 3 issues with your statement.
1, Tuchel has won the CL trophy for Chelsea just a few months back. Reigning CL Champs.
This buys him some credit.
2. Chelsea are leading the EPL right now, which buys him more credit.
3. And just a few minutes ago I saw the scoreline of their current match:
Now, what reason should Ole be given credit and/or more time?
He has a team of Galactico class players, probably the most expensive first XI and we are going into matches as underdogs.
We’ve already been “back into the top 4” for the last 2 seasons
Top 4 is not some mythical achievement to be proud of. As a manager of MUFC, if all you can finish is top 4, you should be fired.
The top 4 trophy was brought about by Arsenal and their policy of targeting a position in the first round of the CL. They would then rest players in the CL, so they could qualify for next year's CL, by finishing top 4 in the EPL.
Top 4 is not an achievement to be celebrated.
Arsenal are level on points with us (game in hand I know) but they've already got City, Chelsea and Spurs out the way
I have 3 issues with your statement.
1, Tuchel has won the CL trophy for Chelsea just a few months back. Reigning CL Champs.
This buys him some credit.
2. Chelsea are leading the EPL right now, which buys him more credit.
3. And just a few minutes ago I saw the scoreline of their current match:
Now, what reason should Ole be given credit and/or more time?
He has a team of Galactico class players, probably the most expensive first XI and we are going into matches as underdogs.
1. Has nothing to do with winning a league competition. Well done to Tuchel.
2. Yes. If they are still leading convincingly after the Xmas period I'll buy more faith in him
3. Lads, it's Norwich
4. Where on earth have I argued for Ole being given more time or credit?? All I said is that I rate Tuchel much higher than Ole and I still have doubts about the former, so what do you think I think of Ole?
I hope I'm right for obvious reasons
Tbh I don't think it matters for us.
Lads it was Sheffield last year.