Yes & No United will win odd league title but nobody will win three back to back titles as United did multiple times under Sir Alex. Too many English clubs have sugar daddy owners.
BBC Sports Desk: Can Man Utd be restored to its former glory?
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Hmmm... Maybe we just need Peter Kenyon to tell us how we can do it.
it’s not impossible but there is no simple fix. back in the 90’s and 2000’s we realised that a lot of money would be made from televising what goes on at the gloryhole. we were the first club to realise that the battle for supremacy would be fought not only on the pitch, but by the gloryhole too. we didn’t cut corners. our hole was one to be proud of. people referred to it as “the theatre of dreams.” players wanted to be in it, rival fans hated how luscious ours was.
“it’s only ‘cause fergie pays them off to stay later at the gloryhole so they can finish before the allotted time.” “the refs always give them favourable calls. he didn’t even wipe the hole down before he began but the ref didn’t make him take the balls back to where they should have been taken from.”
then the glazers came and they allowed our gloryhole to turn to shit. paint peeling off the walls, the roof leaking. players and rivals alike don’t want to be anywhere near our gloryhole any more. we have to pay way over the odds to get people to even have a sniff of it. you used to turn up at old trafford and beckham “goldenballs, to those that knew of his antics,” would be waiting to deliver you a whipped ecstasy. nowadays it’s just martial ambling around looking disinterested and rashford standing the wrong side of the fecking wall.
we basically need to polyfilla the wall and start afresh.
If I may squeeze a bit more out of this anal-ogy.
It's Woody that ironically started pimping it out like it was some trash ho. Whereas SAF used to treat it like the higher-end product it was and thus fostered mystique and reverence amongst the clientele. It was a hole that not just any man could cast a glance at. While you were inside, you could pretend you were royalty. When it was done with you, you were cast aside for peanuts.
The average fan will really never understand just how Woodward was a two-bit pimp thinking he'd made the big time and that he was a first-rate hustler yet doomed to never realize he was getting played time and again.
Are they ? I mean the current Real Madrid isn't really as strong as the one that won the 3 CLs. They're winning the league because Barca are even worse.
They are still a top team, they reached UCL semis the last season knocking out Liverpool.
A bit more than one decade ago they didn't pass round of 16 for 5 years straight.
For Real Madrid or Bayern standards it's never enough to just reach CL semis, they want to win ir, but for terrenal big clubs standards they are doing well.
Just because they didn't win the UCL it doesn't mean they aren't top or experiencing a crisis, only insane Madrid fans at Bernabéu would say that.
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It depends what they mean by former glory. If it means winning the title every other year, sometimes two or three times in a row, I doubt it. The competition is way tougher today than it was 10+ years ago. Sir Alex's United usually only had one competitor each season. Now there are three. Soon to be four when Newcastle's oil money pays off. I think we can build an elite team again, but not dominate like we used to.
The Glazers make no real difference. Better owners would improve us, but they wouldn't keep us at the top every season. We'd need oil money to compete on a level playing field. Owners that only care about winning and are okay with putting hundreds of millions into the club to improve it.
The Glazers make no real difference. Better owners would improve us, but they wouldn't keep us at the top every season. We'd need oil money to compete on a level playing field. Owners that only care about winning and are okay with putting hundreds of millions into the club to improve it.
I don't want to hear Peter Kenyons opinion here. He left the club for f*ckin' Chelsea. What a rat. Also, talking about Glazers and Woodward makes me nauseated. The answer to your question is simple; Yes, we can get back to our former best. If we get rid of all the toxic mofos exploiting our beloved club.
Glazers out, Woodward out, Kenyon F off.
Glazers out, Woodward out, Kenyon F off.
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They have sports desk now?
Is right. With the right man at the helm I could see us win the league every now and again, even the Champions League again with a bit luck, but for us to dominate like we did isn't a realistic expectation in this day and age. Football has changed so much for a sporting dynasty to be formed, even with money.
I just feel that Glazer and Ed only act when they need to e.g. missing top 4. Once we miss top 4, they will sack the manager and fund transfer. Repeat and rinse, year in and year out. We need an up and coming coach who implement modern football and stick to him for 5 years with a DOF to work with. Those chaps at Ajax would be the go to guys. Ajax is what a successful club looks like. Good youth setup that supply first team with talent.
United is like a 'super tanker' that has strayed off course.
It lost its Captain and second officer all at once and unable to adjust its ballast, continued to attempt a number of different alterations to its course determined by a succession of new captains who thought they can get back on course, although the vessel was losing power and clearly decelerating.
To-date the owners have been happy to stay afloat and salvage what they can whilst still just about maintaining its seaworthiness but are now recognizing that the vessel has lots of problem, above and below the water-line that means its become almost a 'Marie Celeste-like' enterprise, sailing under a flag of convenience.
The latest point in the sager is that a German Salvage company has been commissioned to get a line aboard and bring the vessel back for repairs and a long over due make-over.
Further reports are awaited!
It lost its Captain and second officer all at once and unable to adjust its ballast, continued to attempt a number of different alterations to its course determined by a succession of new captains who thought they can get back on course, although the vessel was losing power and clearly decelerating.
