Break-in robbery at Lindelöf's house during Brentford game - Wife and kids at home

The whole thing needs to be dealt with, unfortunate having human security present may not 100% prevent break-ins - inside job within the security firm can never be ruled out 100%.

But it's so infuriating that we keep having those events and something has to be done.
 
golden_blunder said:
Remember 2 scouse scallies broke into Duncan Fergusons house and he hospitalised them :lol:
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Didn't it happen him twice?

There were 2 guys, he caught one and there was a "struggle" before he detained him and called the cops.

The other time he broke some smack heads jaw and knocked out some of his teeth.
 
Fortitude said:
Not really. If you’re criminal-minded and determined to enter a house and steal, you’ll just bring your own guns and be primed to use them in the first instance of heightened adrenaline.
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Burglars don't want to have to shoot someone as that's a murder/attempted murder charge, a lot more serious than a robbery charge needless to say. Homeowners having guns is definitely a deterrent.
 
These bitches don't know about Victor.

Victor Lindelof has been hailed for the part he played in preventing a robbery in his native Sweden.
In August, the United defender chased down a thief on a bike in the Swedish city of Vasteras after he had seen the man snatch a 90-year-old woman's handbag.
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[A bystander] snapped a photo of the thief that she showed to Lindelof, with the Swedish international centre-back subsequently running after him.
"He was incredible," she said. "He ran over footbridge and walls. It seemed that he had fantastic strength and form."
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Soon after police arrived at the scene, Lindelof returned with the thief in hand.
The defender played down his heroics, stating "I just did my civil duty. I think everyone needs to show respect for society and the people in it, and help other people when you can. I just wanted to help get the lady's bag back, because she could have personal mementos in it that aren't replaceable. It was nothing more than that. I just saw a chance to help."
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Swedish John Wick. No doubt plotting his moves right now.
 
In fairness to him and his wife, they were only in the hospital a few weeks ago with their kid so I imagine this is just about the last thing they needed.

Annoying for us as a club but happy for him to take the time he needs to sort things out in his personal life, which will probably be 1-2 weeks I imagine.

More personally, it must be fecking terrifying to be sat at home and have some mobsters come in randomly. I'd be scared shitless if it were me and I'm a fairly well-built bloke.
 
This is becoming a dangerous trend and must be serious organised crime. Footballers are targeted because everyone knows when they aren’t at home but it’s scary his family was inside yet they still broke in anyway.

They shouldn’t have to and it’s sad world we live in but if I was a footballer then I would pay for 24/7 security, they earn enough money.
 
Andrew7582 said:
Burglars don't want to have to shoot someone as that's a murder/attempted murder charge, a lot more serious than a robbery charge needless to say. Homeowners having guns is definitely a deterrent.
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I really don’t think so; risk-reward is going to determine whether it’s worth their while, and heightening the stakes is more likely to end up badly for the person who is not already committing the criminal act as they already have the mindset, and intent, to commit a rather heinous crime.

I think the notion of having a definitive means to protect yourself is more psychologically reassuring, but it’s an extremely high stakes game where escalation will most likely be fatal; I’ll back the criminal-minded in such scenarios as they’ll be more primed to escalate and not hesitate in doing so than a normal person experiencing all kinds of frightful emotions.

Of course, I’m not talking about those with training and comfort in using guns etc. just regular Joe’s who are all of a sudden in one of the most severe fight or flight stages there is.
 
AussieDevil said:
You could probably spend 300k a year for a small team of 3 guards rotating to provide 24/7 surveillance. A weeks pay for some of these players seems worth it for life protection measures.
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3 guards on site 24/7? I think it's more than that. 1 concierge 24/7 costs around 150-160k a year.
 
I'll be willing to guard any house if the offer is good enough.

They'll need to contact me in advance though because I would have to steal back my katana and nunchucks from the ex wife.
Part of the divorce settlement.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
Private security for every player during games is the only option. It'll be a hefty bill but top clubs are good for it I'm sure. This will keep on happening.
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That isnt a good option, altho it sounds like it on paper. The security needs to be permanent.

Insanely rich footballers like Ronaldo actually do have full time security staff, but that bill would be too costly for someone on the "normal" spectrum of football income. You'd nee to employ several security members full time, s they cant all be there 24/7. That bill becomes substantial if you're doing it out of pocket.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9590625/footballers-security-panic-room-guard-dogs/

K9's are a great measure to ward off intruders combined with solid cctv coverage and a built in panic room thats probably already popular amon the rich and famous. Professionally trained K9's from a reputable breeder basically ensures that the dog is both extremely loyal, listens to command,and will protect its owners at all cost, usually at the cost of the intruders bones.

