Shame if it isn't true. Would love to see Maguire get the boot.
90 Min: Ralf Rangnick's damning assessment of Maguire, Shaw & Wan-Bissaka
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Wan Bissaka is very good in one-on-one situations and not much else really. He's terrible against crosses and in the air and when he chases back he often looks pretty half hearted in his efforts. He's mediocre technically and in attack as well. Shaw is a bit more of a mystery as when he's on form he's very good. Mourinho definitely wasnt a fan and Van Gaal was pretty ambilalent about him. There have been criticisms of his weight and lifestyle throughout his career and, objectively, he does still carry a bit of weight. Seperately I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the leaks to the press are from Shaw. That being said he is still one of our best players.
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Last season he was the best leftback in the world, and probably better than any of those except perhaps Robertson will ever reach. The question is whether that was a fluke season or whether he can get back to that level?
Shaw at his best basically doesn't have a weakness other than his right foot and perhaps standing off a little too far and allowing players to get crosses into the box. He's ridiculously strong, fast, probably the best first touch in the team, great passer and often acts as our main playmaker and creative force. It's just up to him and the manager/coaches to get him up near that level consistently.
I would like this to be true but there is absolutely no chance it is. He isnt making an assessment like this so quickly.
He is very slow/lazy about getting back into position when he's been up the pitch
Is Ralf or the head coach in Man Utd still responsible for player recruitment? what are the responsibility of DOF or Head scout actually?
How bad is this Webster fellow at the rest of the game?
I agree. This forum has a hard on for Shaw.
None of them are particularly brilliant.
None of them are particularly brilliant.
You hope all our high profile players fail. Ahh yes that sounds like something we should hope for. How about hoping shaw returns to form as the best LB in the league. Maguire regains his confidence to become a solid presence again. AWB improves in a coaching system while regaining his ability to be a 1vs1 defensive weapon.
Ill never understand some fans attitude of wanting our players to fail just to be proved right.
Given how player power has been allowed to spiral out of control, none of those attending that alleged meeting would leak this information. It would be completely counter productive. It's likely he doesn't think half of them are up to the job, and it may well include all those players as well, but there is no way this story is based on anything substantive.
Maguire was fit on Saturday and was left on the bench.
I've always felt telles was better than shaw except for six months last season when shaw upped his game. However, shaw has again slipped back down the pecking order.
Currently telles > shaw.
Shaw being english gets a long rope, just like rashford who gets an even bigger rope.
Would be great if true but all of these players will be hard to get rid of because of their wages and transfer fees, especially Maguire. As mad as it sounds I think Maguire is untouchable at United for the next few years, unless we find a club willing to pay a decent fee.
As others have said, if any presentation was ever given then it will be to the owners or the board. There is no way journalists would ever find out about that. The articles is made up garbage and a waste of life reading.
Last year is a different season though, he was really good last year, even got in the team of the year and narrowly missed out on Euros team of the tournament but sort of irrelevant to his piss poor form this year.
I want it to be true.
"Hey you remember that 130m you splashed out on defence? Yeah it's a waste".
"Hey you remember that 130m you splashed out on defence? Yeah it's a waste".
In a team that finished 2nd in both competitions and he was one of the best players in each. He was good at Southampton / United before the leg break. I think he's probably one of those players that is great in a side with confidence but probably suffers a lot when the rest of the team is. Perhaps that's a question of mentality which fans and people at United might deem not good enough but I'd disagree.
Shaw is having his worst season at the club this year yet people want him in the starting XI no matter what. Telles was one of the better players at Villa and the immediate reaction was to call him shite and get Shaw back in, it's bizarre. 1 good season out of 7, no consistency, called out by 2 managers and can have his worst season at the club and people still insist he has to start every week. It's our insistence that players like Shaw and Maguire are world class and title winners in waiting when they've achieved nothing why we never go anywhere.
Don't know if true but you have to laugh when people who like AWB say let's hire Ten Haag. His technique is easily worse than Lukaku's. No modern system is carrying a fullback that has to ready his entire body to play a basic 5 yard pass.
