The team are slowly adapting to his tactics. The players now know he isn't frightened to drop/sub them and bring in new blood. Winning will only speed up this process of doing it the RR way. I can't see any players in or out this window, so it's sink or swim with what we have.
All aboard the Rangnick Train
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Yes, agree, but I hope we don't regret not bringing in another midfielder. Injury to McTominay or Fred now and we are fecked.
I’ll take knee jerk positivity all day long over misery, whinging and hate posting. This is supposed to be fun!
I have a funny feeling the board have already a verbal agreement with our next manager and are keeping funds for him to have in the summer. That's why no one has been allowed to leave either. It might change this last week, but I would be really surprised if we did bring in or move on players
No doubt about it. The glazers don’t want to accept any kind of losses. It’s known Sevilla will cover half of Martial wages which is reasonable considering he’s on over 200k and not worth that amount. The Glazers are too arrogant and cheap to let players go at a loss. I say cheap because I don’t think they can afford to write off players, our transfer budget will be very limited thanks to them.
We don’t really know this. The only reported target is Amadou Haidara. One report says we won’t sanction his signing and a more reputable source says his release clause isn’t active until summer and RB Leipzig won’t sell him during January.
That's what I'm afraid of also. But if we don't get top four the new manager is going to have trouble keeping players and bringing top players in.
Funny you say this, as it's also been reported that Ragnick has been reluctant to sign any player unless he suits not just his short-term needs but also that of the next manager. I think we won't really know what's going on behind the scenes until the end of the season.
The one thing I like is that he’s clearly adapting to his players and not being absolute in his tactics (basically what cost Ole — persisting with one system + the same players without any fear of rotation).
There was a Sportbild article (however reliable no idea) that they’ve vetoed a central midfielder until we can sell/shift players + that he wants Ten Hag as his replacement whilst the board is heavier on Pochettino. Someone posted the tweets in the thread earlier
Even if we shifted players, some are not in agreement with Rangnick choices. Think they are holding off for certain players that we have no chance of getting.
Haaland and Rice are not coming here, and if we don't get top 4, there will be some players waning to move on. Zakaria is a safe bet at 5 million, but seemingly the hierarchy don't agree.
There have been steady improvements recently. We’re quietly improving in areas of our play which is just nice to see at this point. For once we actually look like we have a plan and know what we’re doing. Attacking phase improvements will come.
I think Rangnick had to push past a lot of resistance and doubt from the squad but he’s done well to ride that out.
I think Rangnick had to push past a lot of resistance and doubt from the squad but he’s done well to ride that out.
Because the 'hierarchy' have learnt absolutely nothing. No football structure, no coherent philopsophy from youth to first team, no recruitment process, no DoF. So waht do you expect. We bring in one of the most respected people in world football for building these things and dont want to listen to him. Stops Ed and his sucessor making all the decisions and wanting the glory (while seeminly being teflon regarding blame). FOllowing the blueprint of City, Chelsea, Bayern etc is how you build for long term success, and its not really that hard when you have the money. But no, lets just pin all our hopes on the next manager and then look surprised it doesnt work. Embarrassing and shambolic. And some of teh posters on here not much better,
I like him. He's no nonsense, straight talking, he clearly has a plan and knows what he wants. If everyone at United were to fully get behind him we'd soon be in a much better place.
Agree, and no matter who the manager is here, it will carry on the same. If we don't get top 4 it is down to the board, not Rangnick.
100% this. I know its a discussion forum and lots of views and perspectives, but all this on the Ralf train, not on the train etc, Ole rebuild or smoke screen. The problem is not one manager, not Ralf, not Ole, no Mou. No one or some players, whether AWB or Rashers msifiring or Ronnie acting like a hissy prima donna. The 100% problem is the absolute morons making the decisions at this club. Ralf could build a long term structure. It wont guarantee trophies (nothign will), it will guarantee we are competitive, ivnest in youth, have players with pride in the shirt. FOr me that is what I want, with trophies the icing on the cake and a good chance they come.
Have to agree, slowly but surely it looks like a structure is developing and I felt like yesterday although not a great performance you could see they were structured and trying to do things as well as working hard for each other and making offers.
As someone who has generally been on Bruno’s back as well for lacking many of these things I thought he played quite well yesterday getting more involved and offering himself in deeper positions with McT and Fred. Felt like that made a huge difference.
We still need to work on our ball retention but people are now making the right choices which is good to see. Hopefully this continues to build and improve then add in more sustained pressing and put a run of games together instead of our usual 2 steps forward 3 steps back.
Anyway on yesterdays performance it looks like certain things are beginning to stick and Ralf deserves credit for that.