Eddie Hall made a Youtube video showing off his new dog, Wolf a while ago. Its a pretty reasonable display of whats its like to live with a murderteddybear:
 
Tom Cato said:
That isnt a good option, altho it sounds like it on paper. The security needs to be permanent.

Insanely rich footballers like Ronaldo actually do have full time security staff, but that bill would be too costly for someone on the "normal" spectrum of football income. You'd nee to employ several security members full time, s they cant all be there 24/7. That bill becomes substantial if you're doing it out of pocket.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9590625/footballers-security-panic-room-guard-dogs/

K9's are a great measure to ward off intruders combined with solid cctv coverage and a built in panic room thats probably already popular amon the rich and famous. Professionally trained K9's from a reputable breeder basically ensures that the dog is both extremely loyal, listens to command,and will protect its owners at all cost, usually at the cost of the intruders bones.

Eddie Hall made a Youtube video showing off his new dog, Wolf a while ago. Its a pretty reasonable display of whats its like to live with a murderteddybear:
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I just don’t know about this… if I want in your house and you have dogs, it’s going to get poisoned, drugged or darted etc. if it’s a professional job, a single dog isn’t going to be a deterrent, but it can certainly alert the owners to an intruder in the vicinity.

If you consider these criminals to have a modicum of intelligence, not least being professionals, they deal with dogs somewhat frequently, or certainly enough to know what to do with them.

I should imagine they do due diligence before they go and home invade, unless it’s some chancer scallies.
 
Fortitude said:
I just don’t know about this… if I want in your house and you have dogs, it’s going to get poisoned, drugged or darted etc. if it’s a professional job, a single dog isn’t going to be a deterrent, but it can certainly alert the owners to an intruder in the vicinity.

If you consider these criminals to have a modicum of intelligence, not least being professionals, they deal with dogs somewhat frequently, or certainly enough to know what to do with them.

I should imagine they do due diligence before they go and home invade, unless it’s some chancer scallies.
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If a criminal is doing due diligence they're going to look for the easiest target. If they see for example, as was widely reported, that Rio Ferdinand has two trained protection dogs and then look through Lindelof's social media and see that he appears to have no dogs at all (I'm assuming here) then Lindelof will be the easier target and become the mark.

Proper protection dogs are trained to not take anything from strangers so poisoning them is going to be more difficult. They're also trained to bite and can snap human bones in their jaws so attempting to disable the dog is a high risk enterprise best avoided if possible.

I think some of these criminal gangs hitting footballer's homes are of the more serious calibre and could be very dangerous. That said, they're not criminal masterminds that'll be abseiling down walls and firing poison darts at dogs like the Milk Tray man gone bad.

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Not many people are going to want to have a go at overcoming such an obstacle.
 
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freeurmind said:
Why are there so many thugs in the UK?
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No deterrent. Slap on wrist for first half dozen offences 3 monhs jail if gets to CPS and there is a jaiol space. Released after 5 weeks, and the jail is low key class c, so basically a 3 star hotel.
 
Eurotrash said:
Don't know, but security during a game is a good start and should not break the bank.

BTW announcing your whereabouts on Instagram doesn't help.
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Yep - the sort of thing your mum always warned about, but you sort of never believed it was really an issue.
But the difference is when we announce it on socials, we might have 200 people seeing it, these players have 2million or more!
 
The thing that is always shocking is that you assume players at a club like United live in state of the art security high places. Yet these guys still manage to get in.

Maybe they just need to pay a couple of km to have their place physically guarded on top? Or have mates house sit?
 
Fortitude said:
I really don’t think so; risk-reward is going to determine whether it’s worth their while, and heightening the stakes is more likely to end up badly for the person who is not already committing the criminal act as they already have the mindset, and intent, to commit a rather heinous crime.

I think the notion of having a definitive means to protect yourself is more psychologically reassuring, but it’s an extremely high stakes game where escalation will most likely be fatal; I’ll back the criminal-minded in such scenarios as they’ll be more primed to escalate and not hesitate in doing so than a normal person experiencing all kinds of frightful emotions.

