I dont watch barcelona, well not this season. What has happen to ansu fati? Have the knee injuries permantely affected him or is he still trying working his way back to pre-injury ansu?
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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The knee is perfect and the physical tests well but apparently he has lost confidence and explosiveness.
Right now it is unknown how he will evolve.
I read that they recommended another operation and that he/his father refuses. If it is because of confidence he has really lost a lot because he looks like another player.
Yes, doctors recommended removing part of the meniscus but the player/parent preferred conservative treatment
Two years later the player lost explosiveness and a lot of confidence.
I thought that they refused the hamstring operation? Regardless its a shame if we dont see him reach his potential.
Barcelona are a disaster and I'm surprised people are starting to change their minds just because they've had a good half season (and might win the league).
Even if they win the league who cares? They have won 26 league titles in their history -- does the world suddenly change because they have won 27? If you are a non-elite club like Leicester City or Tottenham then sure, winning a title is a generation-defining event and the fans who witness the success will talk about it for decades. If Leicester got relegated next season then the fans who watched them win the title will still brag about the title forever, and tell their grandkids about it. But if Barcelona win another title then so what? Every Barca fan has seen them win numerous titles already, its just not a huge deal. Yeah it sucks that they've spend the last 5 years lagging behind Madrid but that's just life.
The basic fact remains that they have mortgaged their future just to win the league this year, and its not obvious how having one (or two, or three) extra titles is going to increase their revenue to make the short term borrowing worthwhile. The title they win this year is likely to come at the cost of making them less competitive in 10 years time. It still seems like sheer short-term folly by a president who is desperate for approval, and nothing changes whatever trophies they might happen to win in 2023.
It Is true that a short term period of success can fundamentally change the direction of a club, but this can only happen during a unique period where "the world watches the club" and a new generation of fans gets permanently addicted to them. Barcelona kind of had this with Ronaldinho -- before him, they weren't really considered a prestigious club, but he was just so, so good and watchable that people started tuning into Barcelona games, and many of those fans stuck around (R9 was kind of similar I guess, but not to the same degree). But that really isn't the case just now -- young 16 year old kids just aren't tuning in to watch Gavi and Lewandoski in the same way that I tuned in spellbound to watch Barcelona back in the 1990s FatRonaldo days, or the way that Ronaldinho was watched in the early 2000s. Barcelona might win the title but they aren't a club that "you have to watch" like they were with R9/Dinho/Messi -- they are just a typical "normal" club winning a title. Pedri and Gavi just aren't "cool"/special enough to win them a new generation of fans, even if they do win the league. Ironically, Neymar might arguably have done this If they managed to keep him.
Even if they win the league who cares? They have won 26 league titles in their history -- does the world suddenly change because they have won 27? If you are a non-elite club like Leicester City or Tottenham then sure, winning a title is a generation-defining event and the fans who witness the success will talk about it for decades. If Leicester got relegated next season then the fans who watched them win the title will still brag about the title forever, and tell their grandkids about it. But if Barcelona win another title then so what? Every Barca fan has seen them win numerous titles already, its just not a huge deal. Yeah it sucks that they've spend the last 5 years lagging behind Madrid but that's just life.
The basic fact remains that they have mortgaged their future just to win the league this year, and its not obvious how having one (or two, or three) extra titles is going to increase their revenue to make the short term borrowing worthwhile. The title they win this year is likely to come at the cost of making them less competitive in 10 years time. It still seems like sheer short-term folly by a president who is desperate for approval, and nothing changes whatever trophies they might happen to win in 2023.
It Is true that a short term period of success can fundamentally change the direction of a club, but this can only happen during a unique period where "the world watches the club" and a new generation of fans gets permanently addicted to them. Barcelona kind of had this with Ronaldinho -- before him, they weren't really considered a prestigious club, but he was just so, so good and watchable that people started tuning into Barcelona games, and many of those fans stuck around (R9 was kind of similar I guess, but not to the same degree). But that really isn't the case just now -- young 16 year old kids just aren't tuning in to watch Gavi and Lewandoski in the same way that I tuned in spellbound to watch Barcelona back in the 1990s FatRonaldo days, or the way that Ronaldinho was watched in the early 2000s. Barcelona might win the title but they aren't a club that "you have to watch" like they were with R9/Dinho/Messi -- they are just a typical "normal" club winning a title. Pedri and Gavi just aren't "cool"/special enough to win them a new generation of fans, even if they do win the league. Ironically, Neymar might arguably have done this If they managed to keep him.
