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Manchester United 1:1 Chelsea

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    Since when is Fellaini a decent midfielder?
    He is next to useless at defending/tackling/passing.
    His positive quality is heading, in the offensive third of the field. That's it.
    Where are people getting this idea that Fellaini is some sort of midfield general?

    Against a lesser team Fellaini has proved to be next to useless in midfield. I remember him coming on for Herrara, in Herrara's first game for us (Swansea).
    We were 1-1 when Fellaini came on. He came on and we lost the midfield and the game. Most people on this board felt that subbing Herrara was a bad idea.

    Against the best team in the league, Fellaini in midfield would surely be a disaster?
    Am I missing something here?
     
    Agree with this. Just wish we would play with more confidence. I still maintain this is our biggest problem. It's the mentality that's letting us down.

    In our last game against WBA, for the first time in a long time, we played with confidence and no fear. We laid siege to their goal and pummeled them with shots until the whistle. Is that the sort of confidence you are referring to?
     
    You wouldn't hear Match going fans talking like this embarrassing.
     
    Currently I'm playing percentages so I've uploaded:

    DDG
    Rafael
    Jones
    Roco
    Shaw
    Blind
    Herera
    Fellaini
    Di Maria
    Mata
    RVP

    Mata is only there because I've just swapped him in for Falcao after the news on manutd.com. Hope that's a bit of reciprocal "kid"ology by LVG.

    My original team with RVP and Falcao as strikers was based on a diamond with Fellaini as a deep number 10 who pops up in the box. Now Falcao might be out god knows what the formation would be with my choice above? Maybe 4231 with Fellaini and Blind holding, or still the diamond but with either Mata or Fellaini as the second striker....
     
    The good news is that, unlike earlier in the season where fans could predict formation and line up very easily, now we can't. If the fans who follow this religiously can't predict then neither will Jose ( we hope!)
     
    Fellaini is the best option if you want to sure up midfield and he will give a different option for the team while suring up midfield more.

    That is utter bullshit, I cannot fathom why everyone would suddenly have Fellaini in midfield, he offers extremely little in defense, he's slow and not good at pressing the ball he's terrible in build up play. The only useful thing we can do with him is pump crosses in his general direction, and we're not going to have a chance to do so vs Chelsea as our Fullbacks will have to play deeper.

    Honestly I would rather start a rusty out of form Carrick than Fellaini. Hope to see a midfield of Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Mata and Valencia\Carrick
     
    The good news is that, unlike earlier in the season where fans could predict formation and line up very easily, now we can't. If the fans who follow this religiously can't predict then neither will Jose ( we hope!)

    Which in itself is an improvement on last year, where we were guaranteed 4-4-1-1 with Young and Valencia on the flanks, Carrick and Cleverley in the middle.

    I think LvG is still indecisive as to his best 11 so far, and to some extent the rest of this season will be a big experiment.
     
    I agree McNair over Smalling would be crazy

    But to be honest when was Smalling's last very good game??

    Smalling's a very good defender but not a very good footballer (by United and LVG standards) if you know what I mean.

    I agree about McNair but the fact that he has moved from midfield to defence and that he has shown that he's not out of depth in the PL is promising for us. It's a real shame we're out of the league cup and have no European football as these promising youngsters are not getting blooded as much as we'd like.
     
    Smalling's a very good defender but not a very good footballer (by United and LVG standards) if you know what I mean.

    I agree about McNair but the fact that he has moved from midfield to defence and that he has shown that he's not out of depth in the PL is promising for us. It's a real shame we're out of the league cup and have no European football as these promising youngsters are not getting blooded as much as we'd like.
    I know what you mean and that's why i'm thinking that i don't think Smalling will be at Old Trafford next season
     
    I dont see the reason for playing Mata. Mourinho sure knows the strengths and weaknesses of Mata and so will be looking to neutralize him. Chelsea do that and we play with 10 men.
    Id push Di maria centrally behind Falcao and Van Persie with Young wide-left with Valencia wide-right. Young can also shift in behind our 2 strikers and Di Maria out wide-left if we need or want to change our tactics. Young can do a job centrally as well.
    Valencia for his strength on the right. Young can cut in and allow Di Maria to shift left. Young can also do a defensive job on the left. We dont want Di Maria to track back on the left. We want him at the head of the diamond to give the chelsea defensive players something to think about.

