There is not much great to see about Chong. His miss was worse than any good he did, which was basic give and take runs and some first touch without pressure. Standard football for any pro that isn't a donkey.
Angel Gomes - Will he stay or will he go? | Contract Expired 30th June and he's left the club
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There is not much great to see about Chong. His miss was worse than any good he did, which was basic give and take runs and some first touch without pressure. Standard football for any pro that isn't a donkey.
When young players first get a chance in the first team, its usually ten minutes here and ten minutes there, occasional longer spells. You don't expect them to be fantastic immediately, but you hope they will show something to excite you, Rashford's speed on the half turn, Beckham's crosses, Ronaldo's step overs, etc. you may only see it once or twice in those early days, but its there and you know they can do it.... can't say I've seen anything like that from Angel.
I already had after reading your comment. My estimation of Chong actually went down after watched by it.
First time I'm hearing a teammate stealing the shine in another player's highlights. Chong of all people
No, not sounding brilliant, agreed. Still an interesting grey area.
Glad we've got Ole and not you as manager then
Bit understated if anything mate.
You're impressed with someone making basic runs and missing an open goal from 3 yards. I see you're from the Joe Kinnear school of thought...Glad we've got Ole and not you as manager then
Basic runs
There's a reason Chong has more first team appearances than Gomes, just remind yourself of that.
Yes, basic runs. It's, frankly, incredible that you're impressed with it. There's also a reason why no one is agreeing with you. Just think about that.Basic runs
There's a reason Chong has more first team appearances than Gomes, just remind yourself of that.
And there's a reason he looked very bad in basically every single one of them. He's not very good.Basic runs
There's a reason Chong has more first team appearances than Gomes, just remind yourself of that.
Basic runs
There's a reason Chong has more first team appearances than Gomes, just remind yourself of that.
Yes there is, he's more physically developed, that's it.
Chong is very weak physically though
Juninho was a success in PL, I'd still give gomes a chance.
Not compared to Gomes he isn't.
Yes, but he was able to ride off tackles and had pretty quick feet.
I am sure Angel may land up to be a decent player at some point -- he has the skills. But compare his approach to United and that of Mason? Quiet, relatively easy contract negotiations. There is an element of trust between Mason and Ole/company. Brenden too.
We just dont need future 'academy stars' to throw their toys out of their prams like Angel when negotiating with United going forward. The example that Angel sets here if he is getting a reported £25-30k/week for so few starts... can you imagine what Hannibel's parents/agent will be thinking?
And I know who I rather have staying at the club between the two of them.
Gomes has been quiet in negotiations.
Other than the coaching staff at United you mean yeah??
Gomes is 19,
Surely he should be physically developed now, I would imagine the coaching staff have him on the weights constantly.
Zola was only 5'6" as well. Any excuse to post this but it's a great example of a small guy not being bullied by bigger players...
Balance, technique and a brain will almost always win over height, weight and athleticism in football.
That's one of the reasons it's the greatest sport, you can be built like Leo Messi or Maradona and still be in the conversation for best ever.
Always a excellent argument. Particularly when it's a strawman. But then, you seem to think players are physically developed at 19, so...
Chelsea and Barca sniffing around, and a reported 25kpw offer on the table, looks as though the footballing world rates him pretty highly.
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Christ, this nonsense again.
Where has Gomes 'thrown his toys out of the pram'? The negotiations have been happening entirely behind closed doors, entirely respectfully. If Gomes is delaying on signing a new contract either over money or assurances over Ole's plans for him and playing time, that is entirely his right as a human being. There is nothing disrespectful about assessing your employment options. But we don't even know that this is happening as none of the actual parties has discussed it at all. It is entirely guesswork.
You need to learn the difference between so-called 'journalists' on social media, and reality.
At this moment the only reason I want him to re sign is that I don’t want him to end up at Chelsea.
You have to question why he didn’t get more game time Pre Bruno, it was an obvious hole in the squad. I doubt the contract talk had anything To do with it as OGS persisted with Lingard and Pereira.