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LaLiga told the club they can invest €5m in this window. 40% of the Memphis sale and the saved money of Pique's retirement. Maybe a bit more if Bellerin moves to Sporting.
Umtiti also preferred a conservative treatment if I remember correctly. Well, keep listening to the father instead of professionals. Moriba also listened to his father and now his career is in shambles. Sometimes, close relatives are your biggest enemy, if they persuade you on a topic they know nothing about.
Today in Mundo Deportivo they said that there was almost €10M of salary margin.
Let's see what happens.
The previous board of Barcelona FC nearly bankrupted them, and absolutely would have had it not been for the colossal oversight thats been done since Laporta took over. Bartomeu and whoever enabled the fiscal butchering of the club should face criminal charges for negligence.
If I start here its going to become an essay in the middle of a busy workday, but in short you wrote the answer to your own complaint. Barcelona without Messi is a Barcelona without indentity. But winning La Liga with Xavi at the helm is a very, very good start.
I hope for footballs sake that Barcelona convinces Messi to come home.
Which identity are you talking about? The political one against Franco's regime, the focus on La-Masia or Cruyff's Total Football? All three started long before Messi and they will continue long after him.
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Tebas having a bad day. The club won against him in the courtroom and can register Gavi.
If the league management is corrupt, you need to take them to court. Keep changing ffp rules on weekly basis is nothing but a pathetic attempt from Tebas and his zealots.
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Im talking about Barcelona in popular culture over the past two decades which is largely represented by Messi, and in smaller parts "tiki taka" to the football fans who are interested in the game outside of just watching to be entertained.
The old guard are all gone now. Only Sergio Busquets is left of the old greats, and Sergo Roberto and Jordi Alba from the later introductions. Xavi is at the helm, its a entirely new generation of Barcelona that currently lacks that one world star that outshines absolutely everyone.
And quotes like this are why so much of the footballing world can't stand Barcelona.
I like a good football romance. CR7 back to Manchester, Messi winning the world cup, Iceland and their unlikely success, Andy Carrol not making it home in time when he really had to go number two
Now that's a narrative we can all get behind! Though not too closely behind, just in case...
A successful phase comes and goes, as do success fans. This has nothing to do with our identity. Those are completely different topics.
edit: LaLiga appeals the court's decision today. They are absolutely shameless. Let's hope it fails.
edit2: Finally it's done, otherwise he could have left in summer for free, although I doubt he would have done it. He'll get the No. 6 jersey. I hope it motivates him even more now. Pedri 8 and Gavi 6
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A successful phase comes and goes, as do success fans. This has nothing to do with our identity. Those are completely different topics.
edit: LaLiga appeals the court's decision today. They are absolutely shameless. Let's hope it fails.
edit2: Finally it's done, otherwise he could have left in summer for free, although I doubt he would have done it. He'll get the No. 6 jersey. I hope it motivates him even more now. Pedri 8 and Gavi 6
LaLiga acknowledges that Barcelona now has FFP to register Gavi, but not next year. That's why they don't let Barcelona register it.
Tebas does not know what to do to torpedo Barcelona day after day.
Today the newspaper Sport says that Barcelona wants to sign Vitor Roque for this summer.
17-year-old centre forward who is at a high level in the Brazilian under-20 team and Paraenense.
The price would be about €35M approximately.
Yeah I know. They changed the rule mid season without any consultation or forewarning and the funny or sad part, depends on how you look at it, is that to my knowledge only one player so far is affected by it and that is Gavi. If that is not a clear agenda against Barcelona, I don't know what is.
And it's even more pathetic, that LaLiga doesn't have any budget from Barcelona for next season yet, so they just estimate it. They estimate Barca's income next season and based on that, they want to deny Gavi's registration.