How would everyone rate him after what 8 games? I would give him an 8 out of 10. Yeah he has made some mistakes - 4-2-2-2 wasnt working. Subbing Greenwood, Villa collapse, some horrendous football. But in context of the team he inherited what more could he have done. No players in form apart from De Gea. Playing absolutely sht and getting absolutely battered by teams. No confidence. In fighting. Covid. And on and on. Its was as bad as you could possibly get.
He has dropped big names - Rashford, Maguire etc. He has handled the in fighting as best as anyone can. He is handling the want out players - Martial seems a good example. He has changed the system and not too stubborn to see it needs to be changed. He speaks honestly and openly and very clearly knows the game. He has given youth a chance - Elanga. He has even brought back Jones from the dead. We are in fourth place. Seriously what else could he do in 8 games after the state we were in?
Thats not saying there isnt lots of work to do. We are nowhere near the level we want to be at. But for his short time here I say he's been really really good.
He has dropped big names - Rashford, Maguire etc. He has handled the in fighting as best as anyone can. He is handling the want out players - Martial seems a good example. He has changed the system and not too stubborn to see it needs to be changed. He speaks honestly and openly and very clearly knows the game. He has given youth a chance - Elanga. He has even brought back Jones from the dead. We are in fourth place. Seriously what else could he do in 8 games after the state we were in?
Thats not saying there isnt lots of work to do. We are nowhere near the level we want to be at. But for his short time here I say he's been really really good.
We recruited him as a advisor (consultant) once he is done with interim role, so hope our Board lsitens to him than making same mistakes again and again like they did over 9 years
Sevilla only wanted to pay half his wages and no loan fee. That's unacceptable.
There were others interested also and I really hope Sevilla will come back with offer.
Very much so. This is our worst ever start to the PL, after 22 games, and that's after picking up 21 points from the last 10 games.
Got a couple of weeks now with a few of the players who are not away. Should hopefully see a further step up when they get back in games vs boro and Burnley
On the train since the formation change.
I guess. I've been burned too many times trusting that the decision makers know what they are doing tbh. It just feels like something we'd do. Hope I'm wrong.
He's the first manager we've had in a while that has stood firm through a media shitstorm - that in itself deserves mention. He's clearly experienced with handling media image and it's paying off now. He's handled Ronaldo impeccably, made some good decisions and protected the players when they've needed to be protected. He doesn't seem to get distracted or influenced by the media conversation in on pitch decisions. The football the past few weeks has also been better - but it's still not where we want it to be - so we'll have to wait and see how it progresses. I'm hoping for a midfield addition late in the window - but I'm not holding my breath...
All in all I'd say 7/10 with room for improvement. If we keep improving throughout the season it's looking like a very successful experiment.
I think there was a lot of dressing room unrest he walked in to, timed with Covid outbreak in training, the January transfer window, and some players unprofessional behaviour to the changes he was trying to make (finishing training in the dark!) led to a bit of a perfect storm of challenges making his start difficult. Body language seems to be improving, unhappy leaks seem to be quieting, players like Bruno and Rashford are finding their form again, players left out in the cold like Dalot and Elanga are being brought in and the performances are going in the right direction. I also really like how he handles most situations, Pogba/Lingard, Martial leaving, Ronaldo's hissy fit etc he doesn't let things escalate too much. The start was really difficult but signs are promising that he's weathered that initial storm.
The others also have to present respectable offers.
Although the players have been given 5 days off which is a really crazy decision. He probably has his reasons.
Lingard will be gone for sure, be it on loan or otherwise. The rest, probably not, but there's usually a surprise or three.
Choo choo, where’s the ticket inspector?
Is the Rangnick Train the new Ole's at the wheel?
So after three seasons of watching a not so funny "on the buses" with Ole at the wheel, we are now boarding the train with Ralf at the "controls" (I'm sure I've heard him mention something about control before
).
I'm sure he can get us back on the right track. Obviously there are going to be delays for a variety of reasons. Dealing with "leaves" ...(those that don't want to be here) and snowflakes ...(those that don't like having to train properly for the first time in years or in the dark) on the line.
Sorting out any unruly passengers either by firm but polite request or get that vin diesel bloke he's got next to him, to chuck the feckers off the train.
Talking of "passengers" he might be carrying a few that haven't got a valid ticket even if they claim that they have special passes from someone high up( fringe players on fat contracts). Identifying and removing those that dont have a reason to be on-board will also help overcrowding issues (de-bloating the squad in the right areas).