Of course, I’m not talking about those with training and comfort in using guns etc. just regular Joe’s who are all of a sudden in one of the most severe fight or flight stages there is.
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In most cases the burglar won't know whether or not the residents have training in using guns, or what their psychological state is, all he will know is that the residents have the right to shoot to kill the intruder in self defence. So the burglar won't reliably know what the risk-reward is on his side when he is considering breaking into that property. If the burglar did know that the residents own guns and are trained in using guns, he probably wouldn't think about trying to rob the place in the first place anyway. The possibility of being shot, or ending up on a murder or attempted murder charge is definitely a deterrent, most burglars just want to get in, take the stuff and get out with a minimum of fuss.
 
Andrew7582 said:
In most cases the burglar won't know whether or not the residents have training in using guns, or what their psychological state is, all he will know is that the residents have the right to shoot to kill the intruder in self defence. So the burglar won't reliably know what the risk-reward is on his side when he is considering breaking into that property. If the burglar did know that the residents own guns and are trained in using guns, he probably wouldn't think about trying to rob the place in the first place anyway. The possibility of being shot, or ending up on a murder or attempted murder charge is definitely a deterrent, most burglars just want to get in, take the stuff and get out with a minimum of fuss.
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Agreed. There’s a big difference in sentencing if you commit an offence like burglary with a weapon or any indictable offence with a firearm. More again if it is loaded.
 
Eli Zee said:
Gonna have to hire private security, move into a private gated community with security, or move into a condominium to stop this.. I'm sure there's other solutions as well.
Either way, If I'm making 200k+ a week, I'm easily doing one of these things to keep my family and belongings safe.
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Since this kind of stuff is very well documented with our own players, I wouldn't be against the club hiring private security and more. Whenever I read stories like that repeating time and time again, I just want to see more of those feckers caught by any means and serving jail time for a while.
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
If a criminal is doing due diligence they're going to look for the easiest target. If they see for example, as was widely reported, that Rio Ferdinand has two trained protection dogs and then look through Lindelof's social media and see that he appears to have no dogs at all (I'm assuming here) then Lindelof will be the easier target and become the mark.

Proper protection dogs are trained to not take anything from strangers so poisoning them is going to be more difficult. They're also trained to bite and can snap human bones in their jaws so attempting to disable the dog is a high risk enterprise best avoided if possible.

I think some of these criminal gangs hitting footballer's homes are of the more serious calibre and could be very dangerous. That said, they're not criminal masterminds that'll be abseiling down walls and firing poison darts at dogs like the Milk Tray man gone bad.

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Not many people are going to want to have a go at overcoming such an obstacle.
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If opportunists, sure on the bolded; if professional, they know their mark and are probably coming for specific things. If Lindelof’s wife is constantly showing their wares on social media and a good portion of the outlay of their home, it’s an easy job in the making given they know when her husband is not home plus being aware, at least partially, of their security set up - no dogs etc.

I’m not some career criminal thief, but I’m certain this is part and parcel of potential encounters (dogs, trained or not), and if they’re on a potential £million+ raid, those dogs are ‘just’ a basic obstacle to deal with as swiftly as possible, be that by knocking/drugging the dog, harming it, or downright killing them. As you’ve said, if they’re of a higher calibre, dogs, by themselves, are likely to be hurt or immobilised rather than do any damage. As an early warning system to alert security, I’d think they’re great, but not as an outright deterrent; those dogs are just collateral if they’re in the way of a 7-figure haul.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Since this kind of stuff is very well documented with our own players, I wouldn't be against the club hiring private security and more. Whenever I read stories like that repeating time and time again, I just want to see more of those feckers caught and serving jail time for a while.
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And the worrying part is that we are seeing this stuff occur more and more often.
 
Andrew7582 said:
In most cases the burglar won't know whether or not the residents have training in using guns, or what their psychological state is, all he will know is that the residents have the right to shoot to kill the intruder in self defence. So the burglar won't reliably know what the risk-reward is on his side when he is considering breaking into that property. If the burglar did know that the residents own guns and are trained in using guns, he probably wouldn't think about trying to rob the place in the first place anyway. The possibility of being shot, or ending up on a murder or attempted murder charge is definitely a deterrent, most burglars just want to get in, take the stuff and get out with a minimum of fuss.
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You’re talking about a generic thief with fair-minded rationale going on a generic robbing job, I think what you’re saying is then rational. I’m talking about thieves who are going into the house and doing whatever they need to to acquire the stuff they want, perhaps already primed and ready for any escalation that may arise. I’m sure it works out well for some people who dispatch home intruders with their gun and the training they’ve been given, but I bet it goes horribly, horribly wrong for others who were fatally wounded by a thief/thieves who was/were ready for such a scenario, and perhaps even primed for it, given he‘s/ they’re already high on adrenaline, committing a home invasion.