We should just for fun request to join League 1 and then I want to see Tebas's face, when he realizes that without us, LaLiga becomes the same boring one horse league as the bundesliga nobody wants to watch. Then he will beg barca on his knees to return.
In the summer, we'll be back on the 1:4 ffp rule again since we're about to lose around €100m for playing 1 and a half year in a smaller stadium. For every new € we want to spend, we need to free up 4 first. So it will be very difficult to sign players with fees. The focus will be on free agents as we did with Christensen and Kessie.
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Now it is 40%. It gives a little more economic margin.
From July 1, clubs like Barca that exceed the limit will only be able to spend 40 percent of the money previously saved.
- Free agent can be Iñigo Martínez.
- Abde and Nico González will return from loans.
- A right-back will be signed, predictably Foyth.
- And maybe Vitor Roque y Carrasco.
- And it remains to know what will happen with Busquets. Renewal with salary cut or he will leave.
Yeah Busquets will free up quite a bit of Masa Salarial for sure. Either he leaves or he extends for one more year with a pay cut. Giving his last performances and our financial situation, it would be good if he'd stay for one more year. But he has bigger offers for less football stress. So it depends on what he personally wants. To chill more and make some money, or play one more year competitivly. Barca needs to pay him like €40m this season for his deffered payments. So this will ease the Masa Salarial considerably next season.
The summer transfers will also depend on Dest and Lenglet. Both weigh heavily on our Masa Salarial. Lenglet has still a Bartomeu contract, which is rising for every new season. He'll earn like €15m gross next season if he returns if I'm not wrong. And Dest's amortization + contract also adds like €10m+ yearly on the Masa Salarial. So it would be perfect, if we could sell both players, but it won't be easy. Dest is playing badly in Milan from what I observe and Lenglet is also not playing on a level where clubs will want to pay a €15m salary without hesitation.
Just another example of Bartomeu's heritage
I'm pretty sure by now that he was a Madrid agent, placed to destroy the club from within.
Summary of the appearance of Laporta, Alemany and Romeu.
Wage bill
- We have inherited a completely skyrocketing wage bill that cannot be fixed in a season. With bonuses, renewals and deferred salaries. There was an excess of about 350 million.
- "Next year Griezmann and Gerard Piqué had a contract, this is 90 million euros less than the cost of the squad"
- "I will never stop praising the work of Mateu Alemany and the football management. We made the levers to have a competitive team. In the summer we will reduce the salary mass by 170 million. Since we entered we have bought for a value of 215 and sold for 141 "said President Laporta.
- Mateu Alemany, football director: "The forecast is that this coming summer we will have reasonable figures within the official Fair Play parameters"
- "If we reach 400-480 million of salary mass it would be 60% of income, which would be reasonable figures. We don't want to get rid of important players, but we have to lower the mass with less important players.
- "In real adjusted, committed cost, we were before 655 million and I estimate that in July of this year, without adjustments and without signings, but with the renewals that you already know about and some more that will take place, we will be more or less at 450 or 470 million wage bill", Mateu confessed. We are talking about a drastic reduction, of almost 200 million at once, which is hard to believe.
Wage bill
- We have inherited a completely skyrocketing wage bill that cannot be fixed in a season. With bonuses, renewals and deferred salaries. There was an excess of about 350 million.
- "Next year Griezmann and Gerard Piqué had a contract, this is 90 million euros less than the cost of the squad"
- "I will never stop praising the work of Mateu Alemany and the football management. We made the levers to have a competitive team. In the summer we will reduce the salary mass by 170 million. Since we entered we have bought for a value of 215 and sold for 141 "said President Laporta.
- Mateu Alemany, football director: "The forecast is that this coming summer we will have reasonable figures within the official Fair Play parameters"
- "If we reach 400-480 million of salary mass it would be 60% of income, which would be reasonable figures. We don't want to get rid of important players, but we have to lower the mass with less important players.
- "In real adjusted, committed cost, we were before 655 million and I estimate that in July of this year, without adjustments and without signings, but with the renewals that you already know about and some more that will take place, we will be more or less at 450 or 470 million wage bill", Mateu confessed. We are talking about a drastic reduction, of almost 200 million at once, which is hard to believe.