You have to question why he didn’t get more game time Pre Bruno, it was an obvious hole in the squad. I doubt the contract talk had anything To do with it as OGS persisted with Lingard and Pereira.
I wouldn't waste too much time on this discussion if I were you. How anyone could rate Chong above Gomes in terms of ability, talent/ potential (especially if based on that video), I could never understand.
Basic runs
There's a reason Chong has more first team appearances than Gomes, just remind yourself of that.
The reason is because Chong is a winger, where there is less to worry about, just let him run down the wing. Gomes is a 10 which is a very difficult position to break into at this level.
Can you please give an example of him throwing his toys off of his pram? Lad has been doing interviews for the club, training and doing exactly what he should be doing, whilst his agent has been negotiating a new contract for him. So where did I miss his having a toy throwing session?
really doubt he'll ever make it, hopefully they plan on loaning him out
That's not how a player physically develops in a useful way for football, it is a part of things, but not at all the key part of his development. He's also still growing, very unlikely a player is fully physically developed at 19, different players develop at different times physically.
He is two weeks from running out his contract and walking away for nothing. Brendon, Mason didn't play this game. Basically he doesn't trust the club to manage his career and wants to get the bucks before he has even proven himself.
How old was Scholes when he was getting drastically more minutes than Gomes has? I’ll go check. if Gomes reaches half his quality in time, he’ll be a good aquisition to the seniors. If not, there’s not much to fuss about.
I have no idea how good Gomes will become, and I have no idea how reasonable he or Ole has been in this process so far. The only reason I follow the Angel-thread more than most other youth threads, is that the few times I’ve watched him, I’ve really liked his playing style and his potential, the best parts multiplied by my own imagination. It would be great fun for me if it came through. The odds are always against. Only a percentage of teenage prodigys become significant players at their original clubs, particularly at the big clubs.
It’s great fun to hope, though (and great anguish).
So no example of throwing his toys out of the pram then... Not everyone will sign a new contract and will explore other options, but it’s not throwing ones toys out of the pram it’s doing what’s best for yourself. Hes took his time with both of his United contracts and we’ve had the same crap linking him to other teams, yet he’s still here.
Some people like you interpret "throwing toys out of the pram" as an outward display, such as saying things on twitter or via interviews. Other people also interpret the same sentence as including a lack of loyalty, which is what the other poster is alluding to or perhaps more subtle things like saying things through agents.
Who’s Brendon? Serious question...
Some would say it’s an advantage to be built like Messi/Maradona/Zola in this sport! I completely agree with your point that it’s the greatest sport because it takes more than physical strength or stature to play the game.
Back to Gomes, I hope that he succeeds here and wish him luck, but he does need to prove himself quickly!
Suspect he meant Brandon
Such as?
And oooh some people like you? How very judgemental.
Angel has always stated he loves the club and wants to make it here. He constantly promoting the club, zero issues shown with his attitude. Yet somehow he’s disloyal to the club? If he's yet to sign a contract, it’ll be because it’s not in his best interests to do so, not because he’s being petulant.
I wasn't being judgemental whatsoever. I was simply trying to say people think differently. You think in one way and the other guy thinks in another way. It is two sides of the same coin. I don't know why you've taken that to mean I think your opinion is wrong or any less valid??.....
I’d say you assumed I don’t see others perspectives or how subtle people can throw their toys around. If someone forms an opinion on naff all, I’ll try find out what they base their opinion on.
I’m asking for examples, it’s because I’ve seen nothing of concern with regard to Angel. He and his agent will decide what’s best for him, lad holds zero issues with United. If he leaves it’ll be to further his career, not out of spite.
I base my opinion on how he’s conducted himself throughout his time at United, not a some shite on this thread where people state how he’s been unprofessional and difficult, all based on nothing other than some random posts.
By 19 generally a human is developed physically, they have reached adulthood by that point.
But I digress.
I wonder if his agent had anything to do with the Barca links last year!? I reckon so, the old classic agent move.
The simple fact is we don't know how good he could become, but right now he's not playing for the first team for whatever reason, could be aptitude, could be talent, could be physicality, quite clear that something is holding him back.