I won’t pretend if I had a gun in that scenario with someone inside my house that I wouldn’t try to be a hero, but at the same time, I’d like to think I’d be aware that the situation has escalated to a kill or be killed scenario, and that it may well be multiple assailants with guns if they’ve got it in mind to raid my home with no caution to the wind.

I think in America it’s more of a pick your poison scenario and more of a no-brainer to be armed than not given the triviality of guns, but it’s an absolutely terrible situation that could very well cost you your life for trying to be, well, not necessarily a hero, but meeting home invasion with due diligence.
 
Fortitude said:
Not really. If you’re criminal-minded and determined to enter a house and steal, you’ll just bring your own guns and be primed to use them in the first instance of heightened adrenaline.

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The gist in this thread is that security teams would sort the problem, but that just becomes a game of cat and mouse with more detailed planning going into the robbery.

If you’re not dealing with opportunists, but rather professional outfits, not much is going to deter them other than the risk not being worth the reward; that’s the danger of being rich and in the public eye, more so for anyone whose schedule can be checked in an instant.

There are obviously ways to make things extremely difficult for these types, but that involves not living a normal life, which is anything but what most people who are not detached from reality want to do. That can make you a different kind of prisoner, which must be ruinous in itself if you want to be ‘normal’, grounded and ’free’.

From the sounds of it, Lindelof’s wife was very happy and comfortable living her life in that house given her social media profile. I doubt that’ll remain after such a violation, unfortunately. Be interesting to see if they move house, or literally leave the country after this.
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It is possible that some people would take up another line of work if the risk became too much. Right now it doesn't sound that risky a job.
Fortitude said:
I think in America it’s more of a pick your poison scenario and more of a no-brainer to be armed than not given the triviality of guns, but it’s an absolutely terrible situation that could very well cost you your life for trying to be, well, not necessarily a hero, but meeting home invasion with due diligence.
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In the US, I don't know that there are lots of break-ins when people are obviously in the house (can't say I've studied this that much, so I may be completely wrong). If someone is there -- they might be armed, they might call 911, they might fight back. If you're a woman with a small child, option #3 probably isn't likely -- but neither is option #1 in the UK, and apparently option #2 wasn't that successful either.
However, here's an anecdote. I live outside DC. Years ago, there was the 'crossbow rapist' breaking into houses at night when people were obviously at home. They'd wake up to find a man standing in their bedroom pointing a crossbow at them. Turns out he worked for the company who installed their security system. Took a while to figure out what was going on. Eeeks!
 
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If anyone in the Manchester area knows who did it - please expose the thieves and let them face some street justice.
 
I'd have said it was Thomas Frank if it wasn't during the game.

Seriously though, I hope his wife and kids are doing well. These things can cause a lot of trauma.
 
Selfishly hoped he would take the Cancelo route but completely his decision to spend time with his family.
 
Matriac said:
Maja Nilsson Lindelöf posted on instagram that they had a break-in during the Brentford game. Her and the kids were home, but she managed to get them into a room they could lock before the burglars made it into the house. Writes that "they" are now in Sweden spending time with their families. Unclear at this point if this includes Victor or not. (If he asks for it the club will give him time for sure, but Victor and Maja might decide that he doesn't need to be away from matches since they feel safe with family.) Edit: As per tweets posted below, Victor is in Sweden with his family.

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This sort of thing happens more and more often to footballers, targeting rich people when they expect nobody to be at home. Is there any reasonable way to combat this other than having every footballer have on-site private security at the time of matches/travels?
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I would guess this happens even more to ordinary people, it's just not picked up by the media.
 
Horrible. It really shouldn’t come to this but if I was as rich as these PL players are, I’d have full time security with dogs at my front gates.
 
AussieDevil said:
You could probably spend 300k a year for a small team of 3 guards rotating to provide 24/7 surveillance. A weeks pay for some of these players seems worth it for life protection measures.
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This is probably good for a 1 week one-off arrangement. Make it 365x7x24, you will need more beef. Assuming it excludes security details (Prince Harry option), just take the house option, excluding one-off renovation and security equipment. You will need 2x staff on day time to cover break, 3-4 staff at night. To cover for holiday and weekend, looking at 8 staff minimum. Call it 1m p.a., or ONLY 20K a week, pocket change really.
 
Surely there must be some luxurious gated community they can all live in? If not, this has to be some financial incentive for the club to develop or Nev and his mate, Peter Lim to develop?
 
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