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Just another example of Bartomeu's heritage
I'm pretty sure by now that he was a Madrid agent, placed to destroy the club from within.
Woodward worked for the award of worst CEO so long and hard. It's extremely rude that Bartomeu took it away from him.
Commercial area
- "We have done a very important job from the commercial area. Record sponsorships are being achieved. Also records in ticketing, in attendance at the Palau, Camp Nou or Johan. Also records in sale of shirts, an indicator that the economy recovers. When it comes to networks, we are number 1 in interactions. We will continue to make courageous decisions to find a balance of assets. We will continue on that path"
Works Espai Barca
- Today we can already say that we are finalizing the financing structure. It will be before March 31. Together with the signing with Limak, he will start the works of the new Spotify Camp Nou. But finally, Barça will have the best stadium in the world and that will give us the capacity to generate much more income. It is very important for the immediate present and for the future. The rating company has given us a 'triple b plus' rating, which indicates that financial health is improving.
- Last Friday we received the good news that the Espai Barça project has been classified as 'green bonus', which gives us access to get more investors, green bonds. Regarding the current situation of the club, the digital transformation will allow us to improve the way of working, increase income. It will be done thanks to technology, but the most important element is the people who are part of the club. The Espai Barça is key to continuing to be pioneers and taking the lead in the sports industry. New ticketing system, the e-ticket and the e-subscription. Sports management systems and tactical analysis.
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- "We have done a very important job from the commercial area. Record sponsorships are being achieved. Also records in ticketing, in attendance at the Palau, Camp Nou or Johan. Also records in sale of shirts, an indicator that the economy recovers. When it comes to networks, we are number 1 in interactions. We will continue to make courageous decisions to find a balance of assets. We will continue on that path"
Works Espai Barca
- Today we can already say that we are finalizing the financing structure. It will be before March 31. Together with the signing with Limak, he will start the works of the new Spotify Camp Nou. But finally, Barça will have the best stadium in the world and that will give us the capacity to generate much more income. It is very important for the immediate present and for the future. The rating company has given us a 'triple b plus' rating, which indicates that financial health is improving.
- Last Friday we received the good news that the Espai Barça project has been classified as 'green bonus', which gives us access to get more investors, green bonds. Regarding the current situation of the club, the digital transformation will allow us to improve the way of working, increase income. It will be done thanks to technology, but the most important element is the people who are part of the club. The Espai Barça is key to continuing to be pioneers and taking the lead in the sports industry. New ticketing system, the e-ticket and the e-subscription. Sports management systems and tactical analysis.
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Just another example of Bartomeu's heritage
I'm pretty sure by now that he was a Madrid agent, placed to destroy the club from within.
And was approved with exactly the same process as Laporta, right?
The Mossos provide evidence of Bartomeu's payment to journalists. Two journalists and one of them is the author of the article you have put with biased information about Laporta.
A report of the Mossos added to the summary of the 'Barçagate' determines that "some journalists received money from the club itself by order of Bartomeu".
The Mossos say that they came to "falsify invoices to divert money to the journalists chosen by Bartomeu".
In addition, the report provides conversations found in the technological devices of those investigated in the 'Barçagate' case in which journalists, according to the Mossos, "recognize defending the interests of Bartomeu and attacking rivals such as Joan Laporta (the current president) and Víctor Font (candidate in the last elections)".
These conversations take place between journalists Marçal Lorente and Albert Lesán, former President Bartomeu and Jaume Masferrer, his right-hand man. Bartomeu and Masferrer are two of those investigated for possible unfair administration and corruption between individuals in the 'Barçagate'.
So... I'd be curious to know the take of spanish speakers here but apparently Barcelona paid 1.4 millions over 3 years to the Liga's vice president of referees :
Surely Niemans will be here in any moment with a 5 paragraph treatise on why this is all very standard practice and well within all legal Spanish norms. Nothing to see.
Effectively. And all the paragraphs with links and information and after that nobody answered, simply because people were left without arguments. And look, I'm open to debates with information but then they all disappeared. How curious!!
And then what I argued happened.
- Barcelona could not sign in 2021 and signed.
- Barcelona could not sign in 2022 and signed.