I agree to an extent but like another poster said, 2/7 good seasons just isn't really good enough to the standard we aspire to be. We don't really have the luxury of being able to carry fair weather players anymore.
This is bullshit. Shaw is one of our best players.
There's barely any players in the whole squad who are suited to playing a high pressing game. So, if that's the route he's going down, there's a lot more than those 3 that need to go.
Rubbish source. But I agree with the assessment, all 3 are not United level. All 3 will never be in a back 4 that will win a major title.
Shaw is trash. His best performances in his career have come in a back 5 and he wasn't playing for United.
Shaw is trash. His best performances in his career have come in a back 5 and he wasn't playing for United.
Rangnick is an idiot, if this is true. Shaw is am amazing left back. Maguire has had a terrible season, but last season he was world class most of the time. Since day one I have had a bad feeling about Rangnick, and it is getting worse and worse almost every day. He is really bad news for out progress.
Been saying Maguire is a bum for the longest time
Shaw is useless, he constantly plays balls with his head down. Hitting no hope in hell crosses to centre backs without looking up. He’s overweight and whinges like a spoilt kid.
Rangnick is spot on with the 3 players mentioned and tbh hasn’t even scratched the surface yet. Theres a reason we win sweet FA and these 3 are part of the reason.
I thought we discouraged posting nonsense from irreputable sources?
Even IF such a meeting has taken place, how the hell would this chap know the intricacies of a private conversation between our senior management team?
Even IF such a meeting has taken place, how the hell would this chap know the intricacies of a private conversation between our senior management team?
Crazy article, even crazier comments by some of our fans whom seem to actively dislike like some of our players and almost want them to not succeed.
Hope to feck this is true!
Why would a private presentation come into the public domain?
Yes, because we were progressing really well before Ralf arrived at United.
Are professional players allowed to have a full season dip in form?
Last season Maguire was not world class. He was adequate. World class is someone who marshalls the defence. We kept coming back every other game to win and hardly kept any clean sheets.
Shaw as well post Euros has been crap. If the report is true then is a good start for a clear out.
Even at his best theres weaknesses to his game. He covers a fairly limited amount of space.
He wont make runs to the byline for overlaps, he wont often move beyond the opponents box as a rule and if he does its probably towards the goal for a shot. He can put in a good cross but they're usually from pretty deep positions. Its mentioned above that he isn't particularly good about getting back quickly and they're right. Maguire gets dragged out wide fairly routinely. If a winger goes past him, he fouls them, at least once a match and pretty much always gets away with it (he doesn't like chasing back). He tends to tire out and have pretty limited impact later in games.
Hes pretty good at defending once he's back to be fair to him but i can see why a high pressing, high energy coach wouldn't love him. Its pretty understandable really.
He's far from bad despite that, very good technique, passing, positioning. Maybe someone like Ten Hag would have a different view on him.
So are there any names being touted to replace them?
Shaw, Maguire and AWB didn't play on Saturday, what story can I make up ....
They should listen and pull the trigger. It doesn't need a top class manager to identify that.
At least Matic and Mata are good enough for new contracts 
Shaw has not been good since the summer. Same goes for Maguire. AWB is just trash.
AWB and Maguire get torn a new one on a daily basis in their threads as well. Shaw always needs a kick up his ass. It is not completely unbelievable.
AWB and Maguire get torn a new one on a daily basis in their threads as well. Shaw always needs a kick up his ass. It is not completely unbelievable.
Just watch Cucurella today and compare with Shaw. You will see what are we missing .
Kinda funny how everyone had Lindelof as the guy to upgrade in our back 4 under Ole and now he’s the only one good enough.
Has anyone?
Thoroughly disagree on Shaw, assuming this article is true which it probably isn't. He's far from perfect but I'd be surprised if Rangnick thinks there is nothing to work with there, the raw ability is present and he's improved massively over the past couple of seasons.
AWB ability wise I don't think will ever be the level we need. Maguire same, but his problem is mentality rather than ability.