To-date the owners have been happy to stay afloat and salvage what they can whilst still just about maintaining its seaworthiness but are now recognizing that the vessel has lots of problem, above and below the water-line that means its become almost a 'Marie Celeste-like' enterprise, sailing under a flag of convenience.
The latest point in the sager is that a German Salvage company has been commissioned to get a line aboard and bring the vessel back for repairs and a long over due make-over.
Further reports are awaited!
Surely if we move away from our current business model to football model of operating.
Not under this current ownership. Our best hope was the Arabs now with them st Newcastle, we can get used to this shower of shit for another 20 years.
Success in any sport has to be based on a number of building blocks.
These include:
Ambition.
The continual drive for sporting excellence.
Structure.
The very best people, at all levels.
High performance processes.
Resources, the best technology and facilities.
These include:
Ambition.
The continual drive for sporting excellence.
Structure.
The very best people, at all levels.
High performance processes.
Resources, the best technology and facilities.
Well man, they have 10 more champions league then us and more then 30 national titles. I don’t know your standards but even if they are not the best team right now, they are still one of the strongest and will buy at least one of the best strikers on the planet. Among the players, there is no strongest appeal as well sadly.
Would like to have a crisis like they have at United !
Starting to give up on hope of this happening anytime soon. This current crop of players, management and leadership makes me sick to the stomach.
Arrogant, selfish, lazy and mentally weak are the only adjectives that come to mind when I think of Manchester United these days.
Arrogant, selfish, lazy and mentally weak are the only adjectives that come to mind when I think of Manchester United these days.
Not when there are two states competing in the league. United former glory is either winning the title every year or losing by a few points. That is unmanageable with two states competing with infinite money.
We’ve got no one at the club with a clear vision to get us back there. So the answer is No. The Glazers have ruined our club and with them here I can’t see it happening….!
1 Title every 3/4 years would be good enough for me.
At this point it would be amazing. We'll be lucky to even be in a title race every four years the way we're going.
Forget titles but I would love to have a likeable team again. This is one of the least likeable bunch of players we have ever had. The one guy who I looked forward to watching is possibly done because he is a rapist
We've been struggling with dead wood for years and now even the green stuff is dead!
Seems to be a typo in this post. I assume you mean 1 title every 34 years?
Not in my lifetime.
Liverpool have proved that with good recruitment you can compete.
Recruiting good players however, is beyond the grasp of this club full of useless scouts and management team.
Well considering those players are happy joining City and Newcastle who have had nothing but failure prior to being bought I would imagine so. It always depends partly on the footballing project, wages and history of the club.
Ed Woodward has been, literally, like a curse upon Man Utd…
His era began with Moyes and has ended with the Greenwood controversy, and in between that is just 8 / 9 years of comically bad decisions one after another that you’d struggle to make if you wanted Utd to succeed.
Recovering from Woodward would take a major reset from the owners - which I doubt will happen.
I think the reality is basically that until the Glazers feck off out of Utd it’ll remain a joke club tbh.
His era began with Moyes and has ended with the Greenwood controversy, and in between that is just 8 / 9 years of comically bad decisions one after another that you’d struggle to make if you wanted Utd to succeed.
Recovering from Woodward would take a major reset from the owners - which I doubt will happen.
I think the reality is basically that until the Glazers feck off out of Utd it’ll remain a joke club tbh.
Not under the Glazers.
The kind of spending pattern that we’ll need to leap ahead of City, especially, but also Chelsea is not in the Glazer business model, I don’t think.
The main problem is that you have to improve your team rapidly to catch up. If you spread it over several years you never quite make it. I don’t like it and it really shouldn’t be the rule but in practice you have to outspend your rivals by a significant margin across two or three windows. Then you can go back to a more measured tweak and hone policy. We’ll never do this under the glazers.
A good manager can come in and win us a league or a trophy or two but if we want to dominate it will take more than that.
The kind of spending pattern that we’ll need to leap ahead of City, especially, but also Chelsea is not in the Glazer business model, I don’t think.
The main problem is that you have to improve your team rapidly to catch up. If you spread it over several years you never quite make it. I don’t like it and it really shouldn’t be the rule but in practice you have to outspend your rivals by a significant margin across two or three windows. Then you can go back to a more measured tweak and hone policy. We’ll never do this under the glazers.
A good manager can come in and win us a league or a trophy or two but if we want to dominate it will take more than that.
The owners are the problem. Nothing will change until they are gone.
It’s not happening in the short term, we’re nowhere near. Woodward and Ole left behind a big mess and the owners are as greedy and incompetent as ever.
Blaming The Glazers seems to be one thing a lot of fans agree. But it's a lot more complicated than that. They have spent a lot of money. Most of it on the wrong players.
I think Woodward has to take the blame. Now Arnold.
Juve signs Zakaria for 4 million. City signs Alvarez for 14 million. Martial has gone on loan, Amad has gone on loan and Greenwood is in the calaboose. We have two geriatrics up front.
I think Woodward has to take the blame. Now Arnold.
Juve signs Zakaria for 4 million. City signs Alvarez for 14 million. Martial has gone on loan, Amad has gone on loan and Greenwood is in the calaboose. We have two geriatrics up front.
Not in the next 3 years.