- Barcelona was obliged to sell to FDJ and obviously was not obliged.
- Barcelona would accept €60M for FDJ and I already said that for less than €80M it was impossible. In the end the alleged deal was over €85M.
- And more.
Here I put information so that people do not swallow fake news. Because then when the opposite happens people are surprised: “ but, but, but if that wasn't the case... but, but... "
And after the surprise people start with conspiracy theories, and all by swallowing fake news.
The truth is more fun to let people swallow these things but there are also people who want to be interested in the truth or another point of view.
Somewhere I think they said the payments started in 2003. At the moment there is hardly any information
Good to hear. He was treated really unfairly by Chelsea fans online. I always believed in him and the level he reached under Tuchel's coaching was incredible. Glad to hear you guys are happy with him. Long may it continue.
He's playing very, very well. He has won over the locker room because he is a calm and mature person.
In Barcelona at the moment very happy with their performance.
What it says in the technical report of the Tax Agency: the confession of Enríquez Negreira.
José María Enríquez Negreira testified before the Tax Agency and the report that has been revealed reflects the following: "As Mr. Enríquez Negreira told the Inspectorate, FCB paid him, through DASNIL 95 SL, for technical advice, because FCB wanted to ensure that no arbitration decisions were made against him, that is, "that everything was neutral."
Enríquez Negreira did not provide any document proving that he provided a service to Barça. He assured that there is no documentation because his job was to verbally advise the club, etc. on how the players should behave in front of each referee.
From the previous Barcelona board of directors, it is stated that this contract was inherited from 2009 (the first era of Laporta) and it was Bartomeu who terminated it in 2018, the year that coincides with the date on which Enríquez Negreira left his post on the Arbitration Commission. The club has already made an official statement in this regard.
Barcelona statement on this information.
1.- That FC Barcelona hired the services of an external technical consultant in the past, who supplied, in video format, technical reports referring to lower-category players in Spain for the Club's technical secretariat.
2.- Additionally, the relationship with the external provider itself was extended with technical reports related to professional arbitration in order to complement the information required by the coaching staff of the first team and the subsidiary, a common practice in professional football clubs.
3.- Currently, this type of outsourced services falls to a professional assigned to the football Area.
4.- FC Barcelona regrets that this information appears precisely at the best sporting moment of this season.
5.- FC Barcelona will take legal action against anyone who spoils the Club's image with possible insinuations against the entity's reputation that may arise as a result of this information.
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What’s dodgy as feck is that this wasn’t documented, there’s nothing to say there was any business between them to justify the money but a verbal agreement
What’s dodgy as feck is that this wasn’t documented, there’s nothing to say there was any business between them to justify the money but a verbal agreement
Isn't the line of people about to get sued by Barca getting a bit long at this point?
We've already started with fake news...
" At the time, he was a La Liga referee and vice president of Spain's Technical Committee of Referees".
No. José María Enríquez Negreira was a professional referee between 1975 and 1992. So he wasn't a referee at the time.
He corrected himself further down
It is simply so that no insinuations are made as past times.
When Alcalá said on Cadena Cope that the Barcelona players were doping. There were complaints and trial and Alcalá said it was a rumor and I don't know what and apologized. In the end there were leaks that this information came from Florentino Pérez to destabilize.
You just have to see the corrupt journalist from La Sexta, one of the most famous in Spain and former director of communication for Real Madrid with Florentino Pérez talking about Villarato.
Crooked cnuts.
Possibly. Or it's yet another case of Barca board threatening spurious lawsuits to limit negative coverage and doing nothing in the end.
It's not surprising, this graph depicts the frequency of red cards during the presidency of Villar:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyPVsuAUYAA14W9?format=jpg&name=small
Barcelona plays under different rules in the Spanish league due to the corrupt nature of referees, if you play at your highest level, you should be able to defeat your opponents without much difficulty.
Their midfield is physically weak when pushed to the limit in high-paced elite matches. This was evident in the World Cup with Spain, where Busquets and Pedri lasted only around 40-60 minutes.
Their real threats are Dembele with his dribbling skills and Lewandowski, who is one of the best strikers in the world.