So dealing with all this in his first few weeks in a new job while still trying to get us as close as possible to where we need to be (get top 4 while still trying to put into practise, his blueprint- the first 30 minutes against Palace and 2nd half against Brentford?) is going to require patience and nerves from everyone. It's gonna be a bumpy ride over the next few months
Even if he can't and most likely won't get us back "home" (The Fergie years) in his six months as a "driver", there's hope that once he moves upstairs into the control centre and... (am i being deluded here!?) manoeuvre some kind of power away from the twat controllers, who are currently ruining the network.
Maybe then he can help with the implementation of a proper structure that will reap long term benefits for all involved, starting with helping to identify the next driver to continue our journey.(fingers crossed, Arnold, Murtough and Fletcher will back him up).
In Ralf I trust, CHoo choo!!
).I'm sure he can get us back on the right track. Obviously there are going to be delays for a variety of reasons. Dealing with "leaves" ...(those that don't want to be here) and snowflakes ...(those that don't like having to train properly for the first time in years or in the dark
) on the line.Sorting out any unruly passengers either by firm but polite request or get that vin diesel bloke he's got next to him, to chuck the feckers off the train
.Talking of "passengers" he might be carrying a few that haven't got a valid ticket even if they claim that they have special passes from someone high up( fringe players on fat contracts). Identifying and removing those that dont have a reason to be on-board will also help overcrowding issues (de-bloating the squad in the right areas).
So dealing with all this in his first few weeks in a new job while still trying to get us as close as possible to where we need to be (get top 4 while still trying to put into practise, his blueprint- the first 30 minutes against Palace and 2nd half against Brentford?) is going to require patience and nerves from everyone. It's gonna be a bumpy ride over the next few months
Even if he can't and most likely won't get us back "home" (The Fergie years) in his six months as a "driver", there's hope that once he moves upstairs into the control centre and... (am i being deluded here!?) manoeuvre some kind of power away from the twat controllers, who are currently ruining the network.
Maybe then he can help with the implementation of a proper structure that will reap long term benefits for all involved, starting with helping to identify the next driver to continue our journey.(fingers crossed, Arnold, Murtough and Fletcher will back him up).
In Ralf I trust, CHoo choo!!
Thought Richard Arnold was supposed to be a big admirer of RR. Actually, that egotistic manic Woody is still a "consultant", isn't he?
Just wondering how we will do against a really good team. I still don’t think we are making enough chances and the forwards haven’t really been doing much different from under Ole. Elanga aside whose effort is really standing out. Good to see Rashford and Greenwood score a few but they were always going to at some point. I do think we look more organised. I definitely like Ralf. He knows what he’s at but it doesn’t really feel like he has that much power. We are a club limbo at the minute.
Derailing memes come to mind.
Anyways he's doing a reasonable job. I like what he is saying in general though about players having to want to play here. He's also made us look a lot more organized. I think we'll start to see more goals soon but i'm sure step 1 was making us better defensively.
The leaks over the last month & RR’s response to those events stood out and may have caused the squad to learn that this guy is not Ole. For what its worth , (& I had mentioned this 2-3 weeks back) over small phases of play we are looking better than Jose+Ole. E.g. throw ins, switching the ball effectively from one side to other and above all no chaos even if we lose the ball in our half. I think these are fantastic ingredients and definitely RR’s work.
I am still not completely on board and still want ETH (& not Ethereum ), but loving what I am seeing so far!
A bit more positivity maybe?If that's the reason for no signings, then that's actually a decent way to do it. If we're not signing anyone because we're saving money for the next manager, when our current manager is supposedly meant to have a say in our long-term planning then we haven't learnt anything.
Can I see your ticket mr. Spaghetti?
He still has few areas to address
1. Greenwood - needs coaching on his decision making and finding new methods to penetrate opposition box
2. Telles - must improve or get Shaw IN
3. Corners - needless to say
1. Greenwood - needs coaching on his decision making and finding new methods to penetrate opposition box
2. Telles - must improve or get Shaw IN
3. Corners - needless to say
Anyone who watches us will see that every week we are improving, but most importantly Rangnick is adapting to the strength and weaknesses of his players. In a way he is tailoring his gegenpress to suit what he has.
I’m very excited to see what this team does with a few more months of his coaching. Even more so I’d be very excited to see this team after a preseason and 1-2 signings. As things stand, with the trajectory of progress and if it continues, I actually think a new manager in the summer might ruin things.
I’m very excited to see what this team does with a few more months of his coaching. Even more so I’d be very excited to see this team after a preseason and 1-2 signings. As things stand, with the trajectory of progress and if it continues, I actually think a new manager in the summer might ruin things.