    --- Rafael--- Jones --- Rojo --- Shaw ---

    ------------------- Blind ------------------

    --- Valencia ------------------ Young ---

    ----------------- Di Maria ---------------

    --------- Falcao ---- Van Persie --------
     
    I dont see the reason for playing Mata. Mourinho sure knows the strengths and weaknesses of Mata and so will be looking to neutralize him. Chelsea do that and we play with 10 men.
    Id push Di maria centrally behind Falcao and Van Persie with Young wide-left with Valencia wide-right. Young can also shift in behind our 2 strikers and Di Maria out wide-left if we need or want to change our tactics. Young can do a job centrally as well.
    Valencia for his strength on the right. Young can cut in and allow Di Maria to shift left. Young can also do a defensive job on the left. We dont want Di Maria to track back on the left. We want him at the head of the diamond to give the chelsea defensive players something to think about.

    --- Rafael--- Jones --- Rojo --- Shaw ---

    ------------------- Blind ------------------

    --- Valencia ------------------ Young ---

    ----------------- Di Maria ---------------

    --------- Falcao ---- Van Persie --------

    We've got several very good players who can play through the middle but Di Maria has been the only player for a few years now who's shown himself to be effective out wide.

    I don't think I could stomach having both Yound and Valencia playing together when we'd have the likes of Herera and Mata making way to accomodate the two of them...
     
    Costa starting and Falcao possibly out. Doom.
     
    I'm expecting us to be game raisers tbh, I think and hope people will be surprise :)..

    I really think our mistakes are coming from lack of concentration rather than our Defenders being shit, when we have so much possession they lose focus.
     
    To be honest, Falcao has not been that good for us.
    He's not had a good run in the team yet. He's a big game player and we really could've done with him tomorrow. Even hearing his name on the team sheet will worry the opposition so hopefully he makes it. Van Persie on his own would be worrying.
     
    Anybody else strangely confident? I just feel like at one stage over the next few weeks we are gonna explode into life. Tonight would be the perfect night to do so.. a good win tonight and we can feed off the confidence for the rest of the season.

    I'm saying we'll win 2-1 or 3-1.
     
    I may just have a short memory but I can't remember looking forward to a match less than this. I honestly think we're gonna get battered.

    Last time I felt like that it was vs Chelsea and Fletcher scored with a looping header and we won!
     
    Won't be surprised to see Fellaini start and play as a support striker today, with Falcao doubtful and Rooney suspended, that's a possible option. Infact I think he'll start and will score a goal today.
     
    I think lot depends of what José decides to do. I am pretty confident he can get a draw if he wants to.
     
    I would take a draw happily. That will be confidence boosting too. If Falcao and RvP both start, then I will be secretly hoping for a virctory
     
    The biggest game of the year. Not just "the year so far" but the year overall.

    If we win, our confidence will carry us for the next couple of months. Especially since we have a lot of people returning from injury (plus Rooney).

    If we lose, we may struggle for forth place.

    A draw will not change anything.
     
    for the game i went watch back the bayern vs inter game of the 2010 champions league final.

    both teams played very similar tactics and setup. the difference would have then be down to the quality of the team and players. the inter team had been built up for 3 years so they did gel up much better than bayern. for individual quality of players shown on the field, the 2010 inter team can arguably be better also. olic & altintop can't match the quality of eto'o & milito. the game was eventually determined by the incapability of demichelis. he was firstly overpowered by milito in the air and let him pass sneijder a hoof ball from the goalie, and then immediately let milito over-run in front of him down to his back to pick up a return pass from sneijder and chiped it into the goal. when the game restarted in the second half the whole inter team sat very deep to park their bus inside out their own box and punished bayern of their second goal with a counter. the game then finished.

    for this game i think mourinho will play in a similar way by employing the same setup and tactics. i bet he would start the game by putting out more muscle in their midfield so will start either ramires or mikel to partner matic. fabregas will either start at the bench and definitely will come in for the last 30 minutes, or to start the game by replacing oscar in his role. costa definitely will start. mourinho only used brazil as an excuse to rest him for 10 days to prepare for this game. apart from hazard in the left i bet he would start schurrle on the right to bully us with his muscle inside our box. ivanovic will also start on the right to after diMaria.

    back to ourself, we are being under a similar situation as bayern in 2010 and could be even worse. we have just gathered a new team for 5 games and are playing a very different way than we used to be. we could probably have more quaility in some individual players but our squad is still hanging in balance, and our team is yet to gel together. so playing the same tactics as bayern did in 2010 will not benefit us in any way. so i bet we will opt for a 442 diamond setup to enhance our midfield. i will deploy diMaria into the no 10 role. he can do the play-making in the central area and also explore the wide left. i will pick herrera and young behind him. these two players should provide the most working rate in midfield with our current players available. keep blind in deep and leave the width to the two wide defenders to overlap. considering the possibility of schurrle to play on our left, i will pick a bigger defender to provide more muscle to counter. by playing rojo on the left can also give additional advantage that this allows us to switch to a 352/532 setup effectively even without any substiution. if falcao is not available i might choose mata to go partner with vanPersie. and i won't refuse the possibility that lvg shall give us a surprise by starting wilson.

    so here is my line up: deGea, rafael, jones, smalling, rojo, blind, young, herrera, diMaria, falcao, vanPersie

    subs: amos, blackett, fellaini, valencia, mata, januzaj, wilson
     
    I may just have a short memory but I can't remember looking forward to a match less than this. I honestly think we're gonna get battered.

    Really? Van Gaal's first "big game". It will be really interesting to see how he sets the team up. I can't wait.
     
    I really think our mistakes are coming from lack of concentration rather than our Defenders being shit, when we have so much possession they lose focus.

    This! I've been saying this for years. Some players aren't mentally strong and lacking tactical education. Like Evans, Smalling, Rafael, Valencia f.e.
     
    We've got several very good players who can play through the middle but Di Maria has been the only player for a few years now who's shown himself to be effective out wide.

    I don't think I could stomach having both Yound and Valencia playing together when we'd have the likes of Herera and Mata making way to accomodate the two of them...

    No kidding. Ashley Young belongs nowhere near the starting 11.
     
    In our last game against WBA, for the first time in a long time, we played with confidence and no fear. We laid siege to their goal and pummeled them with shots until the whistle. Is that the sort of confidence you are referring to?
    I forgot to mention how we played towards the end of the WBA game. You're right, this is partly what I'm referring to. However, I'd rather we have that mindset from the beginning of the match. No starting slowly and letting the opposition think they have a chance. Just go for the kill and be clinical about it.
     
    Lmao I like McNair but he would get eaten alive by hazard, Costa (or if he's injured Drogba)
    And you think Smalling won't be eaten alive by them? At least McNair doesn't look like he's suffering from a severe lack of confidence and devoid of any decision-making skills - which is precisely what Smalling looks like at the moment.
     
    Hard to feel confident, looking back on our previous games this season, and what Chelsea have done so far.

    Unless LvG decides to do something different this time with players setup, it is logical to think Chelsea is the favorite.
     
    predicting a nice 2-1 win. Lots of passion, foght and desire. Backs-to-the-wall moments but we will eventually come out ontop.

    DDG
    Raf
    Jones
    Rojo
    Shaw

    Blind
    Herrera
    Fellaini
    Di Maria
    Mata

    RVP

    I like to think that this midfield gives us a bit of everything!
     
    From a stage of confidence i moved to a stage of nervousness and now i am on stage of why the feck hasnt it started.
     
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Possession
52% 48%
Shots
19 9
Shots on Target
7 4
Corners
4 7
Fouls
13 14

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